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TwilightGardener

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28. Oh Christ almighty. Stop telling me that what I see isn't what I actually see.

Sat Jan 10, 2015, 02:20 PM

Jan 2015

Of course they're Muslims, and it's Muslim-based violence. Let's stop fucking pretending. The Islamic world has a fucking serious problem--it's constant and ongoing, around the world. If Christians were routinely threatening and killing people for mocking Jesus, or for not following religious laws to the letter, or for being non-believers, we wouldn't tie ourselves in knots trying to pump up Christianity as something awesome and peaceful and try to separate it from those acts. We'd say, "The Christian faith seems to have a serious fucking problem, maybe they all ought to get their shit together and change some things." What is the Islamic world changing, what are they doing to rectify the situation, in the wake of 20 years of violent nuttery? I see the usual lip service and warnings not to indulge in "anti-Islamic sentiment".

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Howard Dean: Paris attackers not �Muslim terrorists� [View all] kpete Jan 2015 OP

If they are Muslim terrorists than arent all white christian racists also terrorists? randys1 Jan 2015 #1

If they organize and commit mayhem in the name of religion they are./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #2

Lindsay Graham is alleging we are in a holy war, so I call him a terrorist... randys1 Jan 2015 #3

I can call my dog a bird and respectfully she still won't fly. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #4

the American govt, including under Obama (and that saddens me) has acted in ways that others randys1 Jan 2015 #6

unfortunately kpete Jan 2015 #7

But they aren't doing it (officially) in the name of some religion. AlbertCat Jan 2015 #50

Longer than 50 years by far. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #10

Correct. The terrorists define themselves. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #11

Lindsay "... pangaia Jan 2015 #22

By that loose definition Barack Obama is a terrorist as is every member of Congress./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #25

Terrorism has a definition. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #8

So if we drone someone or invade Iraq, that is war, not terrorism...I see, do you think that randys1 Jan 2015 #9

No, you clearly fucking don't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #12

Lindsay Graham is promoting an attitude that can result in war, you can say it matters what the randys1 Jan 2015 #14

Well tanfastic for you. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #16

What a bunch of god damn bullshit randys1 Jan 2015 #17

No, he doesn't have the moral high ground. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #19

"Words have definitions"? candelista Jan 2015 #37

Using an unbelievably broad definition, sure. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #62

That statute conveniently defines state terrorism out of existence. candelista Jan 2015 #70

...^ that 840high Jan 2015 #30

You got it Howard madokie Jan 2015 #5

Should we avoid using "Christian" to describe the Westboro Baptist folks? oberliner Jan 2015 #13

When did Howard Dean become an expert on political or religious Islam? branford Jan 2015 #15

I think that's second year of med school, but if not hughee99 Jan 2015 #24

There is a Muslim community in Burlington - the city he lives in karynnj Jan 2015 #33

Killing a bunch of Jewish deli patrons seems religiously motivated to me./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #35

It is now, I don't believe this was so much the case hughee99 Jan 2015 #52

He lives there NOW -- and the statement was made recently karynnj Jan 2015 #66

oh for fuck sake. how pathetic. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #18

Dean is absolutely right, althought perhaps pangaia Jan 2015 #23

What criterion do you use to determine who is a Jew, who is a Christian, who is a Muslim, et cetera DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #27

Wrong question karynnj Jan 2015 #38

Since you choose to be snide, pangaia Jan 2015 #57

I'm not being snide. I just wouldn't be presumptuous enough tell someone they are not of a religion DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #64

It's shocking to me that this Desert805 Jan 2015 #76

Westboro Baptist Church isn't Christian? brooklynite Jan 2015 #45

The killers were muslims, just like the Westborough baptists are Christians. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #58

That's fine. pangaia Jan 2015 #60

Sadly the killers were muslims. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #73

Absolutely not true. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #74

Yes. 840high Jan 2015 #31

Dean is re-framing. joshcryer Jan 2015 #79

Amazing...everyone is missing the point. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #20

Ecumenical bullshit. nt greyl Jan 2015 #21

NRA: Mass shooters not "real gun owners" LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #26

Oh Christ almighty. Stop telling me that what I see isn't what I actually see. TwilightGardener Jan 2015 #28

+1 n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #29

+100 840high Jan 2015 #32

+12 Throd Jan 2015 #34

You cant blame an entire.... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #49

And no one is . . . branford Jan 2015 #55

it's not like we put bible verses on the bombs we drop on them... lame54 Jan 2015 #61

This is the same guy who was against the "Ground Zero Mosque." SunSeeker Jan 2015 #36

Is it fair to say that the Klan was a domestic and Christian terrorist organization? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #39

Are those in the Saudi government 'not real Muslims', too, Dr. Dean? They seem to be setting a tone PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #40

I'll ask it again why are liberals so scared to say anything bad about Islam. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #41

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #42

I am equal opportunity, all Fundamentalists suck, regardless of creed, color, gender, politics, etc. uppityperson Jan 2015 #44

Why do you think 'liberals are scared to say anything bad about Islam'? And btw, why do you sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #69

We can debate the subject for eternity, in my opinion. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #71

And anyone who does that, attacks all Catholics for the actions of a few, is also bigoted. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #72

Wow well said! Egnever Jan 2015 #78

One reason is they know it will encourage the haters and war mongers. Hoyt Jan 2015 #80

what, discussion about what people actually believe?! real analysis?! outrageous! MisterP Jan 2015 #43

I believe Dr. Dean was an internist.... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #47

Dr. Dean is correct Gothmog Jan 2015 #46

They're not true Scotsmen, either. DavidDvorkin Jan 2015 #48

Heh! nt branford Jan 2015 #56

Right-wingers want this to become a holy war. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #51

+1 KoKo Jan 2015 #54

That's what I think some of this liberal guilt is about Renew Deal Jan 2015 #67

Actually, the SMART way to go it to recognize the trrorists are ALSO right-wingers.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #68

Good luck with that...Yes, they were BeyondGeography Jan 2015 #53

big fucking cop out Dean lame54 Jan 2015 #59

they are muslim, although i do think ISIS is more of a criminal gang but Al Qaeda really does JI7 Jan 2015 #63

I love how people who are not Muslim proclaim who and who isn't Muslim. former9thward Jan 2015 #65

That means the attack on the Jewish market in Paris was workplace violence in his opinion. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #75

Dean is a cool guy but I don't always expect him to make sense aint_no_life_nowhere Jan 2015 #77