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NYC_SKP

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156. Wow. I guess you haven't been reading many replies, bettyellen.

Sat Jan 10, 2015, 11:46 AM

Jan 2015

And what possesses you to make such remarks?

I'm not ashamed at all, in fact I left many of my remarks open because I want others to feel free to express themselves about things and not feel bullied and stalked.

If you would bother to check, you'd see that I left my first reply open in every case because the rest in the subthread were just petty bickering with no substance.

I want people to feel able to express themselves without thinking they are the only ones who felt that maybe Hedbo cartoons were RUDE and MEAN.

And sometimes rude and mean cartoons backfire on the publishers..

I'm still sad for the three innocent victims who were doing nothing whatsover to provoke a terrorist attack yet lost their lives.

I hope this day is a terrific day for you, bettyellen.

Me, I'm hoping for another great sunset tonight out my living room window like I had last night.

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BREAKING: Police sources report six hostages at Paris supermarket are dead [View all] brooklynite Jan 2015 OP

Add them to the three innocents who died on Wednesday: NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #1

The three innocents? wtf were the other nine? melman Jan 2015 #8

That person saved ALL of his outrage for the cartoons, and has expressed geek tragedy Jan 2015 #13

Bingo. trotsky Jan 2015 #61

So you're back to saying that the Charlie Hemdo victims deserved to be shot. (12 killed, but only 3 geek tragedy Jan 2015 #12

Oh Hell no, none of them deserved to die. This was unjustified brutality. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #16

then why the "three innocent victims" comment about Wednesday. 12 people were murdered. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #18

This was a horrible murderous act, none of the 12 victims deserved to be killed, much less harmed. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #20

Kind of interesting how you didn't answer the question. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #51

Oh, he answered it, all right. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #54

+1 trotsky Jan 2015 #64

I think the jesuisahmed tag gives geek tragedy Jan 2015 #63

Were all 12 victims innocent? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #78

WTF? Lobo27 Jan 2015 #132

That is what I am trying to figure out. joeglow3 Jan 2015 #133

+1... SidDithers Jan 2015 #22

The other nine were guilty? Guilty of what? arcane1 Jan 2015 #21

How do you reach that conclusion? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #23

Make no mistake, this is victim blaming. RedCappedBandit Jan 2015 #24

What a sad war this has been, I see nothing good having come from it. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #29

id include your moral cowardice in that calculus nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #32

Abso-fucking-lutely... SidDithers Jan 2015 #55

Cartoons are not acts of war. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #70

You admittedly don't consider the other 9 people innocent, so phil89 Jan 2015 #154

Ah, I see what you mean; those three weren't involved in the cartooning itself arcane1 Jan 2015 #31

Right, thank you! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #42

Were all 12 innocent? trumad Jan 2015 #43

Innocent of what? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #152

Are rape victims who dress too sexy innocent or just victims? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #79

All rape victims are innocent regardless of their attire, or lack of it. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #98

But, you have made it a point to NOT say they were innocent victims joeglow3 Jan 2015 #99

What the fucking fuckitie fuck? trumad Jan 2015 #38

war of cartoons and guns? progressoid Jan 2015 #107

wow fishwax Jan 2015 #146

How about the poster was saying 'three MORE innocent victims, added to the other nine'? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #27

What a sad war this has been, I see nothing good having come from it. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #30

I keep remembering Michael Ledeen's pathological proclamations about the Iraq War. He must sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #36

Come on Sabrina.. trumad Jan 2015 #48

What I did was to express what I understood the comment to mean. Since that is still sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #100

I would like to see NY say 12 innocent people... trumad Jan 2015 #39

Not gonna happen... SidDithers Jan 2015 #60

Who is 'they', and could you post something to back up that claim, which appears to be sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #74

The poster is attempting to see just how vile Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #77

Yup. And he's got his little defenders trying to tell us what he really meant... SidDithers Jan 2015 #83

"little defenders"? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #147

That is the same poster that posted about how much they seemed to like Jamastiene Jan 2015 #105

I deleted a few and left the original ones that express my view, to keep it simple for you all. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #157

Or you were worried about getting voted off the island. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #158

Several good DUer have been sending me PMs of support and warning. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #159

