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36. You know as well as I do that gun deaths per capita is a more accurate measure than absolute numbers

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:46 PM

Apr 2012

http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

The worst are all gun-loving Red states:
#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

And the best are all Blue states with real gun laws:

#40, California
Gun deaths per 100,000: 9
Permissive gun laws: 50th out of 50

#41, New Hampshire
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.9
Permissive gun laws: 26th out of 50

#42, Minnesota
Gun deaths per 100,000: 6.6
Permissive gun laws: 36th out of 50

#43, Illinois
Gun deaths per 100,000: 8
Permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50

#44, Iowa
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.3
Permissive gun laws: 38th out of 50

#45, New York
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1
Permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50

#46, New Jersey
Gun deaths per 100,000: 5.2
Permissive gun laws: 49th out of 50

#47, Connecticut
Gun deaths per 100,000: 4.3
Permissive gun laws: 46th out of 50

#48, Rhode Island
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.5
Permissive gun laws: 42nd out of 50

#49, Massachusetts
Gun deaths per 100,000: 3.6
Permissive gun laws: 48th out of 50

#50, Hawaii
Gun deaths per 100,000: 2.8
Permissive gun laws: 47th out of 50

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8 of 10 most violent states in america are - you guessed it - red [View all] Tax Man Apr 2012 OP

Also, as a Florida person DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #1

Have you seen that movie CSA? YellowRubberDuckie Apr 2012 #60

Yeah, I saw it. Whew. trof Apr 2012 #100

Absolutely nothing at the link about how they defined 'violent'. former9thward Apr 2012 #2

Google is your freind. baldguy Apr 2012 #7

"The U.S. is more peaceful than at any time in the last 20 years." hack89 Apr 2012 #15

Which begs the question: What's wrong with these gun-loving Red states? baldguy Apr 2012 #18

Four of the top 5 states in total number of murders are blue states hack89 Apr 2012 #19

You know as well as I do that gun deaths per capita is a more accurate measure than absolute numbers baldguy Apr 2012 #36

He Knows It, Sir, But If He Admitted It, Would Have To Give Up Much He Enjoys Believing The Magistrate Apr 2012 #45

18 of the 20 most violent metro areas are blue. former9thward Apr 2012 #79

People Are Divided, Sir: Learn To Deal With It The Magistrate Apr 2012 #81

Those gun death statistics for Arkansas are highly misleading Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #47

Probably From 2008 Statistics, Sir, For Total Deaths From Fire-Arm Injuries The Magistrate Apr 2012 #49

And yet, even in 2008 there were only 168 murders in the state Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #59

But the Statistic, Sir, was Not 'Murders' But Deaths Owing To Firearm The Magistrate Apr 2012 #80

But the topic here is violence Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #111

An Accidental Gun-Shot is As Violent In Its Effect As An Intentional One, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #112

The point is, the OP is misleading Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #115

Now rank the states by education and poverty hack89 Apr 2012 #55

And where do nearly all of those guns come from? baldguy Apr 2012 #57

So you agree that the problem is criminals ignoring gun laws? hack89 Apr 2012 #61

The problem is so-called "responsible gun owners" ignoring gun laws baldguy Apr 2012 #104

So there is no criminal activity associated with illegal guns? Really? hack89 Apr 2012 #106

So if gun lax gun laws are the number one issue here hack89 Apr 2012 #63

A more accurate measure of what? beevul Apr 2012 #109

Those who believe absurdities will allow atrocities occur. baldguy Apr 2012 #113

Speaking of premises...false ones at that. beevul Apr 2012 #118

Of course it's a false premise. It's yours. I can understand why you want to run away from it. baldguy Apr 2012 #119

I'm not running away from anything. beevul Apr 2012 #120

Seems you have an ingrained, unshakable prejudice against "urban" areas. baldguy Apr 2012 #121

No, I have an ingrained, unshakable prejudice against anti-gun idealogues. beevul Apr 2012 #125

And "gangbangers" like Trayvon Martin get what they deserve. baldguy Apr 2012 #126

If only I had said, implied, or indicated anything of the sort... beevul Apr 2012 #128

Bruins Fan The Other News Apr 2012 #116

Why would you think I am not? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #117

Try again... (check your Brady "Score Card")... -..__... Apr 2012 #32

I'm going to take a guess that it's not so much the guns Fawke Em Apr 2012 #37

'the U.S. Peace Index is based on analysis of homicide, violent crime, policing, Tax Man Apr 2012 #51

So if I have small arms I am violent? former9thward Apr 2012 #78

Wow. Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #3

Guns and stupidity aplenty. nt onehandle Apr 2012 #4

+1000 baldguy Apr 2012 #9

Imagine that. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #5

Reads like a list of Meiko Apr 2012 #6

Using what measurement? Union Scribe Apr 2012 #22

Correct Meiko Apr 2012 #64

Oh Cute HangOnKids Apr 2012 #34

Whats that Meiko Apr 2012 #62

Not a single Northern state. stevedeshazer Apr 2012 #8

Detroit, Philly, Chicago - some of the most violent places in America hack89 Apr 2012 #20

Well, yes, but in order they are some of the most populous states. stevedeshazer Apr 2012 #26

Urban violence is the real issue hack89 Apr 2012 #29

Okay, I get your point. stevedeshazer Apr 2012 #41

But, hey, Alaska is number one Blue_In_AK Apr 2012 #10

Sure, I will even gift wrap it nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #13

