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In reply to the discussion: Chris Hedges - We have engineered the rage of the dispossessed (warning - may scare some) [View all]ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)26. According to the article I posted, the brother worked in a fish market. After getting out
Last edited Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:11 AM - Edit history (2)
of prison. The brothers grew up "in care" which was equivalent to growing up in foster care in the states. They weren't just "orphaned" -- their parents *abandoned* them.
The 19th arrondissement:
The 19th arondissement is not for the faint of heart or for tourists who have never been to Paris. It is OK for seasoned travelers. The Boston Globe article posted on Trip Advisor talks about a narrow swath of the 19th that is in the northern half of the arondissement, but go south and the area can become very seedy very fast. Still, it's Paris and the streets are jam-packed with small green grocers, electronics shops, Chinese restaurants, pastry shops etc., however these are all average...
Last but not least, be aware that this is a heavily immigrant area of Paris. There are shops here (and shop owners and their wives and children) from Egypt, Morocco, Algeria and many other countries. That makes this both an interesting 'hood for the spices, nuts, teas, dates, figs and other delicacies you will find, but it also means that on Friday night you can expect a very loud live band playing Middle Eastern music for teens late into the night.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g187147-d589089/Paris:France:19th.Arrondissement.html
The 19th Arrondissement is one of the most fascinating and complicated districts of Paris one of the largest, youngest, poorest, most racially diverse and the most criminal. The size of Grenoble or Reims, with nearly 190,000 people, the district, on the northeast edge of Paris, is split into at least three territories, with at least two large mini-ghettos, or cités, run by their own gangs of youths, who spar along the borders and sometimes clash with the Jews. And it borders some of Pariss poorest suburbs.
Its less about anti-Semitism than fights among gangs of youths, who create alliances of one district against another, Mr. Chahrine said, noting the influence of American movies on the styles and habits of the gangs. This idea of identity of territory starts with economic reasons. This is the youngest and poorest arrondissement in Paris, with a lot of unemployment, and that explains a lot.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/world/europe/24paris.html?oref=slogin
Coulibaly had become radicalized while he spent time in prison with Cherif Kouachi in 2005 and 2006, having been jailed for armed robbery and drug dealing.
Coulibaly was born in 1982 in the Paris suburb of Juvisy-sur-Orge as the only boy in a family of 10 children. He was a former employee of a Coca-Cola factory in Gigny, in Frances Burgundy region.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-amedy-coulibaly-paris-kosher-deli-gunman-once-worked-coca-cola-was-close-kouachi-1779242
Coulibaly was born in 1982 in the Paris suburb of Juvisy-sur-Orge as the only boy in a family of 10 children. He was a former employee of a Coca-Cola factory in Gigny, in Frances Burgundy region.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-amedy-coulibaly-paris-kosher-deli-gunman-once-worked-coca-cola-was-close-kouachi-1779242
At that time, the Iraq War raged thousands of miles away, and radical Islam simmered in the 19th arrondissement. Its skyline was crowded with the sort of high-rises the Associated Press described as public housing slums that breed violence and crime. Kouachi was listless and didnt adhere strictly to many Islamic precepts. He drank, smoked pot, slept with his girlfriend and delivered pizzas for a living, the Tribune-Review paraphrased Ollivier as saying. In those years, he worked a series of dead-end jobs as a pizza deliveryman, a supermarket clerk, a fishmonger and spent a lot of time listening to rap music...'.
They grew more alienated in recent years, AP reported, surrounded by secular Western culture and by what many Muslims see as a subtle bigotry among the French against Arabs.
Theres no work here, one told an uncle. Life is tough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/08/how-a-suspected-charlie-hebdo-gunman-turned-into-a-professional-jihadist/
They grew more alienated in recent years, AP reported, surrounded by secular Western culture and by what many Muslims see as a subtle bigotry among the French against Arabs.
Theres no work here, one told an uncle. Life is tough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/08/how-a-suspected-charlie-hebdo-gunman-turned-into-a-professional-jihadist/
Please link me to this information about their middle class lives.
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k&r, the attack on Charlie Hebdo was not about images of Mohamed, that was the excuse.
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According to the article I posted, the brother worked in a fish market. After getting out
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I didn't read what you read. Please copy the part about gentrification in the 19th.
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I've been to paris, thanks very much. I've been to the 19th, belleville area. what you're
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One lived in the 19th; the other lived in Gennevilliers, as reported by multiple sources.
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and "...devoid of hope, brutally controlled, belittled and mocked..." ? Perhaps one can be "wretched
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Exactly and I think if we look at the history of rebellion that would be true in most of them.
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I don't know about you, but I wasn't alive in the 1800s. "We" also fought the british, in
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No, I think you're trying to make the case that the US has always had a bad relationship with
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"The evil of predatory global capitalism and empire has spawned the evil of terrorism. "
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The only understanding I see in all of this is the obvious. A lot of those in power are sociopaths,
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So I take it you disagree with Hedges' thesis statement (in his first paragraph):
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