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Fred Sanders

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104. The vulgarity united all the religions against the cartoonists.

Thu Jan 8, 2015, 05:48 PM

Jan 2015

Today, four leading French imams denounced the massacre, warning that the world is a dangerous place without freedom of expression but urging the media to be respectful of religion.
Djelloul Seddiki, head of the great mosque of Paris; Tareq Oubrou, director of the Bordeaux mosque; Azzedine Gaci of the Villeurbanne mosque; and Mohammed Moussaoui, president of the Union of Mosques in France, joined Pope Francis in condemning the cruelty of the attack".

Contrast, compare to the response of the head of the Catholic League in America........

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901874/Revenge-attacks-retaliation-begin-Mosques-come-fire-guns-grenades-France-kebab-shop-near-Muslim-temple-blown-up.html#ixzz3OGktsUia

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Anti-Muslim satire is about to get a lot stronger...and it should [View all] brooklynite Jan 2015 OP

You mean more insulting and pointless stuff insulting the prophet of Islam. Just because they can? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #1

Do you believe that Islam and other religions should be immune from satire? brooklynite Jan 2015 #4

I think different cultures and religions have different viewpoints on what is satire. The cartoons Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8

I'm no fan of South Park deutsey Jan 2015 #16

It does NOT justify killing, ever, of course not. But satire? Really is that the new definition? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #17

Agreed deutsey Jan 2015 #24

Satire does not have to be funny hack89 Jan 2015 #36

True, and moreover, if you're not French you're unlikely to fully appreciate the satire LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #105

It was equal opportunity hate speech. Which makes it all much better? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #113

Hate speech -- in YOUR view LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #114

So if some fundie nut case decided to ice Andres Serrano ... 11 Bravo Jan 2015 #58

Same was said of Voltaire's 'Candide.' LanternWaste Jan 2015 #69

Some say DU is hate speech. Some say FR is hate speech. We don't and can't allow hecklers vetos.nt kelly1mm Jan 2015 #101

So, it's only satire when -YOU- find it funny... brooklynite Jan 2015 #18

Show me a cartoon they published you find funny then? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #20

Why is my interpretation of "funny" at all relevant? brooklynite Jan 2015 #29

Wow, I thought it was only the right wingers leftynyc Jan 2015 #5

Show me one cartoon that of theirs that is funny, hilarious...and why? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #10

Show me one cartoon that 100% of the viewers find funny, hilarious brooklynite Jan 2015 #22

Since when are political cartoons leftynyc Jan 2015 #23

These are religious cartoons grossly drawn and grossly hateful being discussed......politics? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #25

Yes - politics leftynyc Jan 2015 #27

Why are you pretending that I was pretending? Now this is the second time. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #32

I have no idea what that means leftynyc Jan 2015 #35

Fred, just because YOU don't find it funny... Adrahil Jan 2015 #66

Ask Sean Hannity's fans if they think John Cleese's Quantess Jan 2015 #77

And the whole quote changes my quote...how? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13

Sigh leftynyc Jan 2015 #26

The right wing sites are corrupt bastards, they just used it in a different way...I hid nothing, you Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30

And yet you used it the same exact way leftynyc Jan 2015 #34

No explanation yet for how the full speech changes the context...waiting....waiting.... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #49

Sigh leftynyc Jan 2015 #55

I hope you do not have much contact with children Long Drive Jan 2015 #74

Truly. Even more so when completely wrong, which is most of the time. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #78

"Caustic"??!!! riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #81

"Caustic" is an insult? Who has the thin skin, it is not the poster? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #82

The insinuation that leftynyc is so dangerous s/he should not be around children riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #85

I saw it as more of a metaphor and "no contact" has no implication of dangerousness to children, Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #87

I don't see the metaphor but thanks (I think) for trying to explain it riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #88

Well, it is -31 with the wind chill so I am trying, thank you. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #89

I hear you. I'm in Northern IL and we're also locked in the deep freeze riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #94

I truly don't care leftynyc Jan 2015 #84

I dont think we wil be friends Long Drive Jan 2015 #110

That's what happens leftynyc Jan 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jan 2015 #108

Thank you for the full quote, which changes the meaning of my quote not at all. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #14

Satire of religion isn't hate speech. QuestionableC Jan 2015 #6

What cartoon of theirs did you find particularily hilarious and why? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #11

Immaterial. I find little if anything of what you say to be relevant but you absolutely have Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #19

