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In reply to the discussion: Do men understand rape? [View all]whopis01
(3,907 posts)167. So putting together your arguments, seems to come to this
Since there exists a possibility of a woman falsely crying rape, you wont believe any woman who does so.
"just the mere fact that it has the possibility of happening is enough to give me pause and wonder whether to believe a certain accusation or not."
"the fact that it can possibly happen that way makes me wonder whether everytime there is an allegation, that maybe it could be real or it could be a ex-lover getting revenge."
Unless the man is found guilty in a court of law.
"I just refuse to label anyone a rapist if they have not been found guilty of rape.
And because of this, I will not believe any woman that alleges rape until she and the authorities can convince a jury that a man raped her as she alleges."
But let's not forget that even though the jury says that he is guilty, there is still a chance that he is innocent.
"Keeping in mind that people still get found guilty for stuff they didn't do."
And on top of that, even an accusation may be going to far.
"Not too mention that allegations on their own can ruin someone's reputation"
It certainly all seems to point to a picture of attempting to discourage women from coming forth at all by repeatedly stating that they are not going to be believed unless they can meet an ever increasing standard of proof. It sounds to me like someone might be trying to intimidate and discredit all women who come forth to challenge their rapists.
And just so you don't get the wrong idea about me accusing you of attempting to discredit or intimidate women, I'll use another of your quotes -
"I am not accusing anyone or suggesting anyone does this, just the mere fact that it has the possibility of happening is enough to give me pause"
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As you were told previously, an erect phallus means consent to vaginal intercourse.
closeupready
Jan 2015
#139
what do you propose then, to believe every allegation and not give a chance for a defence?
politicman
Jan 2015
#30
Something happens to the brain when a person is raped. Most of us don't understand it because
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#28
thank you for this. I may recommend this to my husband. He is currently seeing a
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#35
Agreed. Even today on DU, I have been told it was not possible for me to be raped.
joeglow3
Jan 2015
#173
true, we shouldnt judge any women, but we also shouldnt judge a man simply with an allegation
politicman
Jan 2015
#39
"So if women want more men to be punished for raping them, then women have to be the ones that
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#41
so every time a woman says she was raped, we need to automatically believe her?
politicman
Jan 2015
#48
unfounded go into that up to 8%. it is not anywhere near 8%. it is 2-3% false claim.
seabeyond
Jan 2015
#157
ya. that is right. the info was in the other posters post. i was sure you point had
seabeyond
Jan 2015
#168
children dont have mental capacity to know what is happening to them might be wrong.
politicman
Jan 2015
#40
all i want is to see the allegation be tested in court before i will label someone as a rapist
politicman
Jan 2015
#70
how can i feel empathy for a victim if they wont alert us that that they were a victim?
politicman
Jan 2015
#32
i feel empathy for every one, but i cant feel empathy for a specific rape victim if i dont know
politicman
Jan 2015
#43
there are no other ways, either women report rape and take it to trial, or allegations are enough
politicman
Jan 2015
#83
I'm so tired of you. I should have done this way earlier but you are going on my ignore list.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#154
well said. there is a huge difference between deeming accusations credible and the mess of a
bettyellen
Jan 2015
#137
no one is patronizing, i am just asking for evidence before beliving any allegation
politicman
Jan 2015
#69
If somebody posts "my car was stolen last week" do you ask for a scan of a police report?
LeftyMom
Jan 2015
#73
there is no victim until a court finds there is a victim, until then its allegations only.
politicman
Jan 2015
#81
What you don't understand is just because it hasn't been proved, doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Behind the Aegis
Jan 2015
#85
so now we are supposed to place blame on someone for something we have no way of knowing if happened
politicman
Jan 2015
#92
LOL ... oh dear lord. thank you for this. I needed the break from that horrid tripe above.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2015
#152
Good work. You managed to use just about every MRA And misogynist talking point.
geek tragedy
Jan 2015
#25
The only person or persons that usually know about the rape are the woman's closest confidants
Quixote1818
Jan 2015
#113
for a couple decades, i never told those that i love, that love me about my rape. all men.
seabeyond
Jan 2015
#115
here is a hide, i felt interesting. and i disagree with the hide. yes, longtime feminists on du
seabeyond
Jan 2015
#117
So we should believe every owmen automatically and throw the accused in jail straight away?
politicman
Jan 2015
#45
I was raped by a woman in college and been told on DU I am a rape apologist, a woman hater,
joeglow3
Jan 2015
#175
By not coming forward, it further reinforces it being hard for the next victim
mythology
Jan 2015
#14
Very few people take psychology classes in school so the majority of the country does not
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#20
In this discussion of rape, I have read that even when a person goes to the police
Beringia
Jan 2015
#22
A woman can walk naked, drunk out of her mind, down the darkest alley at 2am, I don't care.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2015
#59
So a male rape victim assaulted by a man (we don't care about agressor's sexual orientation)
Pooka Fey
Jan 2015
#131
"We just can't connect emotionally" - You got a PHD in pschology out of a crackerjack box right?
Veilex
Jan 2015
#149
Quite possibly one of the most disgusting posts I've seen here over the years.
Blue_Adept
Jan 2015
#169
It is people who have never been raped who may never fully understand it...
LeftishBrit
Jan 2015
#134
Maybe "rape" is too loaded down as a word. Maybe in some contexts we should say
CTyankee
Jan 2015
#138