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stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
21. notta problem
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:29 PM
Apr 2012


Zimmerman claimed that he yelled for help, and that various neighbors who peered out to see the fight from their backyards didn’t get involved. Zimmerman, the source said, told officers he was so paralyzed by fear that he initially forgot he had a gun, but he said that after Martin noticed his 9mm pistol, Zimmerman pulled it out of his belt holder and fired one round, a hollow-point—the round that killed Martin. (The autopsy report on Martin has not yet been released.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/19/new-account-zimmerman-told-cops-trayvon-s-last-words-were-okay-you-got-it.html

To me between his not using it first as a heavy and blunt instrument to ward off his attacker, or in the other reasonable alternative, as a warning by making the threat to Martin clear so that he would cease and desist with the alleged life threatening beating he was allegedly administering, shows his intent and interest lied with pulling the trigger first, and not the less humane alternatives. After all, how could Martin have been pounding his head against the ground and struggling over a gun at the same time? How he even "noticed it" in the course of administering the beating as Zimmerman alleges, remains a mystery to me, given he was allegedly in the midst of straddling him (he'd be sitting on top of it, or standing over him bent over focused on the bouncing ball that Zimmerman's head allegedly was) in the dark during the "beating my head against the ground" phase, and had he noticed it he surely would have noticed Zimmerman pulling it out of the belt holster, whereupon a struggle for it would have likely ensued. Maybe Zimmerman is a "quick draw"?

Martin then punched him in the face, knocking him down, and began beating his head against the ground. Zimmerman called out for help, while being beaten, before shooting Martin once in the chest at close range, in self-defense.[129][130]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#cite_note-Sentinel20120326Zimm-130

This is why his actions under the applicable law as a pants/bedwetting, wouldbe toughguy may be defensible -- we'll have to wait for all the evidence and the jury to decide -- but it never will be morally imo, as I'm sure St. Peter will make clear if you believe in that sorta thing.

I'm inclined to think that this, coupled with his stalking, may put him a bit outside of the protection of the statute. And if the struggle and shooting was over the gun already pulled by Zimmerman, whose "ground" was most threatened?

The more likely scenario to me is that the bedwetter pulled the gun outta fear at the onset, and the rest is history. If there was a struggle over it, then DNA or fingerprint evidence should show that. And if that is shown, then the "quick draw" scenario falls apart. Imo, his claims to being the one yelling for help are pretty damning, and I've yet to see any evidence that there was a struggle for the gun as being part of his original statement to the police as well.

I'm guessing it is the stench of inconsistencies like that that prompted the prosecution, and will likely lead to his conviction. And of course, all his phone calls to the police, etc, can be used to confirm a state of mind I addressed as an essential element in the conviction -- a wreckless and callous disregard for human life.

and if that's the case, I think the ground will be yanked from underneath any SYG defense

776.041?Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1)?Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2)?Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)?Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b)?In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/776.041

why would cracking his noggin with the gun as opposed to pulling the trigger first, not be required I ask, to satisfy the language there

