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In reply to the discussion: Charlie Hebdo Is Heroic and Racist [View all]CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)39. Definitely not heroic
I'm reminded of this exchange which took place on last Thursday's Democracy Now, between Art Spiegelman and Tariq Ramadan:
TARIQ RAMADAN: We are talking here about a policy that was said by Charlie Hebdo over the last years that is mainly targeting the Muslims. My point here is, once again, Im not
ART SPIEGELMAN: But why?
TARIQ RAMADAN: Im not
ART SPIEGELMAN: Why were they targeting Muslims? Do you think its
TARIQ RAMADAN: Im notyou know why? You know what? You know why? Its mainly a question of money. They went bankrupt, and you know this. They went bankrupt over the last two years. And what they did with this controversy is that Islam today and to target Muslims is making money. It has nothing to do with courage. It has to do with making money and targeting the marginalized people in the society.
The point for me now is just to come with you, as somebody who is involved in this, and to come with the principles that you are making now, and to come and to say, look, now, in the United States of America as well as in the West, everywhere, we should be able to target the people the same way and then to find a way to talk to one another in a responsible way, not by throwing on each other our rights, but coming together with our duties, our responsibilities to live together.
I think that what you are saying now could be dangerous if you are not coming to the facts, but just with the impression that their past is similar to the present. Charlie Hebdo is not the satirical magazine of the past. It is now ideologically oriented. And Philippe Val, who was a leftist in the past, now is supporting all the theses of the far-right party, very close to the Front National. So, dont come with something which is politically completely not accurate.
The leaps and contortions taking place in this thread in a effort to put a good face on what Charlie Hebdo was doing is making me nauseous. The idea that because of their horrific mass murder we must now pretend Charlie Hebdo was doing something noble and heroic is ABSURD.
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I think the fact that they continued publishing after an earlier firebomb attack in 2011
Denzil_DC
Jan 2015
#2
PROTESTERS around the West chanted “Je suis Charlie” — I am Charlie. They lie.
Michael James Cobb
Jan 2015
#3
"the way the Left routinely mocks Christianity" - WTF? Did you just join the wrong website?
djean111
Jan 2015
#76
They have a right to be disgusting and bigoted. I have a right to say they're bigots.
LeftyMom
Jan 2015
#8
Thanks for the links. After looking at it for myself I don't find it racist at all. In fact, they
Coventina
Jan 2015
#13
No, I don't. Besides which, the whole point of the cartoon is to lambaste those who buy into the
Coventina
Jan 2015
#70
I just feel "Charlie Hebdo" could do what they do without the racist images . . .
brush
Jan 2015
#77
It's fine to say it's not your cup of tea. Satire is often ugly, because it exposes ugliness.
Coventina
Jan 2015
#79
These links are excellent for a better understanding the context of the cartoons nt
Pooka Fey
Jan 2015
#38
Bush is regularly depicted as a monkey (and nicknamed "chimp") on DU and elsewhere
oberliner
Jan 2015
#17
You're missing the context. The French would get these and they aren't bigoted or racist
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#21
From my point of view, religious people who spout anti gay bullshit are offensive and they seem to
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#20
Insulting a religion or a religious figure is not racist, and some on DU have also claimed Charlie
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#14
thank you. i am so fucking SICK of people implying religion is above critcism and to criticize
m-lekktor
Jan 2015
#49
The vast majority of Muslims in France are North African or trace their
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#31
k&r for this line "We should be able to keep both of these realities in our minds at once, but it...
uppityperson
Jan 2015
#19
Let's consider the premise that France has the right to preserve the values of the French Revolution
Pooka Fey
Jan 2015
#24
The vast, vast majority of French citizens support those laws, including Muslims
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#34
"Islam" and "Muslim" are not races. "Arab" is not a race, either--it is an ethnicity.
MADem
Jan 2015
#63
Sorry. But FGM and child marriage and child exploitation are not immune from critIcism
riderinthestorm
Jan 2015
#60
So basically you have to convert to Islam in order to have standing to criticize the religion?
Pooka Fey
Jan 2015
#69
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2015
#55