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36. Satire does not have to be funny

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:15 AM

Jan 2015

it also encompasses irony and ridicule. The point of satire is to point out the stupidity of peoples beliefs and actions.

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Anti-Muslim satire is about to get a lot stronger...and it should [View all] brooklynite Jan 2015 OP

You mean more insulting and pointless stuff insulting the prophet of Islam. Just because they can? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #1

Do you believe that Islam and other religions should be immune from satire? brooklynite Jan 2015 #4

I think different cultures and religions have different viewpoints on what is satire. The cartoons Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8

I'm no fan of South Park deutsey Jan 2015 #16

It does NOT justify killing, ever, of course not. But satire? Really is that the new definition? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17

Agreed deutsey Jan 2015 #24

Satire does not have to be funny hack89 Jan 2015 #36

True, and moreover, if you're not French you're unlikely to fully appreciate the satire LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #105

It was equal opportunity hate speech. Which makes it all much better? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #113

Hate speech -- in YOUR view LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #114

So if some fundie nut case decided to ice Andres Serrano ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #58

Same was said of Voltaire's 'Candide.' LanternWaste Jan 2015 #69

Some say DU is hate speech. Some say FR is hate speech. We don't and can't allow hecklers vetos.nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #101

So, it's only satire when -YOU- find it funny... brooklynite Jan 2015 #18

Show me a cartoon they published you find funny then? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #20

Why is my interpretation of "funny" at all relevant? brooklynite Jan 2015 #29

Wow, I thought it was only the right wingers leftynyc Jan 2015 #5

Show me one cartoon that of theirs that is funny, hilarious...and why? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #10

Show me one cartoon that 100% of the viewers find funny, hilarious brooklynite Jan 2015 #22

Since when are political cartoons leftynyc Jan 2015 #23

These are religious cartoons grossly drawn and grossly hateful being discussed......politics? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #25

Yes - politics leftynyc Jan 2015 #27

Why are you pretending that I was pretending? Now this is the second time. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #32

I have no idea what that means leftynyc Jan 2015 #35

Fred, just because YOU don't find it funny... Adrahil Jan 2015 #66

Ask Sean Hannity's fans if they think John Cleese's Quantess Jan 2015 #77

And the whole quote changes my quote...how? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13

Sigh leftynyc Jan 2015 #26

The right wing sites are corrupt bastards, they just used it in a different way...I hid nothing, you Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30

And yet you used it the same exact way leftynyc Jan 2015 #34

No explanation yet for how the full speech changes the context...waiting....waiting.... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #49

Sigh leftynyc Jan 2015 #55

I hope you do not have much contact with children Long Drive Jan 2015 #74

Truly. Even more so when completely wrong, which is most of the time. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #78

"Caustic"??!!! riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #81

"Caustic" is an insult? Who has the thin skin, it is not the poster? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #82

The insinuation that leftynyc is so dangerous s/he should not be around children riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #85

I saw it as more of a metaphor and "no contact" has no implication of dangerousness to children, Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #87

I don't see the metaphor but thanks (I think) for trying to explain it riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #88

Well, it is -31 with the wind chill so I am trying, thank you. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #89

I hear you. I'm in Northern IL and we're also locked in the deep freeze riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #94

I truly don't care leftynyc Jan 2015 #84

I dont think we wil be friends Long Drive Jan 2015 #110

That's what happens leftynyc Jan 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jan 2015 #108

Thank you for the full quote, which changes the meaning of my quote not at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14

Satire of religion isn't hate speech. QuestionableC Jan 2015 #6

What cartoon of theirs did you find particularily hilarious and why? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

Immaterial. I find little if anything of what you say to be relevant but you absolutely have Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #19

Of course I do and I insulted no one and did not invite any hate. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21

So *you* say. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #33

Misogyny? Where? I have no idea who you are...who is being self-serving? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #38

heh Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #41

Bill Hicks safeinOhio Jan 2015 #7

The cartoons published with hate in mind are not satire...what cartoon did you find was hilarious? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15