So you were in fact worried about getting voted off the island by those Bad DU'ers. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #160

I don't have a boat anymore. I just have a dock. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #164

Why? I got the point, I'm sure others did also. Nine were directly targeted, three sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #84

The way I see it, three were murdered, nine were assassinated, ALL were innocent. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #47

Distinction without a difference. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #53

I understand that. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #56

I guess then that three will be buried, and nine will have elementary schools named after them. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #59

I have no idea what the conventions are for naming French elementary schools. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #97

Well, there are lots of those around 'Terrorist Act or Mass Murder' eg. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #73

But that's not what the poster actually said...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #57

Then you didn't get the meaning of the post. Nine of the people murdered were the direct targets sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #75

Why isn't that clear? Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #85

Nope- sounds like you missed all his victim blaming self deletes yesterday. bettyellen Jan 2015 #92

I'm addressing the comment in this thread. Not the only time I've seen people lamenting on sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #96

Well, then you are giving the poster the benefit of the doubt- but those who have full context.... bettyellen Jan 2015 #104

As a Liberal I do try to do that. Certainly I try not to rush to judgement unless someone sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #108

and that is certainly a laudable approach. but the callouts are well earned after the silly little bettyellen Jan 2015 #111

So now it's a crime to self-delete? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #148

You poor thing. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #149

Oh, don't worry. I'm quite unscathed by it all. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #150

Well bully for you. HERVEPA Jan 2015 #151

Yes, it's obvious that you're not affected by all this. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #153

LOL, no crime- but you're so ashamed of your words you need to backtrack and hide them? bettyellen Jan 2015 #155

Wow. I guess you haven't been reading many replies, bettyellen. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #156

the replies you self- deleted because you can't "stand with" them either? Funny little game.... bettyellen Jan 2015 #161

I don't get you, I don't get your apparent need to challenge me. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #165

what a load of condescending bullshit. calling you out for blaming these murders on the intended bettyellen Jan 2015 #166

I stand by every word I have said, and I stand with the targets of mean bullying cartoons. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #167

Alert stalking? AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #114

Could be, and judging by the 'sources' it wouldn't surprise anyone. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #117

It's pretty ironic, alerting because you disagree with another's POV.... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #136

I don't think it even rises to the level of 'disagreeing' AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #142

Only those were innocent? Really? MineralMan Jan 2015 #40

I hope you and I are reading that wrong... trumad Jan 2015 #41

I don't think we are reading it wrong. MineralMan Jan 2015 #44

Wow! I mean Wow! trumad Jan 2015 #45

That is correct. trotsky Jan 2015 #62

Clearly. He has said clearly that blame is attached to MineralMan Jan 2015 #67

Oh fucck, not the self delete bullshit again. I hope someone saved the posts so we can bust up this bettyellen Jan 2015 #82

Sorry. I did not save them. I didn't expect them MineralMan Jan 2015 #88

You don't approve of self-deleting? I thought it was defended, by you I mean, as part of sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #122

How did you come to that conclusion? MineralMan Jan 2015 #139

You did say you wished you had saved them no? That would imply that you wanted to overcome sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #143

You keep stretching. MineralMan Jan 2015 #144

It doesn't puzzle you. I'm sure you understand perfectly. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #145

yesterday he was directly blaming the deaths of the policemen on the staff of Hedbo. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #137

Well, it looks like nobody preserved the pre-deletion posts. MineralMan Jan 2015 #138

Not surprised that this is what was deleted. It's disgusting, and would have gotten a well deserved bettyellen Jan 2015 #163

And unfreaking believable that you don't get what the poster was actually saying. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #80

I do not answer to you, sabrina 1 MineralMan Jan 2015 #86

Why not, my question was legitimate. If you can't answer it, then you HAVE sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #89

Do you believe that I must reply to your questions? MineralMan Jan 2015 #91

That's what I just said, it does speak for itself and I appreciate the clarification. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #94

NYC_SKP and I have had a discussion in this and related threads. MineralMan Jan 2015 #140

'I will only discuss my accusation AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #121

I discussed it directly with the person who posted it. MineralMan Jan 2015 #126

"None of those reasons have anything to do with you" AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #129

