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29. What you fail to realize is that I am not Zimmerman ...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:51 PM
Apr 2012

who is a aberration among those in Florida who have Concealed Weapons Permits. Currently over 800,000 Floridians currently have concealed carry licenses. Since 10/011987 when "shall issue" concealed carry became legal in Florida the state has issued a total of 2,167,283 carry permits.

During that 24 year + period of time, only 168 permits have been revoked due to the commission of a crime involving the use of a firearm after the license was issued. (source: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.pdf and http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_active.pdf)

Of course you can refuse to ignore the statistics which are typical of states that allow "shall issue" concealed carry such as Texas or you can chose to believe what the media tells you. The media will tell you that the Florida concealed weapons program and the stand your ground law has turned Florida into the "Wild West" with licensed vigilantes running around the streets with a license to kill.

I realize that it is far more fun to believe the media who has told you in the past that Glock pistols are made totally of plastic and can be used by criminals and terrorists to bypass X-ray machines.


The introduction of the Glock lead to incorrect reports by the media claiming that the polymer composition of the gun's frame would render it invisible to metal detectors and airport X-ray machines,[16] a belief which was also echoed in the movie Die Hard 2.[17] These incorrect portrayals of the Glock pistol exposed the gun to a great deal of publicity, invariably leading to an increase of sales.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock


You also would have got the impression that Teflon coated bullets are designed to penetrate the vest wore by police officers.


In 1982, NBC ran a television special on the bullets (against the requests of many police organizations) and argued that the bullets were a threat to police. Gun control organizations in the U.S. labeled Teflon-coated bullets "cop killers" because of the supposedly increased penetration the bullets offered against ballistic vests, a staple of the American police uniform. Many erroneously focused on the Teflon coating as the source of the bullets' supposedly increased penetration, rather than the hardness of the metals used. A common misconception, often perpetuated by films and television, is that coating normal bullets with Teflon will give them armor-piercing capabilities. In reality, Teflon and similar coatings were used primarily as a means to protect the gun barrel from the hardened bullet; the coating itself does not add any measurable armor-piercing abilities to otherwise normal ammunition.

The round in question could, in fact, penetrate a police vest. However, as Kopsch pointed out in a 1990 interview, "adding a teflon coating to the round added 20% penetration power on metal and glass. Critics kept complaining about teflon's ability to penetrate body armor... In fact, teflon cut down on the round's ability to cut through the nylon or kevlar of body armor." [2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon-coated_bullet


And of course the media keeps publishing stories about the "high powered" assault rifle that is far more deadly than your father's hunting rifle because it resembles the fully automatic assault rifles used by the military.

This police officer debunks that myth:



I only mentioned three examples of how the media misleads its audience about issues involving firearms.

All I can say is that while it is true that people with concealed carry permits are not angels, statistics show that we are, when compared with other groups of individuals (including police officers), unusually law abiding and responsible citizens.

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On Zimmy's statement to the court [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 OP
"Becoming paranoid". The country is awash in pure fear of the 'other'. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #1
Yeah I know... nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #2
Get ready for the CCW fans to rip this thread apart Hugabear Apr 2012 #3
Oh I expect it. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #4
No we won't - there are so many examples of spontaneous mass shoot outs in theaters hack89 Apr 2012 #12
which makes it all the more stupid that he got out of his car and followed Trayvon magical thyme Apr 2012 #5
Agreed, I think they opened a few holes nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #13
that's more than culture I think magical thyme Apr 2012 #17
Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #19
And he lied when he said he thought Martin was older. HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #27
Zimmerman's side will tell you his gun saved his life. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #6
And everyone else will tell you Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his damned car Hugabear Apr 2012 #7
No shit Sherlock. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #8
They can and they do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #10
I remember that logic...We had to destroy the village to save it. A Simple Game Apr 2012 #20
Fear is an adrenaline high, an addiction. When it cycles down, one needs another fix to feel alive. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
What is funny is that this drug, and yes it is a drug, it is an adrenalin high nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #11
A variation of something I was thinking. 99Forever Apr 2012 #14
Yup, I have heard this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
"An armed society is a polite society." arely staircase Apr 2012 #31
Strange. I have a Concealed Weapons Permit and I don't think that everybody I see is armed. spin Apr 2012 #16
And per schedule HI nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #18
Just curious, since you are an ex-cop. zappaman Apr 2012 #22
We can argue about who is the most paranoid all day ... spin Apr 2012 #24
Neither am I, but I do not live in a state where my chances nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #26
As an ex-cop you should still qualify for one. Codeine Apr 2012 #40
Do me a favor, would you? 99Forever Apr 2012 #21
Since you live in Minnesota and I live in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #25
Or, as has been recently illustrated, if you are a young... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #28
What you fail to realize is that I am not Zimmerman ... spin Apr 2012 #29
I see... 99Forever Apr 2012 #30
Feel free to visit... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #32
Welcome to DU. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #33
Thanks.. AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #38
Reading skills are fundamental ... spin Apr 2012 #35
My "reading skills" are just fine, bud,... 99Forever Apr 2012 #36
Let's look at some facts and statistics ... spin Apr 2012 #37
Facts and statistics... 99Forever Apr 2012 #39
It's the equivalent of admitting you are wrong... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #41
Exactly. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #43
That isn't what I said.. 99Forever Apr 2012 #46
Like many who oppose concealed carry ... spin Apr 2012 #42
Human nature being what it is, I actually agree with this. Good point Nadin nt riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #23
How do we protect ourselves from this group of people who are now walking Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #34
Over 800,000 citizens have concealed weapons permits in Florida ... spin Apr 2012 #44
Who is going to be left alive to define if an attack is provoked? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #45
I walk by cameras all the time ... spin Apr 2012 #47
You don't represent everyone who carries, do you spin? Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #48
Zimmerman hardly represents the majority of people ... spin Apr 2012 #49
Well, we don't know it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #50
Two things on this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #51
If you you said was true ... spin Apr 2012 #53
Was George Zimmerman's permit pulled off when nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #54
Is the fact that JUSTIFIED shooting has increased 25% a terrible thing? spin Apr 2012 #56
Here is the problem you are having nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #57
There is a legal review in the Zimmerman case ... spin Apr 2012 #59
Oh com'on there is legal review ONLY after massive national nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #60
If you carefully read my post you will find that we agree on this point... spin Apr 2012 #61
What you ignore is the number of lives that are saved because a person with a carry permit ... spin Apr 2012 #55
Zimmy was lying: ""I thought Trayvon was slightly younger than me..." pokerfan Apr 2012 #52
Swill pipoman Apr 2012 #58
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