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In reply to the discussion: If you don't think these people represent all Christians.... [View all]Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)51. It wasn't only "Tea-Party Republicans" who opposed the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque".
Senate Majority Leader Democrat Harry Reid of Nevada said "it is time to bring people together, not a time for polarization and I think it would be better off for everyone if it were built somewhere else."[210] Jim Manley, a spokesperson for Reid earlier said, "The First Amendment protects freedom of religion... Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else." [211]
Democratic National Committee chairman, former Democratic Presidential Candidate, and 79th Governor of Vermont Howard Dean called the project "a real affront to people who lost their lives" and wrote "the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are 'justified' or not." Dean also argues that most people opposed "are not right-wing hate mongers".[212]
Democratic Representative Mike McMahon of New York's 13 District provided a written statement which includes: "We have seen very clearly in the past weeks that building a mosque two blocks from ground zero will not promote necessary interfaith dialogue, but will continue to fracture the faiths and citizens of our city and this country. As such, I am opposed to the construction of the Cordoba Center at the currently-proposed location and urge all parties to work with local community leaders to find a more appropriate site." [213]
Democratic Representative Steve Israel of the 2nd District in New York said in Newsday, "While they have a constitutional right to build the mosque, it would be better if they had demonstrated more sensitivity to the families of 9/11 victims. I urge them to do so before proceeding further."[214]
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Democratic National Committee chairman, former Democratic Presidential Candidate, and 79th Governor of Vermont Howard Dean called the project "a real affront to people who lost their lives" and wrote "the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are 'justified' or not." Dean also argues that most people opposed "are not right-wing hate mongers".[212]
Democratic Representative Mike McMahon of New York's 13 District provided a written statement which includes: "We have seen very clearly in the past weeks that building a mosque two blocks from ground zero will not promote necessary interfaith dialogue, but will continue to fracture the faiths and citizens of our city and this country. As such, I am opposed to the construction of the Cordoba Center at the currently-proposed location and urge all parties to work with local community leaders to find a more appropriate site." [213]
Democratic Representative Steve Israel of the 2nd District in New York said in Newsday, "While they have a constitutional right to build the mosque, it would be better if they had demonstrated more sensitivity to the families of 9/11 victims. I urge them to do so before proceeding further."[214]
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No argument there, they are all distortions of their religion. Cloaking power lust with religion is
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#4
George Bush's God demanded that we go on a Crusade into Iraq. I am a Christian and he sure as hell
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#102
And he had, and the neocons continue to have, plenty of support from religious leaders.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#106
You really think our War in Iraq had anything to do with religion? It didn't, but having a real
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#109
Absolutely. Plenty of fundamentalists are all for all out war in the middle east to bring about the
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#110
I thought I explained that. Fundies who want war as a fulfillment of prophecy are
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#121
It is not a fallacy if the underlying facts are true. And a "Scotsman" is not a religion. A lot of
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#129
Apparently, you do not know what the "No True Scotsman" fallacy is
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jan 2015
#132
The Democratic Party has an official platform that is not "allegorical".
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#133
Christianity has statements about loving your neighbor that Phelps did not follow
Fortinbras Armstrong
Jan 2015
#136
The fallacy is anyone accepts the fallacy as always applying. Only in Scotland apparently.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#135
Jesus leading a foray into the Middle East with flaming sword astride a Snow White snarling horse...
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#111
Then I want no part of that Christianity, you are confusing self decleration with the reality of
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#8
What is your criterion for deciding who is and isn't of the religion he or she purports to be of?
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#11
Well, killing folks or threatening them for not agreeing with ones religion while cloaked in white
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#12
No argument there. A very few still cling to these outdated notions that no longer belong.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#23
Killing gays as an abomination to God, stuff like that, is not religion, it is hate.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#33
Here's an a article posted here just the other day about what athiest think and feel about torture
notadmblnd
Jan 2015
#64
At least in Christianity that is the problem and why there are so many denominations. Anyone who
jwirr
Jan 2015
#82
Thank you. I am also that kind of Christian. And I see where you were coming from now. Sorry
jwirr
Jan 2015
#92
Well, yeah, there are a lot of out there Muslims, Jews, Christians (and) secular folks.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#94
If you don't see something morally wrong with those poll results then you don't wish to see
Fumesucker
Jan 2015
#9
I have no idea what you are on about, truly. Maybe YOU could explain so I can understand.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#10
Your view is apparently that religion is supposed to convey a higher moral standard
Fumesucker
Jan 2015
#13
I think every religion's own view is they carry a higher moral standard, no?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#14
Well in the case of Christians in the US it's actually the trunk not a branch
Fumesucker
Jan 2015
#32
If the majority of a community believe something horrid perhaps you should rethink belonging to it
Fumesucker
Jan 2015
#24
There are no "perfectly wonderful Klansman or AQ members".....maybe you could point to one?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#39
just because many of us believe the terrorists DID do this because of their religious views
m-lekktor
Jan 2015
#20
"Fear everything, then give us the power to save you from the fear"....avoid at all costs.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#28
All religions are equally capable of inspiring horrors. Let's look at the slur laden comic #2
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#29
Seperate the wheat from the chafe, dear sir. Throw away the chafe, it is worthless.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#35
Ah. So if a comic uses actual slurs to tell a lie about an oppressed minority group that's ok if the
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#60
So do the vast majority of Russian Christians....I am not defending any religion in particular, just
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#71
The One True Scotsman fallacy, more common sense than fallacy, only applies to non-white folks, I guess.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#40
You've already poo-pooed the One True Scotsman fallacy and now you drag it out as a weapon?
Fumesucker
Jan 2015
#43
Free country. Oh, and being Scottish is not a religion, another fail of how folks are applying it.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#45
It wasn't only "Tea-Party Republicans" who opposed the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque".
Nye Bevan
Jan 2015
#51
As one can always unearth a few Muslims who do not represent the Muslim religion, you can also
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#54
Rusty cogs.....good analogy...they need a little intellectual lubrication to free up the gears.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#58
Who is arguing that they represent all Muslims? However I would guess that the Muslims in your
tritsofme
Jan 2015
#56
Pretty low bar to be a welcome guest in a religion...just regurgitate some of the tenents, but do
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#62
People not in a religion don't 'welcome' anyone into a religion. I'd like them all to leave their
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#70
Let this be a turning point for all religions to expunge all the radicals that sully their name.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#73
Name a position taken by Westboro that is inconsistent with Christian scripture.
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#75
Which ones, which sect? Which interpretation of the same words, which translation?
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#78
Based on your subjective morality, absolutely...not based on their religious faith.
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#88
What is lost or unknown or not wanting to be known is that thousands of Muslims are dying resisting
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#91
And far more Muslims live in countries with dictatorships than Christians do...
cascadiance
Jan 2015
#95
Listening and watching the French today.......I love those folks..... what a lesson they are giving to
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#72
Exactly. As a woman, a strong supporter of women, LGBT and a secular society, Republicans are my
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#81
They are also men, women, and children.....I agree and stand with the French and their President, you are
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#86
First they fear you, then you fear them, then they kill you, then you fear them more and give
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#93
1.3 to 1.5 million folks (police estimate), marching through France to also say "these terrorists
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#98
It is not an argument it is a reality shown everywhere in pictures. Total for all France is now 5
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#107
That second-to-last one just proves a worthy point. They sure have something big in common.
calimary
Jan 2015
#105
Thanks. The last line of the last cartoon covers a lot of bases in concisely explaining a few things
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#115