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el_bryanto

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55. OK I'll go study that - that let's you feel that warm glow of intellectual superiority

Reply to cleanhippie (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 01:44 PM

Jan 2015

Without actually answering my question.

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John Likes To Remind People That Religion Is Not A Race... [View all] Turborama Jan 2015 OP

This will be one of the big debates of the next decade i suspect el_bryanto Jan 2015 #1

Are culture and religion a choice? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #2

As rational, thinking adults... cleanhippie Jan 2015 #4

I think that's giving too much credence to the idea that most people are rational, or think. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #7

Agreed, but irrelevant. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #8

Aside from the white supremist part, I am that person! Coventina Jan 2015 #9

Right on! cleanhippie Jan 2015 #11

Culture not so much, religion is absolutley a choice in America. Rex Jan 2015 #64

This is the key distinction. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #3

People identify with their religion more than they might with a philosophy el_bryanto Jan 2015 #13

True, but people also identify with their moral values and if they are bad values they are Vattel Jan 2015 #18

"this would be the best of all possible worlds hfojvt Jan 2015 #40

I doubt we disagree about this. Criticism of a religion can be fair or unfair, respectful or hateful Vattel Jan 2015 #45

Is Objectionism where one keeps raising objections to things? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #28

lol Turborama Jan 2015 #33

Objection! Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #62

Also there's a difference between discriminating against a belief and a person. Major Nikon Jan 2015 #16

Yep. It's the distinction between ideas/actions, and people. arcane1 Jan 2015 #57

Another important distinction. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #66

. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #70

Haven't you and I quarreled over this very topic before? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #14

That's a very abbreviated summary our our discussions isn't it? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #15

For sure it is. Abbreviated, but accurate. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #17

Well I left the Religion forum for a reason. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #19

If you can't even admit that that was about a particular instance (that is still accurrate) cleanhippie Jan 2015 #23

Takes me back to the good old days. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #26

Indeed it does. right back to where you get frustrated when you cannot defend your position. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #29

I do identify with my religion, though. I didn't exclude myself above el_bryanto Jan 2015 #31

"That sort of argument implies that believers should stop believing..." cleanhippie Jan 2015 #41

OK - I should have been more exact el_bryanto Jan 2015 #44

With no snark or insult intended, you should learn the difference between 'imply' and 'infer'. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #48

Oh come on, we all know that if you say the world would be better off without religion, Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #51

OK I'll go study that - that let's you feel that warm glow of intellectual superiority el_bryanto Jan 2015 #55

What the fuck? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #56

It's a simple question - am I wrong in assuming that you think the world would be better of el_bryanto Jan 2015 #58

You seem to need to equate my wanting religion to disappear with wanting humans that believe cleanhippie Jan 2015 #60

I'm not continuing el_bryanto Jan 2015 #61

Victory? Hardly. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #63

I see your point. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #73

one would have to be somewhat of a masochist to do so hfojvt Jan 2015 #30

Because you dislike the chosen belief system of someone doesn't make you a bigot. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #5

Amen, Sister! Coventina Jan 2015 #6

It's both scary and sad that so many connot understand that concept. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #10

Recommended, and sometimes the blatantly obvious needs to be said. dissentient Jan 2015 #12

Thank you and agreed. Bonx Jan 2015 #25

Well put. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #43

Bronze Age myths used to exploit and express. Throd Jan 2015 #52

Religions, unlike races, can be bad in various ways that make them merit criticism. Vattel Jan 2015 #20

I beg to differ meow2u3 Jan 2015 #21

unrec, belief systems, which are chosen, should never be above criticism. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #22

"John" exists, and is not "above criticism" either. Turborama Jan 2015 #24

A white Christian can convert to Islam, but can not convert to being Asian, thus a faith is not a Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #32

You read "Muslim" into it. The OP doesn't contain that word. Turborama Jan 2015 #35

No, the religion that some people incorrectly claim is a race is Islam, that claim is not made about Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #71

"John" exists, and in America most "Johns" are Republican. Turborama Jan 2015 #72

For anyone who's interested... Turborama Jan 2015 #27

Criticizing idealogies does not make one a xenophobic bigot RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #34

Not always. Some people use it as a smokescreen to mask their xenophobic bigotry, though Turborama Jan 2015 #36

Fair enough. The hypothetical John does certainly exist. nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #37

It's worth noting the reality that most Muslims would not be considered "white" by "Western" society YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #38

So being accurate about the meanings of words kiva Jan 2015 #39

How does that explain the hostility between Quantess Jan 2015 #42

People from discriminated against classes can discriminate against each other. stevenleser Jan 2015 #46

Point taken. The major difference between Israelis and Palestinians Quantess Jan 2015 #50

I am one to point out the distinction between race and religion. Quantess Jan 2015 #47

No belief should be free from ridicule or mockery. alarimer Jan 2015 #49

nah, it is fine to mock the people holding the beliefs too. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #53

Religion is not at all like race. Religion is an idea. I reserve the right to criticize ideas PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #54

It's frustrating that so many right here on DU are unable to understand that point. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #65

It's weird. DU (and plenty of other liberals) get so strange about Islam. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #67

I have seen a lot of posts like this lately Kevin from WI Jan 2015 #59

Poor "John" the bigot. He's just afraid and misunderstood. n/t Turborama Jan 2015 #68

LOL Kevin from WI Jan 2015 #69