Utah is number one... TeeYiYi Apr 2012 #17

Ackety! lonestarnot Apr 2012 #54

Can't hold a candle to South Africa though. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #23

South Carolina has been on that list for some time, as I recall. CBHagman Apr 2012 #11

Wow! So much for the bible thumpers and turning the other cheek, nt DippyDem Apr 2012 #12

Interesting, "the US is more peaceful now than at any other time over the last twenty years." tammywammy Apr 2012 #14

California, Texas, New York, Pennsylvania and Michigan are top 5 in number of murders hack89 Apr 2012 #16

No one will be addressing that in this thread. xmas74 Apr 2012 #21

And go beyond red/purple/blue kentauros Apr 2012 #30

I know. xmas74 Apr 2012 #31

Years ago I worked with a surveyor from "M'Zuruh" kentauros Apr 2012 #39

I remember reading an article years ago xmas74 Apr 2012 #58

I think he was from south Missouri, kentauros Apr 2012 #72

The religion groups! xmas74 Apr 2012 #95

I agree with you about developing trust and loyalty. kentauros Apr 2012 #97

It is a safe haven-for now. xmas74 Apr 2012 #98

Community Gardening deserves its own thread. kentauros Apr 2012 #108

I don't have time to start a thread. xmas74 Apr 2012 #110

False baldguy Apr 2012 #53

Those are all large population states. How about a per capita number? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #25

I know that - just pointing out that blue states have areas of extreme violence hack89 Apr 2012 #27

hack89, your replies in this thread ~ Tax Man Apr 2012 #42

A Sound Observation, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #46

No - the real issue is poverty, crime and education. hack89 Apr 2012 #56

If that was the case, wouldn't I be agreeing with the OP? hack89 Apr 2012 #67

. NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #74

Is that your point? Or does your point have something to do with guns? morningfog Apr 2012 #122

No - the root cause of violence is high levels of poverty and low levels of education hack89 Apr 2012 #123

Redo the numbers on a per capita basis, please n/t eridani Apr 2012 #48

If He Does That, Ma'am, Everyone Will Laugh At Him, Even Give Him The Business The Magistrate Apr 2012 #50

So you believe that violence is evenly distributed within society? hack89 Apr 2012 #65

The thinly populated ones have fewer people, therefore absolute numbers for violent acts-- eridani Apr 2012 #82

So averaging the carnage in Chicago with remote farmland in Illinois tells you something meaningful? hack89 Apr 2012 #83

So more people = more danger? eridani Apr 2012 #85

No - more desperately poor people packed into cities = more crime and more danger. hack89 Apr 2012 #86

Forget it. Not interested in constantly shifting premises eridani Apr 2012 #87

Only One Constant, Ma'am: Faith In The Great God Gun: All Powerful, All Good, Font Of All Blessings The Magistrate Apr 2012 #89

So poverty, crime, poor education are irrelevant. hack89 Apr 2012 #94

All That Concerns You, Sir, Is Promoting Gun Ownership And Concealed Carry Regulations And The Like The Magistrate Apr 2012 #96

Yet I have not once mentioned guns hack89 Apr 2012 #99

A Goose Wakes Up Each Morning In A Whole New World, Sir, But Not Me, And Not You Either The Magistrate Apr 2012 #101

So why do you think the South is more violent? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #102

That, On A Per Capita Basis, It Is, Sir, Is Established Fact The Magistrate Apr 2012 #105

You and I see eye to eye on this. hack89 Apr 2012 #107

So how is southern violence fundamentally different from.. hack89 Apr 2012 #93

In per capita murders, those five are about the national average. progressoid Apr 2012 #92

Our Republican Legislature made it legal to carry guns in to bars. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #24

. Go Vols Apr 2012 #35

Well, we did have one of the law's sponsors get picked up Fawke Em Apr 2012 #38

Logic should tell you it's only a matter of time. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #44

Lotsa vatos in So. Cal. would be pissed they didn't measure up... n/t cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #28

Kansas City and St Louis do have a lot of shootings. RC Apr 2012 #33

Ugh, more division. JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #40

Excellent post pintobean Apr 2012 #66

there are some pretty thick racial implications in the list. provis99 Apr 2012 #43

wow, and most of the states on the bottom are in the South quinnox Apr 2012 #52

oh for pity's sake. cali Apr 2012 #69

I imagine that should one have the courage of their own convictions LanternWaste Apr 2012 #71

lol, well, I think the way you repeat yourself quinnox Apr 2012 #90

I wish we wouldn't do this. cali Apr 2012 #68

Isn't it just another aspect of "divide and conquer"? kentauros Apr 2012 #73

Just wondering... maddezmom Apr 2012 #70

Just eyeballing the list, I see a pretty strong negative correlation with median household income slackmaster Apr 2012 #75

So what happens when you break it down by county? kctim Apr 2012 #76

It's because of less social programs chrisa Apr 2012 #77

Excluding maybe Nevada...aren't all these states red? n/t vaberella Apr 2012 #84

Which raises the question, red because they're violent, hedgehog Apr 2012 #88

Violent because they are poor and ill educated? nt hack89 Apr 2012 #103

well, the right wing does condone and promote violence fascisthunter Apr 2012 #91

The ability to use "sir" and "madam" and make it sound so condescending is quite irritating.....sir. crazyjoe Apr 2012 #114

So if everybody had a gun philosophy B Calm Apr 2012 #124

I wonder what happens if you break it down by district? hughee99 Apr 2012 #127