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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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228. Define 'protective'?

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:44 AM

Jan 2015

Is saying people are idiots for publishing the most offensive things they can think to draw or say about a group of people 'protective'?

Most religions around the world (as they are actually practiced and as their holy writ states) 'fall far short of' progressivism as far as I can see. Because most religions are inherently 'conservative'. They have a given changeless ideal to which they aspire. They want you to do 'x, y and z' for now and for ever, and discourage change. You have to cleave to millennia-old proscriptions. That's as conservative as you can get.

As for your first sentence, that describes Christianity pretty well too, as far as I can see. If you want to claim there are lots of Christians who don't fall under those adjectives, what you're really saying is 'There are lots of Christians who REJECT the parts of Christianity they don't like, but still claim to be 'Christians'.

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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam [View all] bluestateguy Jan 2015 OP

Underdogma. Throd Jan 2015 #1

. Snotcicles Jan 2015 #4

flame bait trumad Jan 2015 #2

And what is calling the Catholic religion "one of the most offensive organizations that has ever existed"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #8

Uhh what...this op isn't flame bait? trumad Jan 2015 #14

And your OP calling Pope Francis a "bigoted son of a bitch" was not? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #15

nope trumad Jan 2015 #18

Wow Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #300

Not even close. trumad Jan 2015 #302

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #367

DUZY Lulz Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #34

lmfao RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #227

134, not 133 NoGOPZone Jan 2015 #20

And you would probably not have added a rec to a post calling a Muslim cleric a "son of a bitch". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #22

you could start one to see if I would NoGOPZone Jan 2015 #28

LOL trumad Jan 2015 #32

People really hang on to almost-2-year-old posts??? ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #239

A 2013 post? Geez. merrily Jan 2015 #273

Trumad appears to be standing by his "Pope Francis is a son of a bitch" thread. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #275

I was referring to your cataloguing of posts and hanging on to stuff, not to merrily Jan 2015 #276

It's amazing how folks here think the only way to access old DU posts is to "catalog" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #278

I never said it was the only way. merrily Jan 2015 #279

trumad is hanging onto the notion that Francis is a bigot. trumad Jan 2015 #303

Yeah,right. Pointing out hypocrisy is flame bait. n/t pnwmom Jan 2015 #101

we are protective of people who happen to be muslim roguevalley Jan 2015 #269

If we love people, free will and free speech we should be equally protective of all people, pnwmom Jan 2015 #277

absolutely roguevalley Jan 2015 #289

And yet pnwmom Jan 2015 #308

Muslims are more vulnerable... Blanks Jan 2015 #321

And Jews? They are a religious minority both here and in the mideast. pnwmom Jan 2015 #336

There's not much tolerance for anti-semitism... Blanks Jan 2015 #340

brilliant point, pnwmom. I abhor all of it. I think people hate the thing they were/are and the roguevalley Jan 2015 #338

Alert it. Or quit whining. Nt Logical Jan 2015 #171

thanks Dad trumad Jan 2015 #218

Sure son, you have been a huge disappointment! nt Logical Jan 2015 #243

Well you cheated on Mom. trumad Jan 2015 #245

:-) nt Logical Jan 2015 #299

+1 This is something you would see at the Discussionist bahrbearian Jan 2015 #225

Then alert, dear trumad. sibelian Jan 2015 #349

Yeah, stoning people to death for being gay isn't very progressive. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #3

Well said. Nt cwydro Jan 2015 #19

How do you rec a post? LincolnsLeftHand Jan 2015 #83

+1. obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2015 #129

MOST Muslims don't do those things. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #161

Therefore we cannot criticize those that do FrodosPet Jan 2015 #260

Most Christians don't do the things that a few whackos do, also..?? Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #285

It's John Kennedys fault trumad Jan 2015 #219

who killed Kennedy? ellenrr Jan 2015 #372

You know why. (n/t) Seeking Serenity Jan 2015 #5

Yes, all 1.6 billion of them are what you describe whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #6

As 1 of a billion+ Catholics, I hope you see the irony in post joeglow3 Jan 2015 #172

