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AlbertCat

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188. Context

Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:40 PM

Jan 2015

Context makes a difference.

What do these terms actually mean? They refer to a black person who cow tows to white handlers. If you call Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom, it's a generalized but not completely inappropriate description. It's obviously meant to hurt.... because of its racist leanings.... but I'm not so sure the user MUST be a racist. Calling Michelle Obama an Aunt Jemima is indeed MORE racists because that doesn't describe her behavior at all, unlike Clarence Thomas.

The terms are meant to hurt and be controversial, and therefore are not very PC. But assuming anyone who uses them for any reason is a total racist is...well.... kinda racist.

But, pointing out the complexities of such terms and their use, I know, upsets the "I'm outraged....see how cool I am" apple cart and gives the PC police a great opportunity to play armchair psychologist.

Still.... they are terms meant to hurt and are, of course, racist in origin. We all knew that.... including the people using such terms.

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Calling folks Uncle Toms, House Negroes, Aunt Jemima's and other similar terminology is racist. [View all] bravenak Jan 2015 OP

That would be disgusting for anyone to use those terms about anyone, no matter their Autumn Jan 2015 #1

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #3

I think if it has to be explained that Autumn Jan 2015 #7

Probably. bravenak Jan 2015 #18

I wonder liberalmike27 Jan 2015 #197

A selfish asshole? bravenak Jan 2015 #200

Well put. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #226

If you have to explain it Aerows Jan 2015 #320

I feel like I have to try. bravenak Jan 2015 #322

Please continue to do so Aerows Jan 2015 #323

I'll give it a shot. bravenak Jan 2015 #324

I believe I know which thread you are referring to Aerows Jan 2015 #326

By "pointing out", do you mean using those terms mentioned in the OP?? 7962 Jan 2015 #413

Agreed. Enthusiastically! WillowTree Jan 2015 #2

Awesome. bravenak Jan 2015 #4

It's pretty disgusting that you HappyMe Jan 2015 #5

I have a prolific DUer that does not agree yet. bravenak Jan 2015 #6

*sigh!* HappyMe Jan 2015 #10

Perhaps this is a window to that soul ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #72

That's uncalled for. pintobean Jan 2015 #93

I have no idea whom this OP is referring to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #133

1SBM made a suggestion, not a statement of fact. Your response is what's uncalled for. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #141

I hope to hell not! bravenak Jan 2015 #99

Sounds like this friend of my late mom's. calimary Jan 2015 #182

Perhaps you should alert the next time you see the post, you should alert on it. mimi85 Jan 2015 #94

It had already survived. bravenak Jan 2015 #101

Is this possibly one you may be speaking of? 7962 Jan 2015 #416

Wow, no, it was somebody else and it was settled earlier. bravenak Jan 2015 #418

Preachin to the choir! I missed the Love thread; I'll look it up. 7962 Jan 2015 #420

I also do not wish people dead. bravenak Jan 2015 #422

Totally agree. pintobean Jan 2015 #8

I don't like that one either. bravenak Jan 2015 #11

I was on that jury. I think that context matters - and the context in that case el_bryanto Jan 2015 #17

George Carlin understood that well. Lucky Luciano Jan 2015 #242

Nods - and I think that was the intention of the poster. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #275

I know George Carlin is some DU God (I know practically nothing about him) but the idea that Number23 Jan 2015 #353

I don't know the bit so can't comment either el_bryanto Jan 2015 #366

I agree to an extent. But it is possible for people to point out the flaws in our society without Number23 Jan 2015 #367

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That sucks. bravenak Jan 2015 #14

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I remember that. bravenak Jan 2015 #421

YOU should run for office! 7962 Jan 2015 #436

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Now you made ME laugh. :) nt 7962 Jan 2015 #448

Exactly hibbing Jan 2015 #171

Yup. They're all racist terms. MineralMan Jan 2015 #12

Do a DU search for Condi Rice or Clarence Thomas pipoman Jan 2015 #20

I know. I've seen those terms used on DU. MineralMan Jan 2015 #45

+100 n/t ChazII Jan 2015 #65

Can black liberals use those terms of black conservatives? treestar Jan 2015 #13

I don't like it. bravenak Jan 2015 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #131

