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oberliner

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16. You are wrong

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:23 PM

Jan 2015

As of the end of 2010, 53% of the entire 34,526-member police force were white and 47% were members of minority groups. Of 22,199 officers on patrol, 53% (11,717) were black, Latino (of any race), or Asian or Asian-American, and 47% (10,482) were non-Hispanic white. Of 5,177 detectives, 57% (2,953) were white and 43% (2,224) were people of color. Of 4,639 sergeants, 61% (2,841) were white and 39% (1,798) were minorities. Of 1,742 lieutenants, 76% (1,323) were white and 24% (419) were people of color. Of 432 captains, 82% (356) were white and 18% (76) were minorities. Of 10 chiefs, 7 were white and 3 were people of color. In 2002, whites accounted for 60% of members in the rank of police officer. Between 2002 and 2010, the number of minorities in top-tier positions in the force increased by about 4.5%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department#Demographics

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African Americans are targeted by racist, white cops, routinely...Period [View all] randys1 Jan 2015 OP

It is undeniable that some cops are racists. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #2

The NYPD is 51% white Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #13

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You are wrong oberliner Jan 2015 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #19

The Mentality of all cops can be scary stuff, but we have to deal with the racism first, well randys1 Jan 2015 #22

Who else would racist, white cops target? GGJohn Jan 2015 #3

Probably gays and Jews. I have never seen a racist that loved Jews or Gays. Or women. bravenak Jan 2015 #24

Fair enough. GGJohn Jan 2015 #27

Understood. bravenak Jan 2015 #29

Bigots and racists are, IMO, equally vile and should be called out with every opportunity. eom GGJohn Jan 2015 #31

They are IMO equally vile and should be called out and shamed. bravenak Jan 2015 #38

I completely agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #64

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #60

It has been used in a narrow way for a long time. Chemisse Jan 2015 #89

Narrow? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #96

Narrow, as in its use is primarily to describe white bigotry against blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc Chemisse Jan 2015 #99

You have pin-pointed what the social scientists use ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #104

But its effects are far different. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #136

Good points. That probably explains some of the confusion over the term. arcane1 Jan 2015 #147

I could be persuaded of this if you were talking about who cbayer Jan 2015 #97

Now, that response makes no sense ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #137

Because I don't define racism as power based victimization. cbayer Jan 2015 #164

So where is this institutional privilege that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #170

I did not make the case that that existed, although it may in small settings. cbayer Jan 2015 #173

Exactly. bravenak Jan 2015 #133

To be racist you have to be in a position of power.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #33

Bullshit, you don't need to be in any position of power to be a racist or a bigot, GGJohn Jan 2015 #39

Good luck! This poster is determined to smear as many DUers as possible today. arcane1 Jan 2015 #47

If that's the intention, GGJohn Jan 2015 #48

The phrase "crash and burn" comes to mind n/t arcane1 Jan 2015 #49

Crash and burn LOLLLLLLLL boy you have one hell of a funny definition of that... randys1 Jan 2015 #67

Just in case there is some confusion: arcane1 Jan 2015 #101

Social Scientist disagree with your opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #63

It's all opinion and my opinion is that anyone can be a racist or bigot. GGJohn Jan 2015 #66

Yes, it's all opinion ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #88

YES, randys1 Jan 2015 #68

Well why don't you just enlighten us as to the important reason, GGJohn Jan 2015 #70

You really dont know? You dont know why and how racism works and who has that power randys1 Jan 2015 #77

Yes, again, racism isn't confined to one specific race, anyone can be a racist or a bigot, GGJohn Jan 2015 #83

It is impossible for a white person to experience racism in America, they can experience bigotry randys1 Jan 2015 #106

Bullshit. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #107

Haven't we had this dance before? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #110

My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. GGJohn Jan 2015 #111

Actually, no. All opinions are not equal. I know this is a shock. kwassa Jan 2015 #116

thank you...one has to ask why one would be so invested in demanding that one's outdated, wrong randys1 Jan 2015 #118

Sorry, but I disagree with your post. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #119

I win. You have no counter argument. kwassa Jan 2015 #121

Declaring a win, GGJohn Jan 2015 #123

Thank you. kwassa Jan 2015 #128

Flashback ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #132

I know. Here we go again. kwassa Jan 2015 #141

BTW ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #129

No,your opinion is NOT as valid as those of the academics that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #124