Of course I do and I insulted no one and did not invite any hate. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21

So *you* say. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #33

Misogyny? Where? I have no idea who you are...who is being self-serving? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #38

heh Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #41

Bill Hicks safeinOhio Jan 2015 #7

The cartoons published with hate in mind are not satire...what cartoon did you find was hilarious? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15

So you are the Satire Police. Good to know. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #37

Yes, I am the satire police. Pens up! Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39

devry --- LMAO easychoice Jan 2015 #103

How (precisely) does a hateful pen deny the literary device known as satire? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #70

Give it up there Fred... either you want freedom or speech or you dont. TampaAnimusVortex Jan 2015 #91

By all means, we can't offend people's make-believe prophet! Adrahil Jan 2015 #46

On that note, time for some Java. I have made my points... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #53

I went and got coffee too. :) I had a sociology professor who once said... Adrahil Jan 2015 #64

I think you misquoted Obama. Vattel Jan 2015 #54

Thank you for the correction on the quote, the full speech is even more instructive. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #61

I'd say that the future can only belong to societies in which the right to insult the prophet, Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #57

I'm sorry, is that a crime punishable by death? No it is not and you know this. Rex Jan 2015 #80

Don't look at it as an increase... lame54 Jan 2015 #115

Agree leftynyc Jan 2015 #2

I suggest you read the Rude Pundit from yesterday malaise Jan 2015 #3

People have the right to be offended...and they have the right to not read things that offend them brooklynite Jan 2015 #9

That's the most cogent statement I've seen on this. randome Jan 2015 #62

Most on DU have rejected The Rude One and his impeccable logic and research, a real shame. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12

"Ask yourself how you think some Christians would react if a newspaper ..." oberliner Jan 2015 #28

Muslims did not "react" to the offensive "satire", apparently three madmen foreign to Islam, did. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #40

+1000. nt. polly7 Jan 2015 #47

Of course they did oberliner Jan 2015 #48

So the No True Scotsmen thing? MellowDem Jan 2015 #95

The No False Scotsman thing? One gets to define the masses by the actions of a few? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #102

I didn't define the masses.... MellowDem Jan 2015 #111

Really? That doesn't look 'exactly that way' to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #56

You've seen both cartoons? oberliner Jan 2015 #60

I've seen the Jesus ones you linked. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #65

So you haven't seen the Mohammed one? oberliner Jan 2015 #67

I have now seen multiple anti-Islamic ones from Hebdo. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #68

Fair enough oberliner Jan 2015 #107

I think some christians would protest TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #76

Actually..... brooklynite Jan 2015 #97

Like a drunk girl being raped TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2015 #98

The vulgarity united all the religions against the cartoonists. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #104

That's like eating freedom fries to support the Global War on Terrorism. DetlefK Jan 2015 #31

Your analogy doesn't work... brooklynite Jan 2015 #42

But it has to do with murder for religious reasons. DetlefK Jan 2015 #63

A better analogy is: NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #112

That is insulting Muslims who are good peaceful people rbrnmw Jan 2015 #43

Here's a link that leftynyc Jan 2015 #44

'Should'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #45

John Stewart, the master of satire, always has a point besides "I hate you and you suck". Satire. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #52

your own dogma is blinding you to additional aspects that invalidate your absolutism. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #72

I agree. HappyMe Jan 2015 #59

The fact the cartoonists have been tragically murdered does not make their cartoons any better or Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #75

Again, I do agree. HappyMe Jan 2015 #79

Belief is a choice, and should absolutely be open to satire and ridicule... SidDithers Jan 2015 #50

Censoring the "offensive" material only encourages such attacks. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #51

"Anti-Muslim"? We must move beyond thinking that any criticism of Islam is anti-Muslim Taitertots Jan 2015 #71

Charlie Hebdo staff vow to print 1m copies as French media support grows brooklynite Jan 2015 #73

and it will sell out before everybody who wants a copy is able to purchase one. nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #90

I disagree. The cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo were just crude provocateurs LittleBlue Jan 2015 #86

My viewpoint also. Free speech fine, free speech martyrs...no. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #92

How about an increase in anti-US satire for all the innocents Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #93

You're welcome to produce some brooklynite Jan 2015 #96

Including more radically offensive Christian and Jewish satire? n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #99

I assume they will continue to produce that... brooklynite Jan 2015 #100

Generally speaking, in this day and age, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #106

Certainly there hasn't been anyone killed over it recently (afaik) whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #109