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290. Yes, it was only this one time, but it frankly scared the shit out of me. A little more of the

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:52 PM

Jan 2015

back story: this guy and I had been 'friends' of sorts while attending undergrad and majoring in English. After he and I had earned our respective B.A.s, he went on to law school while I chose grad school. As undergrads, John had been a very amiable and nice fellow and his girlfriend (who would become his fiance and subsequently his wife) Angie was also very amiable and a mainstream Catholic. Something happened to John and Angie after they graduated from undergrad; near as I can tell, they fell in with what I can only characterize as some sort of cult-like evangelical-charismatic sect. (I believe it's called 'Four Square' or some such, but can't remember now for certain.) I remember when I bumped into him and he made the comment about burning gays to death, John had this crazed look in his eye. It was truly an eerie experience.

OTOH, I now have a Methodist minister on my Facebook list who's even more radical than I (and certainly not homophobic in the slightest), so I agree with you that my experience way back when was as much the exception as the norm. But those folks are out there (my original objective in responding) and I know b/c I met one of them in person.

This whole episode took place in, IIRC, 1984 as the AIDs epidemic was starting to become public knowledge but about 15-odd years after gay liberation had really taken hold.

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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam [View all] bluestateguy Jan 2015 OP

Underdogma. Throd Jan 2015 #1

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flame bait trumad Jan 2015 #2

And what is calling the Catholic religion "one of the most offensive organizations that has ever existed"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #8

Uhh what...this op isn't flame bait? trumad Jan 2015 #14

And your OP calling Pope Francis a "bigoted son of a bitch" was not? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #15

nope trumad Jan 2015 #18

Wow Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #300

Not even close. trumad Jan 2015 #302

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #367

DUZY Lulz Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #34

lmfao RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #227

134, not 133 NoGOPZone Jan 2015 #20

And you would probably not have added a rec to a post calling a Muslim cleric a "son of a bitch". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #22

you could start one to see if I would NoGOPZone Jan 2015 #28

LOL trumad Jan 2015 #32

People really hang on to almost-2-year-old posts??? ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #239

A 2013 post? Geez. merrily Jan 2015 #273

Trumad appears to be standing by his "Pope Francis is a son of a bitch" thread. (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #275

I was referring to your cataloguing of posts and hanging on to stuff, not to merrily Jan 2015 #276

It's amazing how folks here think the only way to access old DU posts is to "catalog" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #278

I never said it was the only way. merrily Jan 2015 #279

trumad is hanging onto the notion that Francis is a bigot. trumad Jan 2015 #303

Yeah,right. Pointing out hypocrisy is flame bait. n/t pnwmom Jan 2015 #101

we are protective of people who happen to be muslim roguevalley Jan 2015 #269

If we love people, free will and free speech we should be equally protective of all people, pnwmom Jan 2015 #277

absolutely roguevalley Jan 2015 #289

And yet pnwmom Jan 2015 #308

Muslims are more vulnerable... Blanks Jan 2015 #321

And Jews? They are a religious minority both here and in the mideast. pnwmom Jan 2015 #336

There's not much tolerance for anti-semitism... Blanks Jan 2015 #340

brilliant point, pnwmom. I abhor all of it. I think people hate the thing they were/are and the roguevalley Jan 2015 #338

Alert it. Or quit whining. Nt Logical Jan 2015 #171

thanks Dad trumad Jan 2015 #218

Sure son, you have been a huge disappointment! nt Logical Jan 2015 #243

Well you cheated on Mom. trumad Jan 2015 #245

:-) nt Logical Jan 2015 #299

+1 This is something you would see at the Discussionist bahrbearian Jan 2015 #225

Then alert, dear trumad. sibelian Jan 2015 #349

Yeah, stoning people to death for being gay isn't very progressive. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #3

Well said. Nt cwydro Jan 2015 #19

How do you rec a post? LincolnsLeftHand Jan 2015 #83

+1. obnoxiousdrunk Jan 2015 #129

MOST Muslims don't do those things. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #161

Therefore we cannot criticize those that do FrodosPet Jan 2015 #260

Most Christians don't do the things that a few whackos do, also..?? Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #285

