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86. So, 9 months should be the grace period? Why not 10? Why not a year or more?

Reply to HockeyMom (Reply #78)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:50 PM

Jan 2015

What is the point of setting an age limit and then ignoring it?

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Teen girl and mother fight the state over right to refuse chemo cancer treatment [View all] davidn3600 Jan 2015 OP

Her body, her choice. Lancero Jan 2015 #1

Adults, including health care professionals who know better. Warpy Jan 2015 #4

Again, her body, her choice. Lancero Jan 2015 #5

That right isn't absolute and we all know it Warpy Jan 2015 #7

I've had Republicans tell me that my absolute choice... Lancero Jan 2015 #9

Well, when those "children" can be evicted from an unwilling womb Warpy Jan 2015 #10

You're already on that side - The side of wanting to deprive women of their right to choose. Lancero Jan 2015 #11

Not when she's still a kid and she's choosing suicide. Warpy Jan 2015 #12

I've heard Republicans say similar - "It's not about depriving her of her right to choose!" Lancero Jan 2015 #13

I agree with you. Demit Jan 2015 #29

You are a troll. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #125

What gives you the right to call someone a troll when all they are doing is onecent Jan 2015 #132

Because it's not just an opinion. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #141

YEP...AND the above is YOUR OPINION...troll. onecent Jan 2015 #144

Thinking that parents should be allowed to neglect their children and let them die kcr Jan 2015 #147

You can take it easy with the caps. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #148

Hmmm... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #59

Actually...the judge foudn that she was not thinking rationally about the consequences. Thus, the msanthrope Jan 2015 #136

I still have to wonder about how true that is... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #150

It's not an easy situation davidn3600 Jan 2015 #14

If the daughter was younger, I'd be supporting this - But as close to 18 as she is... Lancero Jan 2015 #18

What if... Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #25

Considering the story doesn't even mention the father, I get the feeling he isn't around to voice a Lancero Jan 2015 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author sharp_stick Jan 2015 #49

If it was a terminal cancer she would have a choice. mucifer Jan 2015 #23

Yes, that choice does include suicide. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #66

Does your absolute choice include suicide? gerogie2 Jan 2015 #106

Totally correct gerogie2...you have my vote!!! onecent Jan 2015 #145

That should absolutely not be true for children. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #15

I didn't mention it then, but yes age would make a diffrience. Lancero Jan 2015 #17

The parent has decided - against treatment Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #47

This pro choice woman does not fight for the right for parents to let their kids die n/t kcr Jan 2015 #37

I don't know why some folks are pretending this is the same as terminating a pregnancy stevenleser Jan 2015 #48

I agree. The two aren't even the same. kcr Jan 2015 #71

Thank you. I continue to be amazed at the DU posters who can't seem Nay Jan 2015 #162

You are SO RIGHT LANCERO. People just don't get it. onecent Jan 2015 #131

People DO get it, onecent. Sissyk Jan 2015 #157

If a person is old enough and competent enough avebury Jan 2015 #97

I agree with this to a point Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #24

She's allowed to marry at 16 - if that is the criteria for "adulthood" she has passed that age Hestia Jan 2015 #113

I'm wondering if it really is her choice Skittles Jan 2015 #126

i agree. i would never ever have chemo or DesertFlower Jan 2015 #153

I think a 17 year old should be able to make that decision for themselves. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #2

For many kids, that's true Warpy Jan 2015 #3

The impression I get from the article is that the doctors ManiacJoe Jan 2015 #6

Yeah, Mama needs a good, hard look Warpy Jan 2015 #8

+2 nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #160

There are worse things than not being able to have children. Being dead, for instance. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #16

