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The Velveteen Ocelot

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51. "The Last Temptation of Christ" was actually a very good movie

Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:44 PM

Jan 2015

based on a very good book. Scorsese got a Best Director nomination for it, and Ebert gave it four stars. I saw it when it came out (in a theatre that was being picketed by fundies) and I thought it was first-rate. It was not a cheap attempt to be controversial; it was a faithful adaptation of a critically-acclaimed (and frequently-banned) novel. It is possible for something to be both controversial and high-quality. Maybe Charlie Hebdo was just controversial. But neither good nor crappy work ever warrants killing people. It doesn't matter whether the writer was intentionally or just incidentally provocative.

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I was just talking to a relative, who lives in France. [View all] Archae Jan 2015 OP

I don't care how offensive and unfunny they might have been. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #1

No one doubts that. Archae Jan 2015 #5

That's to be expected, but it's entirely beside the point. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #8

Hear, hear. Moondog Jan 2015 #26

++ fadedrose Jan 2015 #69

Okay. Brickbat Jan 2015 #2

Not sure of your point here. zappaman Jan 2015 #3

A few news outlets are puffing up the magazine, making it seem more noble than it actually is. Archae Jan 2015 #7

So should the headlines be: The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #14

. Brickbat Jan 2015 #17

It can really depend on why the material is put out in the first place. Archae Jan 2015 #18

That seems to be an opinion? Lobo27 Jan 2015 #42

Everyone on DU agrees: they did not deserve death. arcane1 Jan 2015 #48

Not everyone. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #57

Evidently Paris is a very "tough room" Fumesucker Jan 2015 #4

It can't be that tough; they think Jerry Lewis is funny. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #6

Even "Which Way To The Front?" Archae Jan 2015 #9

Funny, I was going to mention Jerry Lewis being popular there Fumesucker Jan 2015 #12

I was attacked for saying that it was cheap vulgar humor, but that it might have made a profit. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #10

You've said it all. Archae Jan 2015 #13

Yup. I believe that even Snooki would be hailed as a Hepburn incarnate. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #15

Those were the days. It's all binary reaction now. arcane1 Jan 2015 #20

Let the extremists silence the Charlie Hebdos and they'll come for the more moderate critics next Fumesucker Jan 2015 #16

+ swilton Jan 2015 #21

"Attacked for freely expressing a very harmless minority opinion..." There's no irony in that. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #23

You were attacked for victim blaming LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #28

I was attacked for "perceived" victim blaming, people offended by "three innocent victims". NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #31

Blaming the victims. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #36

No, not blaming the victims. They assumed risk, but they did not deserve to die. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #37

You call me intellectually lazy accuse me of playing safe then say you won't use insults. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #40

Let me post links to your comments: LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #38

Whatever. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #39

Elapsam Semel Occasionem Non Ipse Potest Iuppiter Reprehendere LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #41

So it was the Charlie people who forced the terrorist to pull the trigger? Lobo27 Jan 2015 #43

Yes Lobo27, they went right up to those terrists and forced them to kill twelve peoples! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #44

What else could they do? Lobo27 Jan 2015 #46

I don't think they did that. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #47

You may be right, but you also may be wrong. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #50

Whatever: battle cry of the defeated nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #52

Yes, the natterers have exhausted me, I am spent, defeated, how could I have been so wrong? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #53

Here's how you can be so wrong: Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #54

Three of the victims were 100% innocent, that is true. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #55

How much did Dr Tiller have to own? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #56

Vastly different situations, it's pointless to compare them for these reasons: NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #58

False. Tiller was performing under the law, as were the French artists. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #59

Did I say that anyone was performing outside the law? No. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #60

I'm insulting Tiller, but you're not insulting 9 innocent people? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #62

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You were attacked? leftynyc Jan 2015 #65

NYC_SKP is now playing the victim card, having successfully made the massacre all about him. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #68

Thanks for the heads up leftynyc Jan 2015 #71

No you were attacked for blaming the victims of the attack, for stating that they shared some of the Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #67

Careful! Thinking the cartoons are unfunny can make you a terrorist sympathizer around here. arcane1 Jan 2015 #11

Let's start a club. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #45

It's not just cartoons... MattSh Jan 2015 #64

This was certainly the argument being made swilton Jan 2015 #19

If they were looking for notoriety, Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #22

circulation numbers i've seen were 30,000-45,000. for a paris magazine, it's very small time. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #24

Extremist Christians in Paris firebombed a Martin Scorsese film in 1988. The quality of the work Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25

So anytime something bad happens. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #27

they plan to print onemillion of the next issue Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #29

These are just my relative's observations. Archae Jan 2015 #30

I'm glad you shared, most of us haven't a clue. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #32

Is your cousin Bill Donohue of the Catholic League? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #33

Ummmm, OK. That shouldn't change anyone's views of the murders in the slightest. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #34

That particular news cwydro Jan 2015 #35

You're right there. Archae Jan 2015 #49

"The Last Temptation of Christ" was actually a very good movie The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #51

I don't understand this post ... seems like you are playing into their hands Wgles Jan 2015 #61

It's just an observation. That's all. Archae Jan 2015 #63

Link Wgles Jan 2015 #72

Here's some explanations of the context of some of the cartoons. Denzil_DC Jan 2015 #66