Awlaki himself decided not to use the US legal system (Reply #139)

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:40 PM

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139. Awlaki himself decided not to use the US legal system

He can't turn his back on it and then be the victim when he doesn't get his day in court.

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184 replies	Author	Time	Post
Molly Norris, American Cartoonist and Victim of Terror, and Glenn Greenwald. [View all]	msanthrope	Jan 2015	OP
Greenwald's agenda and the truth are two distinct things. eom	MohRokTah	Jan 2015	#1
I just took a look at French media....AQAP might be behind the shooting..Awlaki's old crew...	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#4
Good stuff...kick	Blue_Tires	Jan 2015	#2
oh sure nt	grasswire	Jan 2015	#28
Par for the course for that guy.	zappaman	Jan 2015	#3
You know, I was criticized for calling out Greenwald's representation of Nazis in civil	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#8
"what political agenda allows for this?" No real agenda.	uhnope	Jan 2015	#44
BOOM! There it is!	Behind the Aegis	Jan 2015	#174
my god, there's something really wrong with Greenwald	uhnope	Jan 2015	#175
K & R. n/t	FSogol	Jan 2015	#5
It's like Greenwald is half asleep when he composes his stuff.	randome	Jan 2015	#6
He's not half-asleep---he counts on his readership to be. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#9
No opportunity too tasteless to thrash Greenwald eh?	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#7
Indeed....how horrible of me not to take GG's reputation into account before correctly	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#10
Well if ibtimes says so...	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#11
Did they take over the The Wire, too...my source in the OP which reported the hit list in 2013?	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#13
I'm suggesting your interest in the truth	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#15
I will happily debate the truth with you....is there a single fact I've presented you take issue	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#19
My critique	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#22
Indeed....I'm still waiting for your critique. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#46
I thought it was about "truth".	cheapdate	Jan 2015	#152
what exactly do you contend is untrue in anything she has written here?	bettyellen	Jan 2015	#20
It's the frenzied interpretive dance with facts I take issue with. n/t	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#23
+1	bahrbearian	Jan 2015	#40
Are you sure? Or do you take issue with my description of the 9/11 hijackers? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#64
What is your description?	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#65
In my OP. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#67
I see what you called al-Awlaki	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#70
Do you believe they exist? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#73
Of course	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#74
Just wondering. You seem to have previously described them as "woo."	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#77
Haha I get what you're trying to do	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#82
Ah....so what fact of mine do you dispute? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#83
To start with	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#87
First, I never contented that we know all we need to know. I think that every single bit of	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#88
Again, it's an opinion, not a fact	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#89
It absolutely is a fact. As a non-custodial member of AQAP, actively engaged in terror, he was	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#91
This is an old Atlantic article that I'll leave for DUers	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#96
Hey--when GG decided to blame Canada for its terrorist shooting a few months ago, did you	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#99
It also rightly questions the bad laws and opinions	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#101
Yeah...I'm really good with how the likes of Bin Laden left the earth. How about you? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#105
I'm not good with it at all	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#106
Yeah.....just not seeing the downside to Bin Laden's death. Do tell. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#107
He doesn't get to tell his side of the story in a court of law.	Octafish	Jan 2015	#159
So President Obama hushed up Bin Laden to save the Bushes??? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#160
No, that's what you wrote.	Octafish	Jan 2015	#161
LOL!	zappaman	Jan 2015	#164
What do you know!	Octafish	Jan 2015	#165
Right?	zappaman	Jan 2015	#166
I thought Democrats cared about Civil Rights, even those with whom they disagree?	Octafish	Jan 2015	#167
"With whom they disagree"?	zappaman	Jan 2015	#168
Is your ignorance intentional, zappaman?	Octafish	Jan 2015	#169
When it comes to "intentional ignorance", I certainly bow to your expertise.	zappaman	Jan 2015	#170
To quote me requires you write ''ignorance intentional,'' zappaman.	Octafish	Jan 2015	#172
Lol!	zappaman	Jan 2015	#173
It indicates what you know about journalism and research, zappaman.	Octafish	Jan 2015	#178
I know not to defend anti-Semites....	zappaman	Jan 2015	#179
Rather defend extrajudicial killing? nt	elias49	Jan 2015	#182
LOL, so you can't defend your accusation. Noted.	bettyellen	Jan 2015	#69
oh please. Anyone reading your posts can see you are projecting	uhnope	Jan 2015	#47
That's about as shameless an attempt to derail a thread I've ever seen	Number23	Jan 2015	#68
interesting.	NewDeal_Dem	Jan 2015	#180
If you took Greenwald's reputation into accout, your post would have been more scathing.	George II	Jan 2015	#43
I would think so too. The only one damaging	arthritisR_US	Jan 2015	#58
Well, any excuse to exploit the dead, I suppose	Scootaloo	Jan 2015	#108
When GG blamed Canada for its terror attack that killed a reservist, did you tell him that?	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#109
I'm talking about you, msanthrope, and your exploitation of murder	Scootaloo	Jan 2015	#110
Oh right--weren't you on that thread, defending Mr. Greenwald? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#115
I was pointing out the idiocy of several posters and their selective reading ability	Scootaloo	Jan 2015	#123
Which posters were idiots? You seem to have a hypocritical stance--GG can talk about	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#126
^^^	grasswire	Jan 2015	#27
These OPs are useful to me, in that I can watch who "K&R's" them	Maedhros	Jan 2015	#45
I've never recommended a thread before.	OilemFirchen	Jan 2015	#55
Interesting - I too have NEVER done so but just did...	George II	Jan 2015	#71
Why you believe your ignore list	Jeff Rosenzweig	Jan 2015	#56
I'll save you a bit of time. I just Rec'd the OP, so please ...	11 Bravo	Jan 2015	#72
And those supporting murder apologist Glenn Greenwald?	Ikonoklast	Jan 2015	#80
I'm crushed!	greatauntoftriplets	Jan 2015	#84
Let me help you. K&R	Andy823	Jan 2015	#94
Goody. Am I on your ignore list? I have no time for people who fail to use citations and research.	Hekate	Jan 2015	#112
I stand with msanthrope and the facts.	great white snark	Jan 2015	#113
Thank you. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#146
Put me on ignore	leftynyc	Jan 2015	#177
Thank you for the research, msanthrope. That used to count for something here.	Hekate	Jan 2015	#12
i've been talking about Molly Norris on this site for a few years now....anytime someone posts	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#17
Well done! I could not agree more with your points...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#14
K&R! Good research. Greenwald occasionally says something sensible.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#18
I might quibble with you as to Greenwald saying something sensible...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#24
I did mean it for the OP, yes. My error.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#30
Thanks, leaving it does allow more continuity n/t	Spazito	Jan 2015	#34
The GG'S reminds me of the Libertarian ilk...	arthritisR_US	Jan 2015	#60
Yep, his Libertarian roots run deep...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#62
That's the impression he has always left me with.	arthritisR_US	Jan 2015	#78
I remember when Rand Paul was challenged on his comments re the Civil Rights Act...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#81
Peas in a pod, if you ask me. nt	arthritisR_US	Jan 2015	#85
If you did a Venn of the two types you are describing, one circle red, one blue, it would be	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#26
Yes. I think you're correct.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#32
I truly wonder why someone who has accused the President of killing a terrorist for their	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#21
I wonder why DUers continue to consider his screeds acceptable even lauditory...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#25
Greenwald is very like Newt Gingrich---he sounds like what a smart person is supposed	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#29
Greenwald's thin skin when it comes to criticism mirrors Limbaugh's as well...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#31
He is very thin-skinned. You can tell from both the vitriol, and the screeds he produces in defense	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#35
I have often thought the same...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#38
Yes. I remember the time I referred to him as a libertarian and a	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#48
He's gotta get a thesaurus, or some new material. He beat that term to death in one of his books	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#57
Greenwald is an unstable narcissist	uhnope	Jan 2015	#49
Greenwald is very much like Newt Gingrich. Each	asjr	Jan 2015	#41
This is one of the best posts I've read at DU in a long, long time...	SidDithers	Jan 2015	#16
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2015	#33
+ a googol	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#37
Apparently not everyone agrees with your praise.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#50
And on a day when DU is in an uproar over freedom of expression	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#53
Maedhros is so full of freedom of expression s/he made a big deal about who	KittyWampus	Jan 2015	#98
LOL, good point!	Spazito	Jan 2015	#111
You mean that Rajib Karim was unlawfully convicted? The emails between him and Awlaki, presented in	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#42
That poster won't be able to reply to you.	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#52
That is a wonderful portmanteau of "chide" and "hidden." I am going to use it. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#59
I've used that for years. I think of	MineralMan	Jan 2015	#117
Great post, thanks. Greenwald is a self serving, duplicitous piece of garbage	George II	Jan 2015	#36
K & R	SunSeeker	Jan 2015	#39
KR	uhnope	Jan 2015	#51