Nope. bravenak Jan 2015 #134

I know the majority here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #92

You are right. treestar Jan 2015 #306

Can they? Of course, just like while liberals can. There is no law against it. Should they, or, kelly1mm Jan 2015 #96

True. It just seems odd you can end up treestar Jan 2015 #308

I wouldn't use any language for black conservatives that I couldn't use for white ones MrScorpio Jan 2015 #205

Thanks for answering. treestar Jan 2015 #311

They can but it is still racist. Instead of attacking the behavior or hypocrisy still_one Jan 2015 #277

Anyone *can* use them; it's just that it's wrong to do so. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #289

It's counterproductive. Ink Man Jan 2015 #16

I was thinking the same thing. bravenak Jan 2015 #19

It is all part of the 'otherization' process. But when 'we' do it it is for good reasons, or so I kelly1mm Jan 2015 #100

I disagree. Calling Clarence Thomas or Ben Carson an oreo is not racist in my opinion. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #21

Yes. It is. bravenak Jan 2015 #26

What's the epithet for "white on the outside, black on the inside?" Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #37

I love your answer, and I'd add to Herverpa... ellenrr Jan 2015 #49

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I call him jag-off. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #281

lol not the best example! treestar Jan 2015 #315

There isn't one? Roy Rolling Jan 2015 #85

See post 142. n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #156

Actually there IS a word for that tkmorris Jan 2015 #87

If you're thinking of the word 1SBM used, it's hardly equivalent as an insult Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #124

Yes there is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #98

... Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #119

Uhhhh... RobinA Jan 2015 #128

No, there isn't. Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #142

I hadn't heard that word used until recently. treestar Jan 2015 #317

So, do you think a black person cannot philosophically be a conservative? TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #60

Many, if not the majority, of Blacks are conservative, and there's absolutely nothing wrong BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #158

It is - that and zebra JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #74

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I'm with you brother! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #388

Haha! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #407

Feel free! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #434

My mother was a teacher BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #454

Why do you need a label to say that? Why the need for constant 'otherization'? nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #104

Nothing wrong with labels in my opinion when they apply. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #125

If others are offended by the labels you use then perhaps you should rethink using them. kelly1mm Jan 2015 #146

If others are offended, so be it. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #204

Thank you for the kind words. You are free to use whatever words you wish in my book! And if kelly1mm Jan 2015 #217

See Post 200. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #228

No I don't of course. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #236

You seem to want to pick and choose whose ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #254

Because you say you represent African-American thought does not mean that you do. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #284

You doubt it because ...? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #286

I doubt it because the voices on DU in general are much more liberal than voices nationwide overall HERVEPA Jan 2015 #290

One more point, then you can be done ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #293

I can be done when I say I can be done, actually. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #302

Very true ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #304

Condescending. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #310

Sorry, .... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #318

Could you explain the 2nd para, please? delrem Jan 2015 #282

+1 ... That about sums it up. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #288

In which case, call them hypocrites, the other terms are saying they are not "black enough" which uppityperson Jan 2015 #301

+ ellenrr Jan 2015 #347

"it's not racist" you say and then go on to prove 100% how it ABSOLUTELY IS Number23 Jan 2015 #354

Clarence Thomas is more of a Uncle Rukus" c588415 Jan 2015 #390

"doing white peoples bidding"? Thats YOUR opinion. To then denigrate them is NOT. 7962 Jan 2015 #435

Didn't he separate conjoined twins? bravenak Jan 2015 #449

Yes, thats what made him famous at a young age. here's a bio: 7962 Jan 2015 #450

Yes it is. Marrah_G Jan 2015 #439

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Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #27

No, not always. Because "It's the 21st Century, but the house Negro is still here." jtuck004 Jan 2015 #23

Malcolm is dead. bravenak Jan 2015 #25

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This in a nutshell. malokvale77 Jan 2015 #385

I found it. Well some of it. bravenak Jan 2015 #31

malcolm is talking about the white liberal leadership there. and citing him NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #61

