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59. You don't find those 'welfare queen drawings' racist?

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 10:26 PM

Jan 2015

They, imo, are disgusting and racist as it gets.

How the hell do you depict 12 and 14-year-olds as butt ugly, welfare queens and it not enter your mind that it might be offensive to black people, then say "oh, it's satire"? Perhaps some editing was in order before printing that cover. I'm not saying anyone should have been shot over it though.

A good rule of thumb before declaring that cartoon not racist, think about the reaction that would get if printed here in this country where blacks have a history of protesting racist crap.

FYI, France has a huge racial problem itself, which of course they deny — those that are not white are shunted out to the distance suburbs with little opportunity or avenue to improve their lot — and it's been going on for generations.

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