I really don't whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #175

Extremely negative things are said of Catholics here daily joeglow3 Jan 2015 #176

I don't say those things whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #177

Not 1.6 billion, but probably more than 1 billion on most of those. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #210

That's because the question is mis-stated, the question is why progressives support bemildred Jan 2015 #7

And protect victims even more! jen1980 Jan 2015 #29

Being incoherent won't help either. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #9

Unspoken evidence exists regardless of its obviousness seveneyes Jan 2015 #10

Perhaps it's because many can't distinguish between a so-called Sopkoviak Jan 2015 #11

times a thousand! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #31

and then some! TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #335

Well stated. (nt) SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #115

post rec Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #148

Yup leftynyc Jan 2015 #215

You are absolutely right get the red out Jan 2015 #226

I'm in agreement JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #230

Oh yeah leftynyc Jan 2015 #236

No one (religion) should get a pass... haikugal Jan 2015 #352

Oh, you'll see trashing of leftynyc Jan 2015 #353

I'm not so sure it is getting a pass... haikugal Jan 2015 #356

You haven't been here very leftynyc Jan 2015 #359

Actually I've been here since 2006... haikugal Jan 2015 #366

Thank you.... sibelian Jan 2015 #350

You can't blame an entire.... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #12

Because we're aware of what happens when an entire class of people is demonized Scootaloo Jan 2015 #13

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #16

It happens every time Scootaloo Jan 2015 #27

Well-spotted, Scootaloo. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #17

Well said. Hoofbump. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2015 #25

Brilliantly put. herding cats Jan 2015 #33

And there it is with plenty of links to back it up. freshwest Jan 2015 #165

Thank you, freshwest. herding cats Jan 2015 #178

I always think it's media induced. Or RWNJ induced. To create discord and steal power. freshwest Jan 2015 #189

This. n/t Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #46

^^THIS^^ I wish I could Rec your post. n/t Avalux Jan 2015 #53

Thank you Scootaloo Alameda Jan 2015 #73

Well said! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #78

So fucking true, Scoot! Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #86

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #90

You had to yank real hard to pull that out of what anyone on this thread said. MADem Jan 2015 #114

if that's what I meant, it's what I would have said Scootaloo Jan 2015 #120

how about a muslim baker who would bake a cake for a gay couple ? JI7 Jan 2015 #142

How about a gay Muslim? Or one who ridicules the fundamentalists? freshwest Jan 2015 #188

Have you considered looking into using a baker that sticks to baking? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #209

+1 beaglelover Jan 2015 #247

Do Christians not kill in the name of religion? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #322

too far removed Quayblue Jan 2015 #371

+1,000,0001 or whatever it is, Scootaloo. closeupready Jan 2015 #108

Again, I must thank you for your posts CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #109

Excellent post. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #144

Some of my best friends are from Muslim cultures, and my teacher was traumatized by terrorists cascadiance Jan 2015 #164

+100000000! Ken Burch Jan 2015 #166

+1000. nt adirondacker Jan 2015 #204

thank for being a voice of reason - today much of DU might as well be Stormfront Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #214

As usual. Puglover Jan 2015 #229

That's it exactly. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #259

Thank you. This makes sense. None of us condone what happened in France but it was three men jwirr Jan 2015 #264

Another nail hit on the head by Scootaloo. Well done. merrily Jan 2015 #274

+100000 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #287

The OP isn't demonizing a class of people... MellowDem Jan 2015 #291

Yes, parts of Islamic texts are a bit over the top, but so are parts of the bible too... cascadiance Jan 2015 #345

I think Christianity is shit.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #346

Thanks for that...n/t haikugal Jan 2015 #355

I'm an agnostic because I really can't swallow a whole religion's "teachings" as "truth"... cascadiance Jan 2015 #373

Exactly, and each Muslim bashing (for lack of a better word) post or thread lumps all Muslims randys1 Jan 2015 #328

Well said! n/t ozone_man Jan 2015 #337

Another +1 here gollygee Jan 2015 #361

A few points. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #21

A select group of atheists... haikugal Jan 2015 #358

Elevatorgate. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #360

Dawkins? haikugal Jan 2015 #364

Dawkins was the only one who went after Rebecca Watson. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #365

Christianity starts with a C and not an I.... k? thx uponit7771 Jan 2015 #24

because #notallreligiouspeople n/t LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #26

Islam deserves to be mocked like all religions, see Charlie on point Jan 2015 #30

I'm not. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #35

I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Catholics jeff47 Jan 2015 #36

A lot of progressives can't shit on Catholicism fast enough every chance they get. Throd Jan 2015 #37

And this thread demonstrates a lot of "progressives" can't shit on Muslims fast enough. jeff47 Jan 2015 #38

I will "shit on" anyone who stones people to death for being gay. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #39

Then you better eat a lot of fiber. 'Cause you won't only be shitting on Muslims. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #41

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #57

lol, ayup. closeupready Jan 2015 #119

That was a really bad hide. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #150

Me too. It would have had to have been close. closeupready Jan 2015 #151

I'm going to ask scoot for the results. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #174

Here ya go: Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #186

you alerted on it yourself? grasswire Jan 2015 #192

LOL. I missed that when I read the alert. If that's the case, it makes it even more pathetic n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #195

Thanks. As I thought it was a pathetic alert. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #193

You're welcome (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jan 2015 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #203

I wouldn't say that the DU jury system is about "righting wrongs" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #221

I really appreciate when jury members take the time to give an explanation. eom grossproffit Jan 2015 #222

So show me some stories LincolnsLeftHand Jan 2015 #92

Ever hear of Matthew Sheppard? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #94

What? 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #298

They were churchgoing folk. jeff47 Jan 2015 #324

Matthew's killers were caught, prosecuted and sentenced to life ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #323

Yeah, we'd never let someone get away with torture, as long jeff47 Jan 2015 #325

Boy, you fled for cover quickly after your example was quickly picked apart ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #326

Keep telling yourself that. jeff47 Jan 2015 #339

I never argued that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #343

Plenty of people have been killed for being gay or an adulterer by non-Muslims. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #167

check out scott lively drray23 Jan 2015 #179

I can attest to the truth of what you write based on my personal experiences KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #187

I've been a Christian all of my life and I've never heard anyone say that. Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #282

Yes, it was only this one time, but it frankly scared the shit out of me. A little more of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #290

That's my experience if you leave off the Evangelical and substitute Unitarian. amandabeech Jan 2015 #369

So is it better if they drag them to death behind their pickups? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #91

Knock yourself out, I'm an atheist. I'm against all violent ideologies, religious and secular. Throd Jan 2015 #44

There's militant atheists too. jeff47 Jan 2015 #49

Nobody wants to hang out with militant atheist guy. He's a real downer. Throd Jan 2015 #58

Those were more statists than atheists, IMO jeff47 Jan 2015 #61

Same shit, different flavor. Throd Jan 2015 #76

Link to militant atheists? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #60

Reading. Try it. jeff47 Jan 2015 #63

There's supposed to be some population threshold that has to be reached... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #145

Radicalism feeds on itself. jeff47 Jan 2015 #251

The problem is that atheism, as a group, worldwide, isn't a minuscule minority... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #316

Then what evidence do you have that that will occur? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #173

Radicalism feeds on itself. jeff47 Jan 2015 #252

I've already seen that future....it involves otters... tritsofme Jan 2015 #74

Okay, your headline is in the present tense... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #309

They have the right to shit on any religion, pennylane100 Jan 2015 #149

Not a crime but it is bigoted Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #181

I absolutely agree with you, it is absolutely bigoted. pennylane100 Jan 2015 #295

Really? I cannot recall seeing a post slamming the entire Catholic laity. merrily Jan 2015 #272

Are you saying that you are not progressive? If so, what are you? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #368

They're not. egduj Jan 2015 #43

Not so. Where do Catholics out and out control the government treestar Jan 2015 #85

Believe it or not, there are more countries in the world than the US and the Middle East. jeff47 Jan 2015 #93

Ireland was not a theocracy treestar Jan 2015 #152

Ireland's war is more political than religious. Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #283

That doesn't make sense, would Proposition 8 in California have passed without... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #362

When an OP on DU calling the Catholic Church "the Mafia on Steroids" gets 134 recs Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #96

Aren't you being protective of Catholics right now? jeff47 Jan 2015 #98

No, I am not opining on the merits of Trumad's "Pope Francis is a bigoted son of a bitch" thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #102

Because you were responding to an OP, and not a post mocking an OP jeff47 Jan 2015 #103

The OP in this thread was about Islam. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #107

Again, the specific religions are not relevant. jeff47 Jan 2015 #110

Again. I was not lamenting, nor praising, Trumad's anti-Catholic thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #112

And if you'd bother reading, you'd realize that was not the claim being made. jeff47 Jan 2015 #116

Sorry. When you said "I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Catholics" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #118

Because the post was a single sentence. jeff47 Jan 2015 #123

Religious privilege is why... MellowDem Jan 2015 #292

Freedom of religion is a very progressive idea procon Jan 2015 #40

It's not that progressives are so protective of Islam MohRokTah Jan 2015 #42

There it is! MADem Jan 2015 #124

Yep, I am going to paraphrase and post on Facebook because this is how I feel. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #256

Are you really? It wasn't that great of a post. Quantess Jan 2015 #318

That's why I'm paraphrasing. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #319

Oh, good. (No text) Quantess Jan 2015 #320

Yep... randys1 Jan 2015 #329

Interesting. Right now, Rachel cwydro Jan 2015 #45

Go back a couple decades, and it would be dominated by Catholics jeff47 Jan 2015 #54

I'm well aware of the IRA. cwydro Jan 2015 #62

And soon it will be tomorrow, and a new group will dominate violence. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #64

Yes, cwydro Jan 2015 #66

I'm betting on Judaism. The right in Israel are getting pretty scary. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #69

I will agree with you on that. The right is out of control. cwydro Jan 2015 #79

Yes, if you are willing to dimiss the hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements closeupready Jan 2015 #113

Well, perhaps I stated it poorly. cwydro Jan 2015 #117

Oh, ok, thanks, understood. closeupready Jan 2015 #121

Ask Yitzhak Rabin about that... n/t bobclark86 Jan 2015 #305

Not about religion per se treestar Jan 2015 #87

Their religion was a very important part of the "not British". (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #89

Ummm... if the Anglican Church had suddenly decided to accept transubstantiation, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #97

Except a large part of Irish national identity is their Catholicism. jeff47 Jan 2015 #99

OK. So if the UK had happened to have been a Catholic country, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #104

No, but nice job slaughtering that strawman. jeff47 Jan 2015 #106

That was a valid point treestar Jan 2015 #157

Ireland let a woman die instead of letting her get an abortion jeff47 Jan 2015 #254

No, whatever happened there happened due to the Irish legal system treestar Jan 2015 #258

Then Islam doesn't have that kind of power either. jeff47 Jan 2015 #268

Yes it does treestar Jan 2015 #347

Boy so much ignorance in one post. closeupready Jan 2015 #354

You're claiming Saudi Arabia is not a theocracy? treestar Jan 2015 #370

There's also that whole CELTIC thing.... MADem Jan 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Jan 2015 #131

Or any Catholics anywhere else treestar Jan 2015 #156

It was part of their culture treestar Jan 2015 #155

Some use religion to gain power over other people. That does not mean liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #47

We see it as the enemy of Christianity which is associated with the GOP. ileus Jan 2015 #48

Guess you could ask why they are protective of any dumbass religion that promotes oppression whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #50

I guess that's because you never heard of internment camps. closeupready Jan 2015 #51

my atheist daughter is dating a Jewish boy. He isn't really religious but he went to a museum and liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #56

Thank you for posting this. closeupready Jan 2015 #105

I think many progressive thinkers protect themselves from RELIGION... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #52