It's John Kennedys fault trumad Jan 2015 #219

who killed Kennedy? ellenrr Jan 2015 #372

You know why. (n/t) Seeking Serenity Jan 2015 #5

Yes, all 1.6 billion of them are what you describe whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #6

As 1 of a billion+ Catholics, I hope you see the irony in post joeglow3 Jan 2015 #172

I really don't whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #175

Extremely negative things are said of Catholics here daily joeglow3 Jan 2015 #176

I don't say those things whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #177

Not 1.6 billion, but probably more than 1 billion on most of those. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #210

That's because the question is mis-stated, the question is why progressives support bemildred Jan 2015 #7

And protect victims even more! jen1980 Jan 2015 #29

Being incoherent won't help either. nt bemildred Jan 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #9

Unspoken evidence exists regardless of its obviousness seveneyes Jan 2015 #10

Perhaps it's because many can't distinguish between a so-called Sopkoviak Jan 2015 #11

times a thousand! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #31

and then some! TorchTheWitch Jan 2015 #335

Well stated. (nt) SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #115

post rec Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #148

Yup leftynyc Jan 2015 #215

You are absolutely right get the red out Jan 2015 #226

I'm in agreement JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #230

Oh yeah leftynyc Jan 2015 #236

No one (religion) should get a pass... haikugal Jan 2015 #352

Oh, you'll see trashing of leftynyc Jan 2015 #353

I'm not so sure it is getting a pass... haikugal Jan 2015 #356

You haven't been here very leftynyc Jan 2015 #359

Actually I've been here since 2006... haikugal Jan 2015 #366

Thank you.... sibelian Jan 2015 #350

You can't blame an entire.... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #12

Because we're aware of what happens when an entire class of people is demonized Scootaloo Jan 2015 #13

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #16

It happens every time Scootaloo Jan 2015 #27

Well-spotted, Scootaloo. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #17

Well said. Hoofbump. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #23

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2015 #25

Brilliantly put. herding cats Jan 2015 #33

And there it is with plenty of links to back it up. freshwest Jan 2015 #165

Thank you, freshwest. herding cats Jan 2015 #178

I always think it's media induced. Or RWNJ induced. To create discord and steal power. freshwest Jan 2015 #189

This. n/t Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #46

^^THIS^^ I wish I could Rec your post. n/t Avalux Jan 2015 #53

Thank you Scootaloo Alameda Jan 2015 #73

Well said! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #78

So fucking true, Scoot! Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #86

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #90

You had to yank real hard to pull that out of what anyone on this thread said. MADem Jan 2015 #114

if that's what I meant, it's what I would have said Scootaloo Jan 2015 #120

how about a muslim baker who would bake a cake for a gay couple ? JI7 Jan 2015 #142

How about a gay Muslim? Or one who ridicules the fundamentalists? freshwest Jan 2015 #188

Have you considered looking into using a baker that sticks to baking? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #209

+1 beaglelover Jan 2015 #247

Do Christians not kill in the name of religion? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #322

too far removed Quayblue Jan 2015 #371

+1,000,0001 or whatever it is, Scootaloo. closeupready Jan 2015 #108

Again, I must thank you for your posts CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #109

Excellent post. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #144

Some of my best friends are from Muslim cultures, and my teacher was traumatized by terrorists cascadiance Jan 2015 #164

+100000000! Ken Burch Jan 2015 #166

+1000. nt adirondacker Jan 2015 #204

thank for being a voice of reason - today much of DU might as well be Stormfront Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #214

As usual. Puglover Jan 2015 #229

That's it exactly. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #259

Thank you. This makes sense. None of us condone what happened in France but it was three men jwirr Jan 2015 #264

Another nail hit on the head by Scootaloo. Well done. merrily Jan 2015 #274

+100000 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #287

The OP isn't demonizing a class of people... MellowDem Jan 2015 #291

Yes, parts of Islamic texts are a bit over the top, but so are parts of the bible too... cascadiance Jan 2015 #345

I think Christianity is shit.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #346

Thanks for that...n/t haikugal Jan 2015 #355

I'm an agnostic because I really can't swallow a whole religion's "teachings" as "truth"... cascadiance Jan 2015 #373