And we get frustrated with climate change "debates" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #103

You ask them the last time they were pulled over for being white, or followed around a store randys1 Jan 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jan 2015 #131

Is this Purity Test Sunday? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #4

Seems to be. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #5

The difference is most liberals wouldnt consider that question a purity test. randys1 Jan 2015 #7

There it is again, GGJohn Jan 2015 #9

Yep, there it is again...Disagree? Do a poll, care to make a wager first? randys1 Jan 2015 #10

Sorry, not interested, but you're free to do one. GGJohn Jan 2015 #12

unless you claim to be one while simultaneously denying White male privilege..then you are not truly VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #34

Which I haven't done. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #37

Just a simple question, with a question mark at the end of it, you can either answer randys1 Jan 2015 #6

...Period pintobean Jan 2015 #8

Yes, second Sunday of January. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #127

True enough, but why ask this question? MineralMan Jan 2015 #11

Cops profile, African-Americans are stopped, arrested, sentenced longer JonLP24 Jan 2015 #18

plus one Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #25

I dont need to say racist and white together as only white people can be racist in America, but to randys1 Jan 2015 #20

Since the subject is cops, let me add that experience would indicate that the semantics of who Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #23

Racism is a huge problem, no matter who or where it rears it's ugly head, GGJohn Jan 2015 #28

Not according to those that study and publish their observations to peer=reviewed journals. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #138

Am I reading this correctly? Did you say that only white people cbayer Jan 2015 #30

White males specifically....White Male Privilege is a thing... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #35

Well, of course it is a thing, but that doesn't mean that only cbayer Jan 2015 #40

White Privilege and racism are not the exact same thing arcane1 Jan 2015 #42

Uh what?? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #43

I was referring to your statement, not you as a person. Try to read better next time. arcane1 Jan 2015 #44

I don't need to look it up....I just read ^^^ more of it!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #45

I said take it up with the dictionary. Their definition trumps your fabricated one. arcane1 Jan 2015 #46

right yeah...MY "bullshit"... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #50

The dictionary is wrong? And your made-up definition is the right one? You're still at this?? arcane1 Jan 2015 #51

You are incredibly fact-challenged today SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #52

Let me guess....you too! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #61

When did I say that I was oppressed? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #71

Don't you love words being stuffed in your mouth? eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #74

When were you oppressed GGJohn? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #78

When did GGJohn say he had been oppressed? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #81

that is what determines what IS racism....you cannot be a victim...if you are NOT oppressed.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #82

I never said I was a victim of racism SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #86

One doesn't have to be oppressed AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #184

Oh really? Then if there is no victim...how can there be racism... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #187

Your reply is a bunch of nonsense AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #190

No its not...it is perfectly clear....for there to be such a thing as "racism"....there has to be VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #191

But to be a victim AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #192

WTF does that have to do with any thing.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #193

It defines what I said originally AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #194

No it doesn't that's hogwash! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #195

Nothing you say has anything to do with my comments AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #197

What fucking difference does that make? GGJohn Jan 2015 #84

What difference does it make???? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #87

And again, stuffing words into other mouths. GGJohn Jan 2015 #90

No...just unpacking your ridiculous loaded words... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #91

That's all you've been doing throughout this thread, GGJohn Jan 2015 #93

again....you have to have suffered oppression to be a victim of racism or sexism.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #98

What? GGJohn Jan 2015 #100

and my question to you is....HOW are YOU oppressed? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #105

Now you're not making any fucking sense. GGJohn Jan 2015 #109

I make plenty of sense... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #112

What leads you to believe I'm white? GGJohn Jan 2015 #113

You haven't denied it so far...and I have made the claim over and over... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #114

And I haven't confirmed it either, so because someone doesn't confirm or deny GGJohn Jan 2015 #115

and I explained that.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #117

Ahh, so you've interviewed every non white citizen in the US. GGJohn Jan 2015 #120

do I have to interview every person of color to know that they are? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #122

I think you'd be surprised. GGJohn Jan 2015 #125

No I don't think so..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #126

Some folks here AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #186

and thanks...YOU just proved my point! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #75

Wait! Wut? GGJohn Jan 2015 #79

No your not a victim of racism....because you are not nor have you been oppressed... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #80

Wait. Wut? GGJohn Jan 2015 #85

Go on....please describe how you have been victimized by racism or sexism....since I take it that VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #92

I wouldn't bother SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #94

You're right. GGJohn Jan 2015 #95

Does Wiki trump the peer-reviewed work of social scientists? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #140

I understand institutionalized racism, but this nut wanted to argue over the definition of the word. arcane1 Jan 2015 #142

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #143

Social scientists do not write dictionaries. arcane1 Jan 2015 #145

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #149

Look, we're on the same side here, but that link was about Institutionalized racism arcane1 Jan 2015 #150

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #153

Social scientists disagree on whether "racism" should be defined in the way you favor. Vattel Jan 2015 #157

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #158

I think the ones who deny that blacks can be racist are more like the climate change deniers. Vattel Jan 2015 #160

LOL...Of course you do ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #162

Um, I base my conclusions on my evaluation of the arguments. What do you base yours on? Vattel Jan 2015 #163

I base my thoughts on what has been written in peer reviewed journals ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #168

Try L. Blum's 2002 book: I'm not a racist, but � The moral quandary of race. (Cornell Univ. Press) Vattel Jan 2015 #169

Hmm. bravenak Jan 2015 #177

I was unfamiliar with Blum's work ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #180

Just finished it up. bravenak Jan 2015 #181

I just read the critique ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #182

Exactly what I was thinking. bravenak Jan 2015 #183

From your CNN link: arcane1 Jan 2015 #152

Sigh ... Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #154

He is referring to the definition AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #196

It is based on a power argument JonLP24 Jan 2015 #55

I have never heard this, but I think it's a baseless argument. cbayer Jan 2015 #56

I wouldn't be the best person to describe their argument JonLP24 Jan 2015 #57

I am sorry that I was not clear. I did not think you were trying cbayer Jan 2015 #59

Oops -- I completely misread that JonLP24 Jan 2015 #65

So, I brought up the example above of the intense racism that cbayer Jan 2015 #69

What you are describing is the intense bigotry between the Black and Latino communities ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #144

Not buying it. There are many examples of communities where cbayer Jan 2015 #167

Institutional privilege? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #172

There is a concerted effort by some to redefine racism. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #134

Yes, but it is based in what social scientists have been writing for the better part ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #146

I've seen what you have posted. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #148

And what is your response to climate-change deniers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #151

Social science and climate science are hardly the same thing. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #155

Okay ... sighhh. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #156

They need to find another word. cbayer Jan 2015 #165

The peer-reviewed writing of social scientists. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #139

Well, that's an academic exercise in futility. cbayer Jan 2015 #166

Because???? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #171

Because you are attempting to redefine a term that has been in use cbayer Jan 2015 #174

Isn't that what academicians do ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #175

They do it but not always successfully. cbayer Jan 2015 #176

This makes me think we are headed to ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #178

So what do you call bigotry based on race where there is no institutional power? cbayer Jan 2015 #179

Yes, because no Hispanic cop could ever possibly hate black people. arcane1 Jan 2015 #36

Or a black cop. I've actually seen that too. bravenak Jan 2015 #41

I recommend you look up the definition of the word racist SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #53

racism = bigotry + societal power, and only white people have that racial societal power randys1 Jan 2015 #62

Like I said, look up the definition of the word racist SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #72

Only in your mind. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #76

If you're taking requests... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #130

"Only white people can be racist in America'?...Even on a one to one level? whathehell Jan 2015 #54

It depends on how you define racism gollygee Jan 2015 #58

I understand that theory. I think it's called "structural racism" whathehell Jan 2015 #102

Agree - you can check the arrest rates in a police department near you JonLP24 Jan 2015 #14

African American cops are targeted SamKnause Jan 2015 #17

That too randys1 Jan 2015 #21

I agree with the statement to some degree, but LWolf Jan 2015 #26

Agred. It's definitely not a good way to generate a discussion. arcane1 Jan 2015 #32

That all depends on what your intentions are. cbayer Jan 2015 #73

Yes true. onecaliberal Jan 2015 #135

"African Americans are targeted by racist, white cops, routinely...Period" BlueJazz Jan 2015 #159

I don't see how that can be denied. nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #161

They are after all.... KKKops. Stellar Jan 2015 #185

But if a majority of crime in a city is committed by an African American tavernier Jan 2015 #188

There isnt a straw-man big enough for that ridiculous question randys1 Jan 2015 #189