So you are the Satire Police. Good to know. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #37

Yes, I am the satire police. Pens up! Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39

devry --- LMAO easychoice Jan 2015 #103

How (precisely) does a hateful pen deny the literary device known as satire? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #70

Give it up there Fred... either you want freedom or speech or you dont. TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2015 #91

By all means, we can't offend people's make-believe prophet! Adrahil Jan 2015 #46

On that note, time for some Java. I have made my points... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #53

I went and got coffee too. :) I had a sociology professor who once said... Adrahil Jan 2015 #64

I think you misquoted Obama. Vattel Jan 2015 #54

Thank you for the correction on the quote, the full speech is even more instructive. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #61

I'd say that the future can only belong to societies in which the right to insult the prophet, Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #57

I'm sorry, is that a crime punishable by death? No it is not and you know this. Rex Jan 2015 #80

Don't look at it as an increase... lame54 Jan 2015 #115

Agree leftynyc Jan 2015 #2

I suggest you read the Rude Pundit from yesterday malaise Jan 2015 #3

People have the right to be offended...and they have the right to not read things that offend them brooklynite Jan 2015 #9

That's the most cogent statement I've seen on this. randome Jan 2015 #62

Most on DU have rejected The Rude One and his impeccable logic and research, a real shame. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12

"Ask yourself how you think some Christians would react if a newspaper ..." oberliner Jan 2015 #28

Muslims did not "react" to the offensive "satire", apparently three madmen foreign to Islam, did. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #40

+1000. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #47

Of course they did oberliner Jan 2015 #48

So the No True Scotsmen thing? MellowDem Jan 2015 #95

The No False Scotsman thing? One gets to define the masses by the actions of a few? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #102

I didn't define the masses.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #111

Really? That doesn't look 'exactly that way' to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #56

You've seen both cartoons? oberliner Jan 2015 #60

I've seen the Jesus ones you linked. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #65

So you haven't seen the Mohammed one? oberliner Jan 2015 #67

I have now seen multiple anti-Islamic ones from Hebdo. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #68

Fair enough oberliner Jan 2015 #107

I think some christians would protest TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #76

Actually..... brooklynite Jan 2015 #97

Like a drunk girl being raped TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #98

The vulgarity united all the religions against the cartoonists. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #104

That's like eating freedom fries to support the Global War on Terrorism. DetlefK Jan 2015 #31

Your analogy doesn't work... brooklynite Jan 2015 #42

But it has to do with murder for religious reasons. DetlefK Jan 2015 #63

A better analogy is: NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #112

That is insulting Muslims who are good peaceful people rbrnmw Jan 2015 #43

Here's a link that leftynyc Jan 2015 #44

'Should'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #45

John Stewart, the master of satire, always has a point besides "I hate you and you suck". Satire. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #52

your own dogma is blinding you to additional aspects that invalidate your absolutism. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #72

I agree. HappyMe Jan 2015 #59

The fact the cartoonists have been tragically murdered does not make their cartoons any better or Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #75

Again, I do agree. HappyMe Jan 2015 #79

Belief is a choice, and should absolutely be open to satire and ridicule... SidDithers Jan 2015 #50

Censoring the "offensive" material only encourages such attacks. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #51

"Anti-Muslim"? We must move beyond thinking that any criticism of Islam is anti-Muslim Taitertots Jan 2015 #71

Charlie Hebdo staff vow to print 1m copies as French media support grows brooklynite Jan 2015 #73

and it will sell out before everybody who wants a copy is able to purchase one. nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #90

I disagree. The cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo were just crude provocateurs LittleBlue Jan 2015 #86

My viewpoint also. Free speech fine, free speech martyrs...no. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #92

How about an increase in anti-US satire for all the innocents Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #93

You're welcome to produce some brooklynite Jan 2015 #96

Including more radically offensive Christian and Jewish satire? n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #99

I assume they will continue to produce that... brooklynite Jan 2015 #100

Generally speaking, in this day and age, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #106

Certainly there hasn't been anyone killed over it recently (afaik) whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #109