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LittleBlue

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234. That's the problem

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:30 PM

Jan 2015

Stalking does not give the stalked legal carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

And proving that Zimmy was breaking the law by stalking is very hard to do, as Zimmy was basically a nutjob version of a neighborhood watch. The witness who effectively ended this case saw Martin on top of Zimmy. Once that came out, and the testimony was connected with the cuts on the back of Zimmy's head, it was game over for the prosecution.

Hard to win a case when the physical evidence and witnesses are all against you. Legal analysts said before the trial that the evidence was too weak to support a murder charge.

Recognizing these problems with the case does not make one a Zimmy defender. You can go on and on with this emotional purity test, but it doesn't pass the logic test.

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Funny how the George Zimmerman defenders--here, there and everywhere have stopped defending him. [View all] trumad Jan 2015 OP

The fact that we had Zimmerman defenders here on DU ..... marmar Jan 2015 #1

It is/was out not-so-sleepy sleeper-cell�. PCIntern Jan 2015 #4

It's no longer the DU of yesterday years. FarPoint Jan 2015 #5

Those on the left were tolerated when DU was 'underground'. NewDeal_Dem Jan 2015 #109

The Left was a minimum requirement back in the day. FarPoint Jan 2015 #113

You've learned that in the one month you've been here? FSogol Jan 2015 #128

Things that make you wonder, eh? Hekate Jan 2015 #154

Funny how that works, isn't it? arcane1 Jan 2015 #201

really? Bwahh.haa haa haaa? Sheepshank Jan 2015 #219

It's about freaking time. Chemisse Jan 2015 #2

They will be back to show us how foolish they are at some point Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #3

true that... trumad Jan 2015 #6

i'm skeptical there were people that defended Zimmerman Enrique Jan 2015 #7

or those who do not believe the prosecution proved their case DrDan Jan 2015 #9

oh please... trumad Jan 2015 #11

Oh please what? GGJohn Jan 2015 #13

There was no reasonable doubt, the asshole admitted to following and killing Trayvon Martin Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #14

Go peddle your nonsense elsewhere. GGJohn Jan 2015 #18

No you go peddle your nonsense elsewhere, this is Democratic Underground not Gun Love Underground Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #21

WTF does "gun love" have to do with my post? GGJohn Jan 2015 #22

The defense attorneys may try to smear the victim but the victim's rights still need to be respected Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #23

My post has nothing to do with my position on firearms, that's irrelevent to this GGJohn Jan 2015 #26

I am not talking about the defense attorney Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #28

The shooting victim does have rights, that's what the prosecutor's are for, GGJohn Jan 2015 #33

Not exactly.... IowaGuy Jan 2015 #189

Thank you!!!!!! gopiscrap Jan 2015 #168

The jury referred to him as "georgie boy" as I recall...there was no doubt, you are right randys1 Jan 2015 #34

The jury did not refer to him as "Georgie boy", only one juror did that. GGJohn Jan 2015 #38

Did they need a unanimous decision to convict? randys1 Jan 2015 #41

In our system, yes, it has to be a unanimous decision in a criminal trial to convict. GGJohn Jan 2015 #43

Oh, so as a liberal you think maybe Trayvon precipitate his death somehow? randys1 Jan 2015 #45

Where the fuck did I ever say that? GGJohn Jan 2015 #47

I said i thought all liberals agreed on this, you said you thought liberals were not like cons randys1 Jan 2015 #50

The only fucking position I'm taking is that the jury, GGJohn Jan 2015 #52

First, I agreed that DA purposely fucked up the case, the racist DA and justice system randys1 Jan 2015 #53

Those reason for his acquittal were because of the lack of a robust prosecution GGJohn Jan 2015 #59

Don't apologize randy JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #125

why are you playing these little word games? backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #83

Ahh yes, it is a liberal who AGGRESSIVELY pushes liberal positions who are the problem at DU randys1 Jan 2015 #85

Now I get it, GGJohn Jan 2015 #88

Not mine, the VAST majority of posters here who agree that Zimmerman hunted and killed randys1 Jan 2015 #90

Who here has denied that that's what happened? eom GGJohn Jan 2015 #93

Pls leave it alone with the hijacking of the thread . . . brush Jan 2015 #96

yep that's exactly what I said backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #99

... randys1 Jan 2015 #101

WTF? backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #102

LOL. eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #103

I like your link better. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #129

there was reasonable doubt introduced from witness after witness DrDan Jan 2015 #49

And from those witnesses? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #56

All prosecution witnesses phil89 Jan 2015 #104

exactly DrDan Jan 2015 #106

Defending himself from what? liberalhistorian Jan 2015 #139

That's the problem LittleBlue Jan 2015 #234

The "problem" is that you're saying self-defense only works one way. R B Garr Jan 2015 #243

And here is where your argument breaks down LittleBlue Jan 2015 #244

like we saw in Ferguson, prosecutors present the case they want to present notadmblnd Jan 2015 #81

Yes. GGJohn Jan 2015 #84

It's amazing how so many on DU cannot distinguish Vattel Jan 2015 #121

Is someone who makes the following statement a "Zimmerman Defender"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #15

to many here, yes Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #27

He Learned His Lesson After The Henry Louis Gates Gaffe wellst0nev0ter Jan 2015 #32