Exactly, and each Muslim bashing (for lack of a better word) post or thread lumps all Muslims randys1 Jan 2015 #328

Well said! n/t ozone_man Jan 2015 #337

Another +1 here gollygee Jan 2015 #361

A few points. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #21

A select group of atheists... haikugal Jan 2015 #358

Elevatorgate. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #360

Dawkins? haikugal Jan 2015 #364

Dawkins was the only one who went after Rebecca Watson. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #365

Christianity starts with a C and not an I.... k? thx uponit7771 Jan 2015 #24

because #notallreligiouspeople n/t LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #26

Islam deserves to be mocked like all religions, see Charlie on point Jan 2015 #30

I'm not. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #35

I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Catholics jeff47 Jan 2015 #36

A lot of progressives can't shit on Catholicism fast enough every chance they get. Throd Jan 2015 #37

And this thread demonstrates a lot of "progressives" can't shit on Muslims fast enough. jeff47 Jan 2015 #38

I will "shit on" anyone who stones people to death for being gay. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #39

Then you better eat a lot of fiber. 'Cause you won't only be shitting on Muslims. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #41

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #57

lol, ayup. closeupready Jan 2015 #119

That was a really bad hide. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #150

Me too. It would have had to have been close. closeupready Jan 2015 #151

I'm going to ask scoot for the results. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #174

Here ya go: Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #186

you alerted on it yourself? grasswire Jan 2015 #192

LOL. I missed that when I read the alert. If that's the case, it makes it even more pathetic n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #195

Thanks. As I thought it was a pathetic alert. Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #193

You're welcome (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #197

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jan 2015 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #203

I wouldn't say that the DU jury system is about "righting wrongs" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #221

I really appreciate when jury members take the time to give an explanation. eom grossproffit Jan 2015 #222

So show me some stories LincolnsLeftHand Jan 2015 #92

Ever hear of Matthew Sheppard? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #94

What? 4Q2u2 Jan 2015 #298

They were churchgoing folk. jeff47 Jan 2015 #324

Matthew's killers were caught, prosecuted and sentenced to life ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #323

Yeah, we'd never let someone get away with torture, as long jeff47 Jan 2015 #325

Boy, you fled for cover quickly after your example was quickly picked apart ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #326

Keep telling yourself that. jeff47 Jan 2015 #339

I never argued that ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2015 #343

Plenty of people have been killed for being gay or an adulterer by non-Muslims. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #167

check out scott lively drray23 Jan 2015 #179

I can attest to the truth of what you write based on my personal experiences KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #187

I've been a Christian all of my life and I've never heard anyone say that. Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #282

Yes, it was only this one time, but it frankly scared the shit out of me. A little more of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #290

That's my experience if you leave off the Evangelical and substitute Unitarian. amandabeech Jan 2015 #369

So is it better if they drag them to death behind their pickups? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #91

Knock yourself out, I'm an atheist. I'm against all violent ideologies, religious and secular. Throd Jan 2015 #44

There's militant atheists too. jeff47 Jan 2015 #49

Nobody wants to hang out with militant atheist guy. He's a real downer. Throd Jan 2015 #58

Those were more statists than atheists, IMO jeff47 Jan 2015 #61

Same shit, different flavor. Throd Jan 2015 #76

Link to militant atheists? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #60

Reading. Try it. jeff47 Jan 2015 #63

There's supposed to be some population threshold that has to be reached... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #145

Radicalism feeds on itself. jeff47 Jan 2015 #251

The problem is that atheism, as a group, worldwide, isn't a minuscule minority... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #316

Then what evidence do you have that that will occur? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #173

Radicalism feeds on itself. jeff47 Jan 2015 #252

I've already seen that future....it involves otters... tritsofme Jan 2015 #74

Okay, your headline is in the present tense... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #309

They have the right to shit on any religion, pennylane100 Jan 2015 #149

Not a crime but it is bigoted Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #181

I absolutely agree with you, it is absolutely bigoted. pennylane100 Jan 2015 #295

Really? I cannot recall seeing a post slamming the entire Catholic laity. merrily Jan 2015 #272

Are you saying that you are not progressive? If so, what are you? nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #368