After all, the fight wouldn't have occurred but for the provocations of Zimmerman, from start to finish
the tradition of blaming the victim [View all] noiretextatique Apr 2012 OP
Beautifully said. n/t Daalalou Apr 2012 #1
Blaming the victim is the basis of social Darwinism. Zalatix Apr 2012 #2
This mentality is now embedded throughout all forms of media now. ananda Apr 2012 #4
K&R redqueen Apr 2012 #3
Wow. Awesome. catbyte Apr 2012 #5
love your sig line noiretextatique Apr 2012 #31
Well said. hunter Apr 2012 #6
Will ALWAYS proudly stand with you, noire blm Apr 2012 #7
likewise, my friend noiretextatique Apr 2012 #32
K&R sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #8
of course they have to blame the victim... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #9
Bullying at public schools is the same thing. DhhD Apr 2012 #17
Despite the current reaction against bullying in the schools, ... radicalliberal Apr 2012 #38
+1,000 freshwest Apr 2012 #22
i wish i could rec your post noiretextatique Apr 2012 #33
"deal with the ugliness in their souls, instead of hiding behind the sacredness of their hate." redqueen Apr 2012 #65
This excellent. Thank you noiretextatique! PotatoChip Apr 2012 #10
NoireTextatique, You and I have cross posted on this topic and many others having to do with Ecumenist Apr 2012 #11
+ a gazillion chervilant Apr 2012 #27
Thanks Chervilant, I believe that we are coalescing into a juggernaut of humanity, sick of a Ecumenist Apr 2012 #39
Backatcha, chervilant Apr 2012 #45
I agree...the racists and regressives are outing themselves noiretextatique Apr 2012 #30
Thank you, OMG, isn't it revolting that there are some so ignorant in the 21st century that people Ecumenist Apr 2012 #40
FWIW, many of the Zimmerman Fan Club are just following the NRA line Doctor_J Apr 2012 #12
true that noiretextatique Apr 2012 #34
Yes, and we know that that actually means: "if he had just been polite."= Ecumenist Apr 2012 #41
amazing, just fng amazing noiretextatique Apr 2012 #42
DURec KG Apr 2012 #13
Excellent, excellent rant. Jackpine Radical Apr 2012 #14
DUrec. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #15
Thank You, NOLALady Apr 2012 #16
Very well said. Leftist Agitator Apr 2012 #18
that's just one arrow in the rightwinger quiver stupidicus Apr 2012 #19
Sorry to go off topic... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #20
notta problem stupidicus Apr 2012 #21
Amen, Stupidicus...You show alot of logic, critical thinking and common sense, three things that are Ecumenist Apr 2012 #29
thanks stupidicus Apr 2012 #64
I've noticed the flood of right wing idiots too, many of them EXTREMELY transparent Ecumenist Apr 2012 #66
indeed stupidicus Apr 2012 #69
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2012 #23
Kick for excellence. nt. polly7 Apr 2012 #24
Best OP I've seen in this place in a looooong time Number23 Apr 2012 #25
Thank You! shcrane71 Apr 2012 #26
Excellent OP... Spazito Apr 2012 #28
You nailed it, and it extends far beyond the distraction of the day. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #35
you are so right noiretextatique Apr 2012 #36
My father worked for the Sandia National Labs siligut Apr 2012 #58
Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Apr 2012 #37
kick Iris Apr 2012 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2012 #44
i noticed that. i am waiting for them noiretextatique Apr 2012 #51
That's not their way. It's kind of odd to me that so little has changed Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #54
they are busy on the zimmerman's background thread noiretextatique Apr 2012 #57
Good God. I've been trashing all of those threads, now I know it was a good choice. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #61
new meme noiretextatique Apr 2012 #62
Thank you. saras Apr 2012 #46
Who's Williams? You mean Trayvon Martin? If you're talking about him, you're absolutely right. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #47
Yer right - wrong name - I'll go try and fix it. Damn Firefox and it's seventy open tabs! saras Apr 2012 #49
Another readon why Zimmerman thought Martin was armed: Alcibiades Apr 2012 #48
i don't excuse the media noiretextatique Apr 2012 #52
Well said DiverDave Apr 2012 #50
It exists because victimhood is a valuable commodity grok Apr 2012 #53
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #55
glad i don't work in san francisco anymore noiretextatique Apr 2012 #56
How about this one ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2012 #59
not surprised at all noiretextatique Apr 2012 #60
Are you familiar with the writing of Kwame Ture or Kwame Nkrumah? BeHereNow Apr 2012 #67
i haven't read them in a while noiretextatique Apr 2012 #73
Magnificent post. myrna minx Apr 2012 #63
K&R varelse Apr 2012 #68
I wish every white person could have the experience of living in a place Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #70
i do too. i had to leave this country in order to feel american noiretextatique Apr 2012 #72
k&r nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #71
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