I don't have to agree with everything. bravenak Jan 2015 #63

No, you don't. Neither do others. And I guess malcolm x was also black history in motion. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #67

He definitely was. bravenak Jan 2015 #70

He does not in any way specify that he is talking about white liberal leadership Number23 Jan 2015 #363

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His point was that many civil rights leaders were beholden to white liberals because they pretended Number23 Jan 2015 #389

While you are right about the issue being about power... blackspade Jan 2015 #109

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He had an incomplete understanding of the dynamics of slavery in the big house BainsBane Jan 2015 #319

Thats the most ridiculous analogy I've seen. 7962 Jan 2015 #437

Well, perhaps your experience is as limited as your vision. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #451

If you say it's racist, that's good enough for me. nt Bonobo Jan 2015 #28

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #32

i'm surprised to see such agreement about this Enrique Jan 2015 #29

I'm glad to see agreement. bravenak Jan 2015 #34

You've got it twisted Hutzpa Jan 2015 #30

Oh, please! bravenak Jan 2015 #33

Absolutely loyalsister Jan 2015 #36

For real. bravenak Jan 2015 #38

+ ellenrr Jan 2015 #51

No kidding. I'm not sure that any Dem, Progressive or person with a conscience would find any R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #39

Thank you Daneel. bravenak Jan 2015 #41

Very true. It's also wrong to refer to Sen. Graham as "Miss Lindsey" and the like. QC Jan 2015 #40

I hate that!!! bravenak Jan 2015 #42

I hate that too JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #244

Thanks! And it's got nothing to do with Lindsey Graham, QC Jan 2015 #296

That ain't right. The name calling that is... Blanks Jan 2015 #43

That Gomerard?(spelling) man who wants speaker of the house was the one who wanted West speaker. Sunlei Jan 2015 #48

Allen West is the biggest jerk in the universe. bravenak Jan 2015 #50

I think President Obama got called some of those and worse by political 'leadership'. Sunlei Jan 2015 #44

I Agree 1step Jan 2015 #46

I hate him too. bravenak Jan 2015 #47

But you would presumably denounce the use of those names for him muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #106

Of course. bravenak Jan 2015 #107

Please insert the Sarcasm or laughing thingy. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #108

But Why? 1step Jan 2015 #111

Is "poor widdle white men" racist? upaloopa Jan 2015 #52

What does this have to do with the op? bravenak Jan 2015 #55

Can't I ask a question? upaloopa Jan 2015 #71

Any time. bravenak Jan 2015 #80

Ill-advised, and, possibly, bigoted; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #105

Well thanks but I am confused now. upaloopa Jan 2015 #112

I don't understand. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #152

Only Whites RobinA Jan 2015 #161

To avoid that I just use bigoted instead for both 'racist' and 'bigoted' actions. Kind of one of kelly1mm Jan 2015 #185

Bingo ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #234

Sarcastic or not ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #230

Who gets to make the rules? upaloopa Jan 2015 #238

Daniel Webster is dead. bravenak Jan 2015 #243

Yes but we don't get to go to some Internet upaloopa Jan 2015 #251

I can. bravenak Jan 2015 #252

Not for me you can't and many others upaloopa Jan 2015 #261

I'll be around for a while deciding things. bravenak Jan 2015 #263

I am sure you will. upaloopa Jan 2015 #268

Yes I am. bravenak Jan 2015 #270

For you upaloopa Jan 2015 #305

I definately am my own decider. bravenak Jan 2015 #316

Nobody but you has said that. delrem Jan 2015 #299

Except that bigotry also is tied to institutional and cultural power, your claim that bigotry is not Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #245

Agreed; but, the bigotry you mention ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #273

I have thought that bigotry can be against any number of group of people sharing a uppityperson Jan 2015 #312

The very concept of Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #215

Please explain upaloopa Jan 2015 #232

Yes. Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #239

We can use this terminology because we're better...and right. ileus Jan 2015 #53

It's only racist if your a republican. bravenak Jan 2015 #56

the ignorance surrounding race relations on this board continually astounds me. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #54

Me too.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #57

It's not ignorance ... It's Arrogance. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #110