So you support summarily executing American citizens with no due process?	alarimer	Jan 2015	#54
I contend that Mr. Awlaki had plenty of due process, and would be more than happy to debate that	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#61
"You make me sick".. Oooops, your words just boomeranged!	Cha	Jan 2015	#75
there is a lot of dishonesty when these things are brought up	JI7	Jan 2015	#63
UNREC	CrawlingChaos	Jan 2015	#66
indeed, when the first thought in the aftermath of such a tragedy	stupidicus	Jan 2015	#76
What makes you think Greenwald isn't here? MM upthread described GG linking to one of his posts.	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#79
plenty	stupidicus	Jan 2015	#90
So when GG used the tragedy of shootings in Canada to say they had it coming.....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#92
Geez, I totally missed that thread...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#95
Note the hypocrisy....Glenn can blame terrorism on the victims, but I'm the bad person	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#97
Yep, hypocrisy abounds, imo, among those who would defend the indefensible...	Spazito	Jan 2015	#102
that's meaningless garbage	stupidicus	Jan 2015	#103
Wait- we can't critique Greenwald unless he's here to defend himself? Does that logic apply	KittyWampus	Jan 2015	#100
Kitty..I have no doubt GG is here....google "Greenwald" and "sock puppet" and you will read the most	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#104
Yes but according to the "logic" of previous poster we can't critique anyone unless they are here.	KittyWampus	Jan 2015	#128
Note that not a single one of them has provided a dispute of facts? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#130
I noticed that!	Spazito	Jan 2015	#138
Oh, that has been WELL noted. As well as the attacks on Cali_Dem for daring to post Greenwald's	Number23	Jan 2015	#141
You know, for a long time, blue links were eschewed. I think when you are dealing with GG.....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#143
good grief	stupidicus	Jan 2015	#149
What an interesting, thought provoking	treestar	Jan 2015	#137
Thank you for once again exposing the ODS of GG that is so entrenched it makes him	Cha	Jan 2015	#86
Thank you, friend. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#93
Tying this to Greenwald is unseemly	LittleBlue	Jan 2015	#114
Mr. Greenwald had no problem blaming victims of terror......	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#116
Yes, Greenwald made you do it	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#118
Hey--upthread you are avoiding my Bin Laden question. Tell us why you regret his death. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#120
You know why	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#122
How in the heck did Bin Laden's death destroy the Constitution? nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#127
You're right	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#129
I think John Yoo is an evil motherfucker. So was Bin Laden. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#131
This message was self-deleted by its author	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#132
So when I wrote this....	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#133
I was self deleting at the moment you were posting	whatchamacallit	Jan 2015	#134
You could have posted this last week or next week	LittleBlue	Jan 2015	#124
yep, that's all crystal clear	stupidicus	Jan 2015	#150
Seconded.	Marr	Jan 2015	#171
Wow, excellent OP, msanthrope.	Bobbie Jo	Jan 2015	#119
The idea that any POTUS of America would have someone murdered over expressing their opinion	Rex	Jan 2015	#121
Well--it's part of the persecution schtick that helps Greenwald get clicks. That...and his general	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#125
Killing a U.S. citizen for exercising free speech is good anger management, is it?	MrMickeysMom	Jan 2015	#135
Wait a second---"finding out what the facts are behind any of these fatwas?"	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#136
Awlaki himself decided not to use the US legal system	treestar	Jan 2015	#139
You forgot...	MrMickeysMom	Jan 2015	#140
"finding out what the facts are behind any of these fatwas"---could you please explain	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#142
Still waiting for you to answer me. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#155
Yeah, let's not rush to judge these fatwas, LOL!	bettyellen	Jan 2015	#145
Thank you---I'm still trying to get an answer over this! Maybe the poster can clarify what the	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#147
Still waiting for you to answer me. nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#148
Try to be truthful...	MrMickeysMom	Jan 2015	#157
Again, your stance on fatwas seems unclear. Are you saying that Awlaki did not issue a death threat	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#158
"In short, he had due process….."	MrMickeysMom	Jan 2015	#162
Yes..he had due process, and will happily debate you on that point. But again, please clarify	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#163
KICK!	Cha	Jan 2015	#144
kick , this backs up a lot of the stuff coming out today	JI7	Jan 2015	#151
This is more relevant than ever now..	Cha	Jan 2015	#153
Thank you......OMG......Awlaki financed them? And I want to direct you here---	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#154
Kick and rec.	zappaman	Jan 2015	#156
Excellent Op msanthrope.	sheshe2	Jan 2015	#176
Kick...for relevancy...nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#181
Kick--because Awlaki is being whitewashed.....nt	msanthrope	Jan 2015	#183
k	uhnope	Jan 2015	#184

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