I have to wonder just how life is going for her. Lancero Jan 2015 #20

The mother is a fucking moron but MattBaggins Jan 2015 #19

Poison and Toxins do have different definitions. Lancero Jan 2015 #21

"Poison toxins" was a red light for me too. Silent3 Jan 2015 #133

CBD oil is curing cancers right and left - truedelphi Jan 2015 #22

Scientific evidence for this ridiculous claim? alarimer Jan 2015 #32

Oh gawdess bless you. truedelphi Jan 2015 #95

data please Shivering Jemmy Jan 2015 #155

BTW, Is the National Cancer Institute and their work on the issue good enough for you? truedelphi Jan 2015 #120

I'm saddened at how many people have fallen for this prime example of Woo. Lancero Jan 2015 #33

Yeah, like those disgusting "woo woo's" over at the USA's own National Cancer Institute. truedelphi Jan 2015 #119

CBD oil is all things to all people Orrex Jan 2015 #43

Not sure that it is all things to all people, but the USA's own National Cancer Institute gave it truedelphi Jan 2015 #118

Funny thing about "alternative" "medicine" Orrex Jan 2015 #127

. Sissyk Jan 2015 #159

May I borrow that quote for future use? MattBaggins Jan 2015 #163

Spread the word far and wide Orrex Jan 2015 #164

I think they'll lose.... and I think they should. KentuckyWoman Jan 2015 #26

sounds like a huge amount of misinformation here mikemcl350 Jan 2015 #36

Really? Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #50

Hodgkin's Lymphoma is easily cured. kaiden Jan 2015 #27

Cheers to your husband! And your family! Inkfreak Jan 2015 #28

Thanks, Inkfreak. It is scary but doable. kaiden Jan 2015 #30

Anecdotal, as far as CBD oil? Does our National Insititure of Cancer produce studies that truedelphi Jan 2015 #122

No need to be nasty. kaiden Jan 2015 #129

That was a magnificent, unassailable response. Orrex Jan 2015 #130

The word "anecdotal" and those using it sets my nerves on edge. truedelphi Jan 2015 #154

Litigate it for 9 months HockeyMom Jan 2015 #34

It's not just what people think. Legally they are minors. kcr Jan 2015 #38

Ok, then it should be her MOTHER'S HockeyMom Jan 2015 #40

You just completely reversed positions. Union Scribe Jan 2015 #52

Both sides going around HockeyMom Jan 2015 #55

Parents don't get to make whatever decision they want regarding their children. kcr Jan 2015 #74

9 months from now this young woman HockeyMom Jan 2015 #78

So, 9 months should be the grace period? Why not 10? Why not a year or more? kcr Jan 2015 #86

The reference to 9 months is that is when the now minor girl becomes an 18 yo adult. Fla Dem Jan 2015 #135

Yes, but she's not 18 yet. kcr Jan 2015 #146

Litigate for 9 months and the treatment will be done with. Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #51

I'd go along with the mother and daughter if this was Pancreatic Cancer. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #35

Forced Medical Treatment is the issue HockeyMom Jan 2015 #39

We do not allow Jehovah's Witnesss parents to refuse blood transfusions for children. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #41

Do we not allow Alternative Treatments HockeyMom Jan 2015 #42

There are no alternative treatments for Hodgkin's Lymphoma. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #44

So if she were 9 months older HockeyMom Jan 2015 #45

If she were 9 months older, it would be her choice. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #46

The law allows for emancipation HockeyMom Jan 2015 #53

Then you have described her recourse. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #54

Actually, the court could stay the treatments HockeyMom Jan 2015 #56

I seriously doubt any court in the country would do that. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #58

Will she die tomorrow w/o chemo? HockeyMom Jan 2015 #61

Ceasing her treatment means she WILL die. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #62

Tomorrow, next week, HockeyMom Jan 2015 #64

Every day her treatment is put off decreases her survivability rate. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #65

Then she is not in danger of immediate death HockeyMom Jan 2015 #68

And agaiin, no judge in their right mind would issue such a stay. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #69

probably not but HockeyMom Jan 2015 #70

Alleging "kidnapping" in this case is irresponsible. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #72

No, absolutely not. The state should have the last say in child health decisions. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #140

Well, there is a LOT of leeway with Minors after HS Graduation HockeyMom Jan 2015 #143