*sigh* true enough. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #122

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #150

also true .. however ... "deliberately obtuse" does better with regards to DU3 juries Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #154

Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #163

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Jan 2015 #135

It's NOT ignorance.....it is deliberate tone deafness. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #175

that works too. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #181

I'm glad you said it. Throd Jan 2015 #58

I agree. bravenak Jan 2015 #73

I think another layer of the racism lies in the implicit assumption Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #59

I never really even thought about it like that, but You're right. bravenak Jan 2015 #76

I agree with you fully, I saw that thread when it was new. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #62

Hell yeah! bravenak Jan 2015 #66

It's also politically stupid, but I think most who use such terms 'ironically' do so just to use the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #102

Trying to fit in, then. bravenak Jan 2015 #103

I agree absolutely. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #64

Thanks. I appreciate that. bravenak Jan 2015 #78

I've seen words tossed around here that were last used (I thought) 50 years ago. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #91

I know, right? bravenak Jan 2015 #95

That you even had to say it azurnoir Jan 2015 #68

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #174

+1,000,000 ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #69

I am a huge fan of Mark Thompson or Matsimela Mapfumo of Sirius left radio... randys1 Jan 2015 #75

I'll check him out. bravenak Jan 2015 #84

He is a preacher, Christian and in his early 40's...NYC... randys1 Jan 2015 #89

Oh, no!!!! bravenak Jan 2015 #97

On his show he literally never preaches and only talks religion if someone randys1 Jan 2015 #138

Ok. You brought me back into the fold. bravenak Jan 2015 #145

When I had XM, I used to listen to Matsimela Mapfumo whenever possible. Zorra Jan 2015 #266

So, is it racist (or sexist) for me to say "A black person (or woman) voting for a Republican is kath Jan 2015 #77

What do you think? bravenak Jan 2015 #83

See: "I use this quote a lot, and really think it is true." ieoeja Jan 2015 #164

Whatever. bravenak Jan 2015 #168

Anyone other than the top 10%. The Republicans represent the top 10%'s interests KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #193

I agree. bravenak Jan 2015 #202

but I *don't* clearly think the statement is not racist. kath Jan 2015 #334

True, they want ALL of us for dinner ( the 99%) kath Jan 2015 #329

Of course. bravenak Jan 2015 #331

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #118

That one's tricky - I have said "any poor (or low wage earner) voting ... haele Jan 2015 #153

I'm Hispanic and I've paraphrased that to say it about Hispanics to my Repub sister. Rozlee Jan 2015 #402

"They've experienced the worst of the worst in this country F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #455

Context is all. Orsino Jan 2015 #79

I can understand your position. bravenak Jan 2015 #88

No--context is not all. As a woman, I still don't want to see another woman referred to with msanthrope Jan 2015 #177

Context is still all... Orsino Jan 2015 #180

Correct HERVEPA Jan 2015 #292

Just calling them a Republican should be insult enough! blackspade Jan 2015 #81

For real, though. bravenak Jan 2015 #82

Derogatory terms based on race, gender, sexuality identity, or age are never acceptable. bluesbassman Jan 2015 #86

I agree. bravenak Jan 2015 #90

You might look at your own derogatory associations about "white people" Rilgin Jan 2015 #221

You really put a lot of though into that inane self serving crap. bravenak Jan 2015 #223

You are right, I did think about my post before I posted it Rilgin Jan 2015 #285

I use the word Black alot too. bravenak Jan 2015 #287

Yes Rilgin Jan 2015 #321

Maybe you should make an attempt to better understand the history then. bravenak Jan 2015 #327

Again yes Rilgin Jan 2015 #350

Take care. bravenak Jan 2015 #351

100% agree with you. tammywammy Jan 2015 #186

Of course calling names to insult based on skin color is racist. I wont, but have a question uppityperson Jan 2015 #113

If you would not use it on a person of another color, it is not ok. bravenak Jan 2015 #115

I take it personally gwheezie Jan 2015 #137

Me too. bravenak Jan 2015 #139

I am firmly in the describe behavior vs insult the person, group. people do act not in uppityperson Jan 2015 #165