We are not protective, we are tolerant and inclusive. Avalux Jan 2015 #55

Yeehaw, let's go shoot 'em up instead! Lex Jan 2015 #59

Progressives should be against broadbrush attacks on all muslims Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #65

Against Attacks on Christians and Jews Too? Simple? davidsilver Jan 2015 #68

That ones a given already Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #75

Although I am not an observant Jew davidsilver Jan 2015 #100

I agree with you but it's clear 19 DUers dont Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #127

Yes. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #77

Has to do with: some P.C.-ism UTUSN Jan 2015 #67

What does 'protective of Islam' mean? It is, after all, one of the 3 great branches of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #70

I'm not the OP, but I'm fine with that cover. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #95

Do you speak or read French? If not, the white headline text says KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #136

And the little pink box says "Killings in Egypt"... SidDithers Jan 2015 #153

In that case, the cartoon is not only bigoted, but stupid. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #212

I can see why Muslims would find that insulting, but killing 12 people because of that? randys1 Jan 2015 #331

As far as I know, the OP never returned to respond to any of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #344

what a despicable post Alameda Jan 2015 #71

bingo Lex Jan 2015 #72

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #82

+ infinity CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #111

Yeah, this is just not DU's finest hour. I've seen some comments that MADem Jan 2015 #130

I completely agree. nt Union Scribe Jan 2015 #138

Only one hidden post in this entire thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #162

I've seen some hair-curling (or straightening) comments in other threads. MADem Jan 2015 #170

That was a pathetic hide Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #180

Have you been alerting on them? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #182

That's none of ur business n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #185

Good for you. Puglover Jan 2015 #233

Did YOU report/alert someone for telling YOU you were full of shit? randys1 Jan 2015 #330

In the words of Violet Crumble Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #332

so yes...i know who goes on my jury blacklist...just so you know, I would NEVER do that randys1 Jan 2015 #333

I would never call any DUer either of those things. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #334

I agree. People have no idea how damaging their comments were to DU today. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #183

I personally think Puglover Jan 2015 #232

HA! That's a thread winner! MADem Jan 2015 #246

Agreed. Puglover Jan 2015 #253

Very few people on DU have much knowledge about Islam YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #286

What a stupid post.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #293

I'm against Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #80

I am not protective but I am not willing to throw all Muslims under the bus because some have hrmjustin Jan 2015 #81

this is why... Alameda Jan 2015 #84

Thank you. DU is becoming a scary place lately. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #122

Do you believe that all the Muslims in the world will be rounded up and killed? SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #126

Maybe not all in the world. But all in Europe and the UK...a real possibility. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #211

In your dreams. SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #374

There's a fundamental difference between the two.. Xithras Jan 2015 #134

There's not large groups of German Muslims blowing things up etc Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #135

listen to yourself, you are actually justifying Alameda Jan 2015 #169

This may be the best god-damned cartoon I've seen in forever. Hits KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #137

Thank you for posting this! DU has not been very friendly to Muslims today. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #139

Wonderful illustration. Thanks for posting that. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #168

+1 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #284

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jan 2015 #125

I'm trying not to broad brush like Maher ecstatic Jan 2015 #132

I think you will find a good percentage of folks on DU not giving anyone a free pass, especially if still_one Jan 2015 #133

True progressives stand against any type of terrorists - Remember Oklahoma City? dem in texas Jan 2015 #140

Because the RW dislikes Islam. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #141

Not everyone is here. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #147

Oh yes, I meant those who escaped the reeducation camps. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #158

I meant my cousin who was killed in the Iraq war. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #160

touche nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #163

Wow, with only one word you have managed to post SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #288

Me admitting that people died needlessly in war is disgusting? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #304

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. I tried my best to stop the madness both KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #190

Thank you! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #224

I apologize for that poster, they lack that ability. Rex Jan 2015 #244

Thank you. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #248

Makes you wonder what some folks dream about all day. adirondacker Jan 2015 #311

Great observation woolldog Jan 2015 #143

I'm not especially "protective" or reverent toward any religion. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #146

Not being protective...being antiwar... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #154

What, exactly, would you have us do? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #159

this is a ridiculously bigoted and ignorant post and i have no idea how it survived a jury unblock Jan 2015 #184

As disturbing as the OP itself is the fact that some 26 people KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #191

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to write religious bigoted posts on GD. What's not liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #194

Based on many of the responses WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #196

The OP condemns an entire religion, not just the fundamentalists. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #198

Condemning Islam is not the same thing as condemning Muslims. WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #200

Female Muslims in Western countries enjoy a lot of freedom, and those who live in liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #201

It's not about "good" or "bad." WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #205

Religions do change over time. That is one of the things that fundamentalists try to fight, but it liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #206

The objection is to equating a culture with its extremists bhikkhu Jan 2015 #199

I lived in Libya as a kid MFM008 Jan 2015 #202

I don't protect the Wahabbi cult JonLP24 Jan 2015 #208

not a single response from the OP Enrique Jan 2015 #213

like i said... trumad Jan 2015 #220

262 replies (including 11 from Trumad), 39 recs, and only one hidden post..... Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #223

For Bigots... trumad Jan 2015 #231

And calling the Catholic church "the Mafia on steroids" and the Pope "a son of a bitch" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #234

What calling a bigot a bigot means I'm a bigot? trumad Jan 2015 #240

"Mafia on steroids"? Slurring an entire religion as an organized crime organization? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #242

entire? trumad Jan 2015 #249

You did not use the phrase "a few" or the word "some" in your "Mafia on steroids" post (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #250

OK---how about many? trumad Jan 2015 #257

Are you stunned that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich, and the Kennedys, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #262

You keep using that same meme over and over and over. trumad Jan 2015 #265

"Meme"? Or "fact"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #266

Antonin Scalia is a current member as well..... trumad Jan 2015 #267

Me too! get the red out Jan 2015 #216

I suspect many of us are protective of Muslims not of Islam. pampango Jan 2015 #217

Define 'protective'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #228

i don't religion to be a progressive concept. KG Jan 2015 #235

Mild fatwa envy on your part Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #237

I continue to wonder why centrists are so protective of the Third Way think tank. Rex Jan 2015 #238

YES!!! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #241

I think all religions are goofy gwheezie Jan 2015 #255

Because there are assholes out there who conflate extremists with believers... Orsino Jan 2015 #261

I think progressives are protective of all people. dawg Jan 2015 #263

You need to turn off the FAUX "news". nt TBF Jan 2015 #270

All religion is fucking dumb LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #271

I've progressed beyond being protective of any religion. Iggo Jan 2015 #280

I guess I met Muslim people long before it was fashionable to hate them. Cleita Jan 2015 #281

Are you fucking serious? SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #294

+1 trumad Jan 2015 #301

We aren't as protective of Christianity... MellowDem Jan 2015 #306

"We" is a pretty broad term... I'm not "protective" of any religion. SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #312

ummmm that is what the OP is saying m-lekktor Jan 2015 #310

No, what the OP said was that Muslims are SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #314

"They are sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, pro-theocracy and anti-free speech" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #327

Well according to your ilk I have no choice SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #348

Because Islam is not the problem; extremism is. alarimer Jan 2015 #296

Well, the text of your post says it: Islam IS the problem (other religions too) Albertoo Jan 2015 #341

They are a very small minority LittleBlue Jan 2015 #297

I continue to wonder why alleged progressives indulge in Islam-bashing KamaAina Jan 2015 #307

it's trendy now - awhile it go it wasn't so trendy - Their liberalism and their progressivism Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #313

It's an embarrassment that Islam continues to get a free pass. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #315

Agree. It's weird. DU (and plenty of other liberals) get so strange about Islam. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #317

Some good reasons, some profoundly stupid ones Prism Jan 2015 #342

. sibelian Jan 2015 #351

No. We're protective of Freedom of Religion. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #357

I think you are mistaking the American left rejecting the demonizing of millions of karynnj Jan 2015 #363