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In reply to the discussion: Chris Hedges - We have engineered the rage of the dispossessed (warning - may scare some) [View all]DonCoquixote
(13,956 posts)"It is a sad state of affairs when Liberty means the freedom to insult, demean and mock peoples most sacred concepts, the Islamic scholar Hamza Yusuf, an American who lives in California, told me in an email. In some Latin countries people are acquitted for murders where the defendants mother was slandered by the one he murdered. I saw this in Spain many years ago. Its no excuse for murder, but it explains things in terms of honor, which no longer means anything in the West. Ireland is a western country that still retains some of that, and it was the Irish dueling laws that were used in Kentucky, the last State in the Union to make dueling outlawed. Dueling was once very prominent in the West when honor meant something deep in the soul of men. Now we are not allowed to feel insulted by anything other than a racial slur, which means less to a deeply religious person than an attack on his or her religion. Muslim countries are still governed, as you well know, by shame and honor codes. Religion is the big one. I was saddened by the Im Charlie tweets and posters, because while Im definitely not in sympathy with those misguided fools [the gunmen who invaded the newspaper], I have no feeling of solidarity with mockers."
Mockers are the reason you can be in California with your nice scholar job. Many times the ones mocked will cry slander, only for truth to reveal that yes, the actual offense was done, from paedophile priests to racist rants to sex harassment. The people that fought hard against anti islamic bigots often were mockers, those experience at mocking the "most sacred concepts" Christians had about you being an enemy because you were Muslim! And those "shame" and "honor" codes are often used to preserve sins and as well as graces, especially when it comes to women. I am saddened that while you can indeed piint out that Charlie had flaws, you still harbor romance for systems that used the gun,sword and fist to givern "honor" which when examined, often turned out to be NOT worthy of keeping, because it was used to keep people in their place.