I don't understand it either. bravenak Jan 2015 #169

I was wrong, about my question if it is a negative but accurate term ever. Hypocrite is uppityperson Jan 2015 #210

Thank you.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #212

Mighty generous of you towards Powell HERVEPA Jan 2015 #298

you got a lot out of my saying "condoms", didn't you? uppityperson Jan 2015 #314

labels handmade34 Jan 2015 #114

Agreed. bravenak Jan 2015 #120

exactly. nt uppityperson Jan 2015 #167

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #117

I hate Uncle Tom, ms Lindsey and redneck gwheezie Jan 2015 #121

The Ms. lindsay thing creeps me out. bravenak Jan 2015 #191

I don't like the things they say about Lindsey Graham rbrnmw Jan 2015 #203

Damn, that was Republicans doing that crap? bravenak Jan 2015 #207

Yep they even brought their kids rbrnmw Jan 2015 #211

Bundy ranch. bravenak Jan 2015 #213

The Miss Lindsey stuff is wrong because it implies there is something wrong with being gay. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #300

Language police Android3.14 Jan 2015 #123

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #127

But no actual argument? Android3.14 Jan 2015 #130

You have the PRIVILEGE to do so. bravenak Jan 2015 #136

What argument is required ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #144

Come on, don't you understand it is all the rest of us who need it explained to us? So we can be kelly1mm Jan 2015 #160

Amazing isn't it? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #166

Argue, continue to behave like a bully, do whatever Android3.14 Jan 2015 #342

Behave like a bully???? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #356

So when Malcolm X called Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom, Malcolm X was being racist Android3.14 Jan 2015 #357

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #362

Waaaahhhh! bravenak Jan 2015 #132

really? language police rbrnmw Jan 2015 #147

Everything is fascist now. bravenak Jan 2015 #155

yes because Hitler loved darker hued folks rbrnmw Jan 2015 #194

Oh. Are you bringing up factual historical data? bravenak Jan 2015 #201

oops sorry wouldn't want to offend the lurkers rbrnmw Jan 2015 #206

Not just the lurkers. bravenak Jan 2015 #208

Sure do and they know I know rbrnmw Jan 2015 #214

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One break Android3.14 Jan 2015 #343

Are you serious? "calling black people" an insult of their skin color is...not racist? uppityperson Jan 2015 #172

I didn't understand the last sentence of your post Android3.14 Jan 2015 #346

A race based insult is not racist? Wow. I'd quote Inigo Montoya but it's getting old. uppityperson Jan 2015 #348

is asking for an answer merely supporting your little Language Police Industrial Complex? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #178

It's a usage error. Consider the term "Benedict Arnold" Android3.14 Jan 2015 #218

Wait what ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #249

Hmmm Android3.14 Jan 2015 #333

Are you saying "uncle tom" does not have it's origins in racism or isn't racist? uppityperson Jan 2015 #345

Not getting into the efficacy of using Wiki as a source ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #360

I'm sure you're an expert on the use of the word "racism." gollygee Jan 2015 #231

But at least he/she is not being "Language Policey" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #250

Not an expert on racism, but I do make my living as a wordsmith Android3.14 Jan 2015 #335

My degree and work have also been in writing gollygee Jan 2015 #352

Because, after all, the only people who should comment are sociologists and anti-racism educators Android3.14 Jan 2015 #355

They are only people in a position of expertise about the word "racism." n/t gollygee Jan 2015 #361

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lolwut? nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #309

Yes, why not just call them "phoney-baloney hypocrites"? GoCubsGo Jan 2015 #126

Works for me!nt bravenak Jan 2015 #140

Happy to kick and rec this! zappaman Jan 2015 #129

Thanks!nt bravenak Jan 2015 #143

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I know, Sabrina. It's too much sometimes, I have to laugh a bit. bravenak Jan 2015 #151

It implies there are certain behavioral standards to maintain "blackness" Kurska Jan 2015 #157