In a disease that has a high rate of survival with treatment, I believe she should be forced KitSileya Jan 2015 #57

Are you saying this just becuase of her age? HockeyMom Jan 2015 #63

Did you have a high likelihood of dying because of your hit? KitSileya Jan 2015 #79

Cracked skull? HockeyMom Jan 2015 #82

Did I say I've never known an adult to refuse treatment? KitSileya Jan 2015 #99

Oh, trust me, you don't want to go there HockeyMom Jan 2015 #104

That's a little disingenuous. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #83

My problem with lowering the age for things like that kcr Jan 2015 #91

Understood. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #92

Yes, it does differ kcr Jan 2015 #111

That makes sense. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #112

As a newbie to this forum Runningdawg Jan 2015 #60

Agreed. F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #87

The point is that the judge found she was not making rational choices. Had she been found msanthrope Jan 2015 #137

If she knows the consequences what is the problem? dilby Jan 2015 #67

I signed myself out of a hospital when I was 32 HockeyMom Jan 2015 #73

Well, her type of cancer is fatal if treated, but she can easily live 40 - 50 years if it is treated haele Jan 2015 #107

If this woman lived in Oregon and wanted to opt for Death with Dignity, dilby Jan 2015 #75

She wouldn't qualify for Death with Dignity KMOD Jan 2015 #76

Opting for no treatment would make it terminal. dilby Jan 2015 #80

In Death with Dignity KMOD Jan 2015 #84

I would never submit to chemo Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #77

Electro Shock Therapy HockeyMom Jan 2015 #81

Good call Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #88

Shock Treatment is still currently used. KMOD Jan 2015 #114

That is outrageous HockeyMom Jan 2015 #116

Its considered good medical practice in 2014 Sgent Jan 2015 #115

Well, given the choice of death TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #94

I have been an advocate here for Universal Healthcare. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #85

++++++ HockeyMom Jan 2015 #89

Mature Minor Doctrine KMOD Jan 2015 #90

Then the reverse is also true HockeyMom Jan 2015 #93

Yes KMOD Jan 2015 #96

Son with Cancer bpj62 Jan 2015 #98

Is she so brainwashed to think that TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #100

I'm guessing that she does not fully understand KMOD Jan 2015 #102

IF her mother believes she is not going to die TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #105

If your child is 30 or 40 also? HockeyMom Jan 2015 #108

But she is not "30 or 40" TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #110

I don't think they will win their case with this situation. n/t KMOD Jan 2015 #109

From the OP article, she will die without chemotherapy per medical team. uppityperson Jan 2015 #158

If she had committed a crime, HockeyMom Jan 2015 #101

It's tricky. KMOD Jan 2015 #103

UPDATE: Court rules teen must continue chemotherapy KMOD Jan 2015 #117

KMOD, thank you for this update. n/t ChazII Jan 2015 #123

My pleasure. n/t KMOD Jan 2015 #161

It's her body, it should be her choice SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #121

I find this case troubling vankuria Jan 2015 #124

Anyone here been treated with chemo for Hodgkins? YarnAddict Jan 2015 #128

Well said! vankuria Jan 2015 #134

Thank you, vankuria! n/t YarnAddict Jan 2015 #151

Have any of you ever walked out of a hospital? HockeyMom Jan 2015 #156

She's 17 WolverineDG Jan 2015 #138

Let her refuse treatment, let her be treated with woo.. SidDithers Jan 2015 #139

"Chemo might prevent her from having children" Kurska Jan 2015 #142

I read somewhere that her chance for a cure with chemo is about 85%. Vinca Jan 2015 #149

Maybe there is a compromise YarnAddict Jan 2015 #152

She would be a very mature 17 year old, WANTING HockeyMom Jan 2015 #165

How is that the message when we're talking about a life or death situation? kcr Jan 2015 #166

Exactly, her mother is delusional HockeyMom Jan 2015 #167

No, because children and adults aren't the same kcr Jan 2015 #168