They're not. egduj Jan 2015 #43

Not so. Where do Catholics out and out control the government treestar Jan 2015 #85

Believe it or not, there are more countries in the world than the US and the Middle East. jeff47 Jan 2015 #93

Ireland was not a theocracy treestar Jan 2015 #152

Ireland's war is more political than religious. Red State Rebel Jan 2015 #283

That doesn't make sense, would Proposition 8 in California have passed without... Humanist_Activist Jan 2015 #362

When an OP on DU calling the Catholic Church "the Mafia on Steroids" gets 134 recs Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #96

Aren't you being protective of Catholics right now? jeff47 Jan 2015 #98

No, I am not opining on the merits of Trumad's "Pope Francis is a bigoted son of a bitch" thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #102

Because you were responding to an OP, and not a post mocking an OP jeff47 Jan 2015 #103

The OP in this thread was about Islam. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #107

Again, the specific religions are not relevant. jeff47 Jan 2015 #110

Again. I was not lamenting, nor praising, Trumad's anti-Catholic thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #112

And if you'd bother reading, you'd realize that was not the claim being made. jeff47 Jan 2015 #116

Sorry. When you said "I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Catholics" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #118

Because the post was a single sentence. jeff47 Jan 2015 #123

Religious privilege is why... MellowDem Jan 2015 #292

Freedom of religion is a very progressive idea procon Jan 2015 #40

It's not that progressives are so protective of Islam MohRokTah Jan 2015 #42

There it is! MADem Jan 2015 #124

Yep, I am going to paraphrase and post on Facebook because this is how I feel. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #256

Are you really? It wasn't that great of a post. Quantess Jan 2015 #318

That's why I'm paraphrasing. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #319

Oh, good. (No text) Quantess Jan 2015 #320

Yep... randys1 Jan 2015 #329

Interesting. Right now, Rachel cwydro Jan 2015 #45

Go back a couple decades, and it would be dominated by Catholics jeff47 Jan 2015 #54

I'm well aware of the IRA. cwydro Jan 2015 #62

And soon it will be tomorrow, and a new group will dominate violence. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #64

Yes, cwydro Jan 2015 #66

I'm betting on Judaism. The right in Israel are getting pretty scary. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #69

I will agree with you on that. The right is out of control. cwydro Jan 2015 #79

Yes, if you are willing to dimiss the hundreds of illegal Israeli settlements closeupready Jan 2015 #113

Well, perhaps I stated it poorly. cwydro Jan 2015 #117

Oh, ok, thanks, understood. closeupready Jan 2015 #121

Ask Yitzhak Rabin about that... n/t bobclark86 Jan 2015 #305

Not about religion per se treestar Jan 2015 #87

Their religion was a very important part of the "not British". (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #89

Ummm... if the Anglican Church had suddenly decided to accept transubstantiation, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #97

Except a large part of Irish national identity is their Catholicism. jeff47 Jan 2015 #99

OK. So if the UK had happened to have been a Catholic country, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #104

No, but nice job slaughtering that strawman. jeff47 Jan 2015 #106

That was a valid point treestar Jan 2015 #157

Ireland let a woman die instead of letting her get an abortion jeff47 Jan 2015 #254

No, whatever happened there happened due to the Irish legal system treestar Jan 2015 #258

Then Islam doesn't have that kind of power either. jeff47 Jan 2015 #268

Yes it does treestar Jan 2015 #347

Boy so much ignorance in one post. closeupready Jan 2015 #354

You're claiming Saudi Arabia is not a theocracy? treestar Jan 2015 #370

There's also that whole CELTIC thing.... MADem Jan 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Jan 2015 #131

Or any Catholics anywhere else treestar Jan 2015 #156

It was part of their culture treestar Jan 2015 #155

Some use religion to gain power over other people. That does not mean liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #47

We see it as the enemy of Christianity which is associated with the GOP. ileus Jan 2015 #48

Guess you could ask why they are protective of any dumbass religion that promotes oppression whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #50

I guess that's because you never heard of internment camps. closeupready Jan 2015 #51

my atheist daughter is dating a Jewish boy. He isn't really religious but he went to a museum and liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #56