Why were the nine targets not innocent? trotsky Jan 2015 #87

Did someone say that? If so, could you link to it? Thank you! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #90

That's why I asked. I would like some clarification. trotsky Jan 2015 #93

So you can't link to it, thank you. My comment was clear, if you want to misinterpret it, that's sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #95

You believe three of the murder victims were innocent. trotsky Jan 2015 #101

Let me help you here. I am not one of those people who can be intimidated by sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #103

I am not trying to intimidate you. I'm asking you a question. trotsky Jan 2015 #106

Lol, I hate to be right sometimes. Btw, I asked YOU a question also, which you don't seem to want . sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #110

You asked your question after I asked mine. trotsky Jan 2015 #113

Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Which is better than targeting people for sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #116

I know you, and I know your heart .......... polly7 Jan 2015 #119

You are the epitome of what I meant when I spoke about those I respect, polly. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #120

You're a gem here, don't change. polly7 Jan 2015 #123

Lol! 'I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROAR!' sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #125

Oh yes you are!!!! polly7 Jan 2015 #130

you will never get a straight answer to that what you are looking for was self deleted bettyellen Jan 2015 #162

Dropped in my estimation yesterday. ALL were innocent. 840high Jan 2015 #102

Something wrong with your math there, skippy. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #52

Your morals do not withstand scrutiny. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #69

You are in nefarous company with that attitude. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #71

Being on the same side of an issue with Bill Donohue should generally be a giant red flag. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #76

Congratulations Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #72

And yet somehow still be posting on DU. trotsky Jan 2015 #81

Gee, you never like anything I ever post. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #112

What? Your eyes are two different colors? MineralMan Jan 2015 #127

Oh look now you are the victim. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #135

I think I am going to be sick... (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #109

You seem to say some of the most insensitive stuff Jamastiene Jan 2015 #118

Great post trumad Jan 2015 #131

This. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #141

You just couldn't resist could you? Would your post mean less to you without the word "three"? kelly1mm Jan 2015 #134

I cannot find sources on Le Monde, but Mass Jan 2015 #2

Several sources saying they've been freed LittleBlue Jan 2015 #3

I have not heard any confirmation. HappyMe Jan 2015 #4

No confirmation on this yet....all Hedbo and Supermarket gunmen dead. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #5

Simultaneous raids on both hostage situations - @AFP Reports 2 suspects dead riversedge Jan 2015 #6

live Euronews saying hostages are OK (live feed) NRaleighLiberal Jan 2015 #7

I hope that's right...nt joeybee12 Jan 2015 #19

Everything I see says they are OK PAProgressive28 Jan 2015 #9

I saw hostages running out of grocery with my own eyes on MSNBC alcibiades_mystery Jan 2015 #10

Reports before the storming had said up to 5 were already dead muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #14

I'm also hearing that five hostages are dead... greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #34

Me? I'm just going to bury my head in sorrow till the whole thing is over. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #128

So what happened with the supermarket gunman's girlfriend? MohRokTah Jan 2015 #11

Although her picture was being shown, it wasn't known if she was at the grocery HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #17

There were clearly more than 6 people in the supermarket, so presumably some dead and some rescued brooklynite Jan 2015 #15

why don't you update your subject line so it's not so misleading and inaccurate? CreekDog Jan 2015 #49

Oh no ..... that's horrible. polly7 Jan 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Jan 2015 #26

As of ten minutes ago ... lpbk2713 Jan 2015 #28

From TPM - "Four hostages were also killed in the raid, according to French radio station France ... NRaleighLiberal Jan 2015 #33

France sieges: Hostages emerge from Paris supermarket..... Historic NY Jan 2015 #35

Not all the hostages emerge leftynyc Jan 2015 #46

This is sad Gothmog Jan 2015 #37

and may not be true actually. CreekDog Jan 2015 #50

France 24 is not saying six hostages are dead, why are you posting such a misleading thing? CreekDog Jan 2015 #58

It's currently saying 4 are dead (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #65

It's what they reported an hour ago (live on the air) when this was posted brooklynite Jan 2015 #66

BBC reporting 4 hostages killed RelativelyJones Jan 2015 #68

That's terrible LittleBlue Jan 2015 #115

. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #124