"we lost the torture debate completely"

[countryjake]

39. Pretending that "America" supports torture because somebody asked 1000 people...

a bunch of questions which, even in their presentation, assumed that those 1000 people knew anything about the very real torture methods used, who they were used on, and whether or not any actual benefits arose from that torture, is disingenuous. In fact, that Pew Poll was conducted within the very same week that the Senate report was released and honestly, how many of even very politically active people had delved into the many despicable revelations of the report by the time "pollsters" asked such questions?

I don't give two figs what that Pew Poll claims. Pew could come here where I live and ask those very same questions right now, a whole month since that Senate report revealed just a smidgen of what the fuckers did, and concentrate their polling specifically to 1000 members of the Democratic Party in my county. Well, guess what? The results would most likely skew even higher in favor and that is because the demographics here tend to lean conservative, whether the tag they identify with is Democratic or Republican. An overwhelmingly white, rural county, where very many are content, no, proud, of the fact that they are uninformed.

The defense of torture that we all witnessed last month, in the MSM, via any "polls" conducted, and from the mouths of leaders in our government, both past and present, was done to control the conversation on the subject, to make Americans think that there actually is a question such as, "Is torture justified?" under both our Constitution and the Geneva Conventions.

And Marc Thiessen is a right-wing propagandist that I've no qualms about disparaging. He was a neo-con bastard long before Rumsfeld ever hired him; hell, his "successful" work with that sexist, racist Helms was the reason he ended up as the Shrub's mouthpiece.