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MisterP

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52. the Reformation was a disaster for gays and women and launched waves of war and persecution

Fri Jan 9, 2015, 01:14 AM

Jan 2015

since the 70s the US has been pushing the Muslim world further and further to ultra-Salafism, broken only by periods of support for crackdown by dictators

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"Norway Didn't Give in to Islamophobia, nor should France" [View all] sabrina 1 Jan 2015 OP

Islamophobia is bigotry and disgusting. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #1

Is it possible to criticize ANY Muslims without criticizing ALL Muslims? FrodosPet Jan 2015 #4

Yes it is, that is what people ought to be doing, especially here on this democratic site. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #5

Blame an entire group for the actions of a few? RobertEarl Jan 2015 #32

What's the difference between that leftynyc Jan 2015 #68

Oh dayum, cwydro Jan 2015 #85

Folks keep bringing up this One True Scotsman thing. I fully understand it, I have no idea why it is Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #18

Of course, "MILLIONS of Muslims" - out of well over a billion - could be less than 1% of them. pampango Jan 2015 #19

Did I say you could not criticize Muslims? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #22

I agree. When we hear of a "small percentage", remember there are 1.6 Billion. 7962 Jan 2015 #34

Adding "phobia" to the end of the word Islam does not make it immune from analysis or criticism. Throd Jan 2015 #2

You seem to have missed the whole point of the article. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #6

He hasn't "missed" the point, he simply disagrees with it ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2015 #45

Same here leftynyc Jan 2015 #69

And you make my point. Blaming all Muslims for the actions of fanatics is how this country sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #84

What a load of unmitigated crap leftynyc Jan 2015 #86

That wasn't my point at all. The point was, you are included in the blame aimed at the West sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #87

"Norway�s enlightened response could be a model elsewhere in Europe too. It would be the last thing pampango Jan 2015 #3

"Islamaphobia" is a silly word Prism Jan 2015 #7

So in your opinion all 1.6 billion Muslims hold the same views? I'm not sure what you are saying sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #9

All? Nope. Most? Yep. Prism Jan 2015 #11

It's underway -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2015 #13

And I do support them Prism Jan 2015 #15

You must not have had any interaction with Muslims. From different countries. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #14

Nope Prism Jan 2015 #16

the Reformation was a disaster for gays and women and launched waves of war and persecution MisterP Jan 2015 #52

I can dislike the Catholic Church without disliking Catholics. pampango Jan 2015 #20

A thousand times this Prism Jan 2015 #38

What you blame on religion I blame on culture and nature AngryAmish Jan 2015 #24

But not in the West Prism Jan 2015 #30

My friend, we are of one mind on that question. AngryAmish Jan 2015 #39

America really doesn't have Europe's problem. Prism Jan 2015 #40

This is a really good point cemaphonic Jan 2015 #56

Muslims Around The World Condemn Charlie Hebdo Attack Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #62

Thats a good one. I can see it: "homophobia"-- "That gay man scares me!!" 7962 Jan 2015 #35

Spot on. PeteSelman Jan 2015 #37

I do leftynyc Jan 2015 #74

Do you think there's bigotry against Muslims? If so, what would you call it? Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #80

Yes Prism Jan 2015 #82

knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #8

Norway didn't have an attack by Islamist extremists - LeftinOH Jan 2015 #10

I thought the connection was made pretty well. Maybe if we substituted Muslims sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #12

They want you to hate a few of them and cause a war on all of them...do not give them what they want. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21

Uh, no? Science Crow Jan 2015 #28

So...you think their "belief system", or, decoded, "religion", justifies murder? Code words are easily cracked. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #31

Yes. What is unclear for you? Telcontar Jan 2015 #57

Thanks for registering, jumping in, and explaining nothing, looks like that was your purpose...you Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #65

What is there to explain? Telcontar Jan 2015 #67

"Outsiders"? jberryhill Jan 2015 #33

i don't get the connection either. the Norwegian shooter wasn't a muslim m-lekktor Jan 2015 #64

Norway? You mean that socialist democracy? But they don't care about bootstraps or freedoms or valerief Jan 2015 #17

Thank you, sabrina 1. Octafish Jan 2015 #23

Thanks from Norway for this OP War Horse Jan 2015 #25

The most intelligent, 'seeing' comment here. pangaia Jan 2015 #29

Here is an article written by Salman Rushdie on the term Islmophobe iandhr Jan 2015 #26

We support those who are causing the suffering. Some of our best allies are and have been sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #41

He had a Fatwa put on his head for writing a book. iandhr Jan 2015 #46

Murder was committed, mass murder. Three suspects have been named. That is all. If you want to sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #47

I am not holding every Muslim responsible. iandhr Jan 2015 #48

Yes, and some of the Muslims I have spoken to despise those leaders and the fundies sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #50

Yes iandhr Jan 2015 #51

Rushdie's "opinions" are pretty hard-won though cemaphonic Jan 2015 #53

He's not at all unique in standing up to tyrants and he was in a fairly safe place by the time sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #54

Well, I am impressed by Rushdie, cheifly because he is an excellent novelist cemaphonic Jan 2015 #58

Wow, what an ignorant post Telcontar Jan 2015 #59

Terrible comparison MNBrewer Jan 2015 #27

+1 840high Jan 2015 #36

You totally missed the point of the article. But that's okay ... the comparison is excellent as it sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #42

The point of the article may have been that but the comparison is awful MNBrewer Jan 2015 #43

No, I think the more important point was made clear. Who cares what idiotic murderous sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #44

Ding Ding Ding iandhr Jan 2015 #49

I blame Islam for the shooting, not 1.6 billion muslims. Albertoo Jan 2015 #55

So who or what would you blame for our illegal invasion of Iraq, killing over one million sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #60

What has it got to do with anything? Albertoo Jan 2015 #66

Well now we know that leftynyc Jan 2015 #75

Were you a supporter of Bush/Cheney's invasion of Iraq? 'Freaks'? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #78

No, I was not leftynyc Jan 2015 #79

knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #61

Yes, it's irresponsible to blame any Muslims other than those involved. True Blue Door Jan 2015 #63

Well then, what is your expertise with regard to Islam/the Koran? closeupready Jan 2015 #71

Vague at best, but well-versed in history. True Blue Door Jan 2015 #72

But if your knowledge of Islam is vague 'at best', then how can you claim closeupready Jan 2015 #73

"Islam" is the sum total of what people who self-describe as Muslims do. True Blue Door Jan 2015 #76

Ok, so you're just winging it, that's what I thought. closeupready Jan 2015 #77

Actually the radical right agrees with you. I know, I have engaged them on this very same sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #83

Kick. Thanks, Sabrina. closeupready Jan 2015 #70

Thank you azurnoir Jan 2015 #81