Thank you for posting this. closeupready Jan 2015 #105

I think many progressive thinkers protect themselves from RELIGION... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #52

We are not protective, we are tolerant and inclusive. Avalux Jan 2015 #55

Yeehaw, let's go shoot 'em up instead! Lex Jan 2015 #59

Progressives should be against broadbrush attacks on all muslims Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #65

Against Attacks on Christians and Jews Too? Simple? davidsilver Jan 2015 #68

That ones a given already Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #75

Although I am not an observant Jew davidsilver Jan 2015 #100

I agree with you but it's clear 19 DUers dont Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #127

Yes. n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2015 #77

Has to do with: some P.C.-ism UTUSN Jan 2015 #67

What does 'protective of Islam' mean? It is, after all, one of the 3 great branches of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #70

I'm not the OP, but I'm fine with that cover. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #95

Do you speak or read French? If not, the white headline text says KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #136

And the little pink box says "Killings in Egypt"... SidDithers Jan 2015 #153

In that case, the cartoon is not only bigoted, but stupid. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #212

I can see why Muslims would find that insulting, but killing 12 people because of that? randys1 Jan 2015 #331

As far as I know, the OP never returned to respond to any of the KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #344

what a despicable post Alameda Jan 2015 #71

bingo Lex Jan 2015 #72

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #82

+ infinity CrawlingChaos Jan 2015 #111

Yeah, this is just not DU's finest hour. I've seen some comments that MADem Jan 2015 #130

I completely agree. nt Union Scribe Jan 2015 #138

Only one hidden post in this entire thread. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #162

I've seen some hair-curling (or straightening) comments in other threads. MADem Jan 2015 #170

That was a pathetic hide Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #180

Have you been alerting on them? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #182

That's none of ur business n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #185

Good for you. Puglover Jan 2015 #233

Did YOU report/alert someone for telling YOU you were full of shit? randys1 Jan 2015 #330

In the words of Violet Crumble Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #332

so yes...i know who goes on my jury blacklist...just so you know, I would NEVER do that randys1 Jan 2015 #333

I would never call any DUer either of those things. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #334

I agree. People have no idea how damaging their comments were to DU today. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #183

I personally think Puglover Jan 2015 #232

HA! That's a thread winner! MADem Jan 2015 #246

Agreed. Puglover Jan 2015 #253

Very few people on DU have much knowledge about Islam YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #286

What a stupid post.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #293

I'm against Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #80

I am not protective but I am not willing to throw all Muslims under the bus because some have hrmjustin Jan 2015 #81

this is why... Alameda Jan 2015 #84

Thank you. DU is becoming a scary place lately. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #122

Do you believe that all the Muslims in the world will be rounded up and killed? SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #126

Maybe not all in the world. But all in Europe and the UK...a real possibility. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #211

In your dreams. SlimJimmy Jan 2015 #374

There's a fundamental difference between the two.. Xithras Jan 2015 #134

There's not large groups of German Muslims blowing things up etc Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #135

listen to yourself, you are actually justifying Alameda Jan 2015 #169

This may be the best god-damned cartoon I've seen in forever. Hits KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #137

Thank you for posting this! DU has not been very friendly to Muslims today. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #139

Wonderful illustration. Thanks for posting that. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #168

+1 YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #284

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Jan 2015 #125

I'm trying not to broad brush like Maher ecstatic Jan 2015 #132

I think you will find a good percentage of folks on DU not giving anyone a free pass, especially if still_one Jan 2015 #133

True progressives stand against any type of terrorists - Remember Oklahoma City? dem in texas Jan 2015 #140

Because the RW dislikes Islam. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #141

Not everyone is here. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #147

Oh yes, I meant those who escaped the reeducation camps. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #158

I meant my cousin who was killed in the Iraq war. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #160

touche nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #163

Wow, with only one word you have managed to post SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #288

Me admitting that people died needlessly in war is disgusting? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #304

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin. I tried my best to stop the madness both KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #190

Thank you! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #224

I apologize for that poster, they lack that ability. Rex Jan 2015 #244

Thank you. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #248

Makes you wonder what some folks dream about all day. adirondacker Jan 2015 #311

Great observation woolldog Jan 2015 #143

I'm not especially "protective" or reverent toward any religion. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #146

Not being protective...being antiwar... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #154

What, exactly, would you have us do? Ken Burch Jan 2015 #159

this is a ridiculously bigoted and ignorant post and i have no idea how it survived a jury unblock Jan 2015 #184

As disturbing as the OP itself is the fact that some 26 people KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #191

Apparently it's perfectly acceptable to write religious bigoted posts on GD. What's not liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #194

Based on many of the responses WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #196

The OP condemns an entire religion, not just the fundamentalists. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #198

Condemning Islam is not the same thing as condemning Muslims. WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #200

Female Muslims in Western countries enjoy a lot of freedom, and those who live in liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #201

It's not about "good" or "bad." WhiteAndNerdy Jan 2015 #205

Religions do change over time. That is one of the things that fundamentalists try to fight, but it liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #206

The objection is to equating a culture with its extremists bhikkhu Jan 2015 #199

I lived in Libya as a kid MFM008 Jan 2015 #202

I don't protect the Wahabbi cult JonLP24 Jan 2015 #208

not a single response from the OP Enrique Jan 2015 #213

like i said... trumad Jan 2015 #220

262 replies (including 11 from Trumad), 39 recs, and only one hidden post..... Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #223

For Bigots... trumad Jan 2015 #231

And calling the Catholic church "the Mafia on steroids" and the Pope "a son of a bitch" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #234

What calling a bigot a bigot means I'm a bigot? trumad Jan 2015 #240

"Mafia on steroids"? Slurring an entire religion as an organized crime organization? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #242

entire? trumad Jan 2015 #249

You did not use the phrase "a few" or the word "some" in your "Mafia on steroids" post (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #250

OK---how about many? trumad Jan 2015 #257

Are you stunned that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich, and the Kennedys, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #262

You keep using that same meme over and over and over. trumad Jan 2015 #265

"Meme"? Or "fact"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #266

Antonin Scalia is a current member as well..... trumad Jan 2015 #267

Me too! get the red out Jan 2015 #216

I suspect many of us are protective of Muslims not of Islam. pampango Jan 2015 #217

Define 'protective'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #228

i don't religion to be a progressive concept. KG Jan 2015 #235

Mild fatwa envy on your part Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #237

I continue to wonder why centrists are so protective of the Third Way think tank. Rex Jan 2015 #238

YES!!! ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #241

I think all religions are goofy gwheezie Jan 2015 #255

Because there are assholes out there who conflate extremists with believers... Orsino Jan 2015 #261

I think progressives are protective of all people. dawg Jan 2015 #263

You need to turn off the FAUX "news". nt TBF Jan 2015 #270

All religion is fucking dumb LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #271

I've progressed beyond being protective of any religion. Iggo Jan 2015 #280

I guess I met Muslim people long before it was fashionable to hate them. Cleita Jan 2015 #281

Are you fucking serious? SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #294

+1 trumad Jan 2015 #301

We aren't as protective of Christianity... MellowDem Jan 2015 #306

"We" is a pretty broad term... I'm not "protective" of any religion. SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #312

ummmm that is what the OP is saying m-lekktor Jan 2015 #310

No, what the OP said was that Muslims are SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #314

"They are sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, pro-theocracy and anti-free speech" Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #327

Well according to your ilk I have no choice SomethingFishy Jan 2015 #348

Because Islam is not the problem; extremism is. alarimer Jan 2015 #296

Well, the text of your post says it: Islam IS the problem (other religions too) Albertoo Jan 2015 #341

They are a very small minority LittleBlue Jan 2015 #297

I continue to wonder why alleged progressives indulge in Islam-bashing KamaAina Jan 2015 #307

it's trendy now - awhile it go it wasn't so trendy - Their liberalism and their progressivism Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #313

It's an embarrassment that Islam continues to get a free pass. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #315

Agree. It's weird. DU (and plenty of other liberals) get so strange about Islam. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #317

Some good reasons, some profoundly stupid ones Prism Jan 2015 #342

. sibelian Jan 2015 #351

No. We're protective of Freedom of Religion. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #357

I think you are mistaking the American left rejecting the demonizing of millions of karynnj Jan 2015 #363