It is bizarre. bravenak Jan 2015 #159

Nor can I dance ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #162

See! bravenak Jan 2015 #170

Well I can dance gwheezie Jan 2015 #183

Trapped in a Cuban Salsa dancer's body!! bravenak Jan 2015 #187

This last time gwheezie Jan 2015 #190

Omg, I'm dying over here! bravenak Jan 2015 #192

Lol lol lol gwheezie Jan 2015 #195

They are very sweet when they wanna be. bravenak Jan 2015 #198

No matter Kurska Jan 2015 #423

Thanks, man. bravenak Jan 2015 #424

No worries, I know you'd do the same for me. Kurska Jan 2015 #426

It is raw racism and I have seen the left use those terms. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #173

Not black enough, exactly. bravenak Jan 2015 #176

I've gotten 'not black like that' JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #246

They never explain it either. bravenak Jan 2015 #255

Agreed. La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #179

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #184

no idea why anyone is arguing this at all. its exactly why we shouldn't use sexist commentary La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #225

I wrote mean things in my copy of his Autobiography. bravenak Jan 2015 #240

+1 brer cat Jan 2015 #381

Context AlbertCat Jan 2015 #188

I'm just going to call it racist. bravenak Jan 2015 #196

Agreed... MrScorpio Jan 2015 #189

Panderers they are. bravenak Jan 2015 #199

Agreed. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #209

For those confusing and defending racist speech with the "free speech" argument ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #216

See post 218 Android3.14 Jan 2015 #219

Are you a person of color? ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #222

See my Post 249 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #258

Because, after all, there are only two options Android3.14 Jan 2015 #337

Eye rolling is a sign of contempt JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #392

Oh good gawd. Iggo Jan 2015 #220

Because??? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #260

why does bravenak's thread offend you? rbrnmw Jan 2015 #272

Who said I'm offended? Iggo Jan 2015 #313

sorry rbrnmw Jan 2015 #332

OK, you got it, I promise not to speak about race in 2015 so I don't risk offending anybody kickysnana Jan 2015 #224

Um. Ok. bravenak Jan 2015 #237

That is probably best ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #241

And saying that the problem is "old, white men" is ageist and racist. nichomachus Jan 2015 #227

When I say it I say 'old, conservstive, white men'. bravenak Jan 2015 #233

Why not just say "conservatives?" Unless less young and female conservatives are different? n/t nichomachus Jan 2015 #253

They are following the leader. bravenak Jan 2015 #256

Bullcrap. nichomachus Jan 2015 #259

He leaders are not men? bravenak Jan 2015 #262

when we were kids, my brother called my sister a negro kcass1954 Jan 2015 #229

Perfect. bravenak Jan 2015 #235

I think I love your mother! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #247

Curious, r "red neck" and "white trash" also racist? These are terms used to describe stupid white McCamy Taylor Jan 2015 #248

I think both terms are ignorant, bigoted, and unacceptable. bravenak Jan 2015 #265

It's a poor reflection on DU that this post is necessary. Scuba Jan 2015 #257

But, read the comments contained within ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #264

I think we get too comfortable thinking that only republicans can be wrong. bravenak Jan 2015 #267

We are weird, and perhaps our disdain for each other while being interdependent is the weirdest. Scuba Jan 2015 #269

Hell yeah. If we could move to different planets, some idiots would. bravenak Jan 2015 #271

Maybe that's what happened ... Scuba Jan 2015 #276

I agree, no matter who uses it, or what race they are. Words like hypocrite still_one Jan 2015 #274

Hypocrite fits perfectly. bravenak Jan 2015 #283

Whatever happened to disagreeing with someone without name calling? 6000eliot Jan 2015 #291

I don't know. bravenak Jan 2015 #294

Most people who use those terms don't even know what they mean BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #295

Thank you for Mr. impeached and prisoner number 2047. bravenak Jan 2015 #349

Thank you for this discussion BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #408

LOL! bravenak Jan 2015 #409

Agreed. I just call them fracking, smegging, gorram, nerf herding mud-bloods. jmondine Jan 2015 #297

As a general rule, insults are meant to be cruel. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #303

K&R n/t Feral Child Jan 2015 #307

White people ought not to be policing who's geek tragedy Jan 2015 #325

Perhaps the idea that there is a legitimate black person (or a legitimate female, white, asian, etc. kelly1mm Jan 2015 #338

Two interesting pieces on the Harry Belafonte flap back in 2002: kath Jan 2015 #328

We have been taught to use race to bash each other. bravenak Jan 2015 #330

I remember that rbrnmw Jan 2015 #336

You are absolutely right! Quackers Jan 2015 #339

I think so. bravenak Jan 2015 #344

Name-calling is bad but what the Republicans do is FAR FAR WORSE. nt valerief Jan 2015 #340

I don't want to be bad and point the finger at worse. That's all.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #341

I happen to agree with you rpannier Jan 2015 #364

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2015 #365

I'm coming into this thread late, Sissyk Jan 2015 #368

Thank you back! bravenak Jan 2015 #372

How is this not self-evident? I'm very sorry you find it necessary to point it out here on DU. scarletwoman Jan 2015 #370

A couple of weeks ago, I was too late to jury alert a comment Denzil_DC Jan 2015 #374

I think we are all smart enough to find creative descriptions. bravenak Jan 2015 #376

Wow TNNurse Jan 2015 #371

Absolutely Kalidurga Jan 2015 #373

Everything you just said plus 10. bravenak Jan 2015 #375

Yeah that is funny Kalidurga Jan 2015 #377

Yep. She's an evil entity like Cheney the Ghoul. bravenak Jan 2015 #378

lordy, bravenak. brer cat Jan 2015 #379

She always cuts straight to it. bravenak Jan 2015 #380

and it only gives right wankers even MORE ammo to shit on the left. doing so discredits more than alp227 Jan 2015 #382

I agree with that wholeheartedly. bravenak Jan 2015 #383

I had a black person explain to me what an Uncle Tom meant 4dsc Jan 2015 #386

Brilliant. bravenak Jan 2015 #387

Huge difference between Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #393

You can think however you please. bravenak Jan 2015 #394

We'll likely continue to disagree, but... CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #395

Have you read the book? bravenak Jan 2015 #397

Yes CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #398

Yes it was. bravenak Jan 2015 #400

I'm talking about the historical significance of the character CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #401

Who decided that? bravenak Jan 2015 #403

Black writers and activists CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #405

They took cues from what they saw. bravenak Jan 2015 #406

Here is a snip of th end plot where Uncke Tom gets beat to death allowing the other slaves to escape bravenak Jan 2015 #399

KnR Hekate Jan 2015 #404

bravenak ~ hopemountain Jan 2015 #410

I don't think so either. bravenak Jan 2015 #411

Like MANY people, I had to read it in school CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #415

well then, i question your comprehension hopemountain Jan 2015 #417

What are you even talking about? Do you know? CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #427

bravenak already explained it to you. hopemountain Jan 2015 #429

What the....what? CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #430

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I'm SO tired of the double standard. 7962 Jan 2015 #412

I think we should end the double standard. bravenak Jan 2015 #414

Oreo is another one to add to the list. blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #425

Yup.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #428

Bravenak, I KnR'd this ages ago. It's really quite the Rorschach Test by now, isn't it? Hekate Jan 2015 #431

I have been confused and amused. bravenak Jan 2015 #432

Anytime a comment is made, based on KMOD Jan 2015 #433

I agree Marrah_G Jan 2015 #438

Exactly! bravenak Jan 2015 #444

Of course. LWolf Jan 2015 #440

It's weird. bravenak Jan 2015 #442

As a black person I will use those terminology regardless of your race Farmbrook Jan 2015 #443

Do as you please. bravenak Jan 2015 #445

As a black person I will use those terminologies regardless of your race Farmbrook Jan 2015 #446

I'll clown you and make you look stupid. bravenak Jan 2015 #447

It's really crazy that you had to post this. DUers should know better. (nt) Inkfreak Jan 2015 #452

Yes, we should. bravenak Jan 2015 #453

Kick and R. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #456

True. bravenak Jan 2015 #458

Oh bullshit. Glassunion Jan 2015 #457

Well pardon me but that was 'fake' racism. bravenak Jan 2015 #459