OBAMA faces relentless racism and hate, all day, everyday, from up to ONE HUNDRED MILLION randys1 Jan 2015 #37

Yes, Obama has to defend the indefensible otherwise the one hundred million rabid racist randys1 Jan 2015 #46

So if he had not chosen to make that statement, a "race war" would have ensued? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #65

It's statements like that, that you just want to GGJohn Jan 2015 #67

no! Enrique Jan 2015 #63

No, no, no. GGJohn Jan 2015 #64

Here is an example Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #73

Ah, someone mentioned "reasonable doubt", exactly like President Obama did (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #75

I don't care one way or another. I was just citing something I saw I took to be an example Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #80

so someone says there was reasonable doubt in the Casey Anthony case Enrique Jan 2015 #79

I have said Mark Furhman arguably introduced reasonable doubt into the OJ Simpson case Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #98

I think you need to check your link therre, Katashi. Sissyk Jan 2015 #133

What took you so long? nt brush Jan 2015 #91

I defended Zimmerman to the extent that people were howling MURDER before the facts were known Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #224

I think most of them were trolls who have been banned. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #8

I saw one on Saturday JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #126

At this point, the average American has a better chance of being assaulted by GZ than winning the PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #10

Why would you think that people who agreed with the jury would defend him on unrelated charges Taitertots Jan 2015 #12

There is no reason we should see things from the perspective of racist murder defenders Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #16

But that would require not mischaracterizing other people's positions mythology Jan 2015 #20

many did not agree with the jury also Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #30

Too Bad They Were Deferring To What Is Pretty Much An All-White Jury wellst0nev0ter Jan 2015 #35

Too bad that is the system Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #42

And You See How Well It Turned Out wellst0nev0ter Jan 2015 #94

how would you fix it? Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #95

Are You Interested In Fixing The Problem wellst0nev0ter Jan 2015 #118

well since you are the one that said it was broken Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #148

So It's Not Broken? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2015 #153

They are still here: demmiblue Jan 2015 #17

I don't think sheshe2 is a "Zimmerman defender". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #19

Sheshe2's whole thread is chock full of Zimmy defenders. HappyMe Jan 2015 #25

Do you mind providing a link to an actual post there that you see as "defending Zimmy"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #29

I too would like to see those Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #31

And I've seen the opposite, so people have probably figured out R B Garr Jan 2015 #100

I'm surprised you missed this post of someone point defending and justifying the Zimpigs shooting JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #203

Thank you! Good to see that low-post count troll was removed by MIRT! Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #206

So no acknowledgment - zip, zero, nilch JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #210

MIRT does an excellent job and did (of course) eventually ban him. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #211

You could have provided that link yourself Nye JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #218

I might have seen that thread but missed the post that you spotted in the 250+ responses. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #220

Really? You must not retain what you read/peruse in depth. . . JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #225

Wait.... so because I cited this one post of yours, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #227

Actually no JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #228

Take your time. Let us know when you find one (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #55

Sorry, but real life interrrupted HappyMe Jan 2015 #72

Yep. It is very time-consuming to find a single "Zimmy-supporting" post Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #74

I'm not willing to play your game. HappyMe Jan 2015 #82

That is the tactic. trumad Jan 2015 #86

OK, PM me the link and I will post it myself. So you have no risk of getting a hide (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #87

I gave him one JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #204

Nobody ever got a post hidden for linking to a low-post count troll who got banned. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #208

He was here for over a year JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #209

Exactly. H2O Man Jan 2015 #213

I don't understand why he's arguing this point so vociferously JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #217

Not sure that thanking you for a link and praising MIRT for banning someone Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #221

One of the people who doesn't post enough here these days is H20 Man JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #223

Exactly 2 H2O Man Jan 2015 #222

When someone makes a complaint about behavior on DU, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #229

Oh, deer! H2O Man Jan 2015 #230

Yep malaise Jan 2015 #24

You mean other than the ones you can see everywhere...weird how you can say you are not randys1 Jan 2015 #39

I don't see what's so funny about it pipi_k Jan 2015 #36

Anyone who defended him at ANY point is a defender of a murderer and i wont say more randys1 Jan 2015 #40

It's like Hannity took Cliven off his speed dial underpants Jan 2015 #44

Like this guy.. butterfly77 Jan 2015 #48

Defending Zimm and suggesting the state didn't prove their case are two different things davidn3600 Jan 2015 #51

not to some here . . . one-in-the-same DrDan Jan 2015 #57

I guess I was wrong... trumad Jan 2015 #54

Yes... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #58

Here's another one for you, GGJohn Jan 2015 #62

Wel... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #115

I wish, eyesight going, legs going, brain going, and the most important GGJohn Jan 2015 #116

Presumably you alerted on those despicable, Zimmerman-defending posts Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #60

Point out one person that's defending Zimmerman the person here. GGJohn Jan 2015 #61

been here a long long time trumad Jan 2015 #66

Interesting how the "DU IS FULL OF ZIMMY SUPPORTERS!" folks Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #68

Well that's kind of hard to do... trumad Jan 2015 #76

PM me the link. I'll post it and risk getting the hide (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #89

I don't trust you as far as I can throw you. trumad Jan 2015 #92

Uh huh Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #97

I found a safe example upthread Trumad JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #205

So in other words, you can't provide a link to anyone here defending GGJohn Jan 2015 #69

Uh huh trumad Jan 2015 #77

that's not how this game is played Enrique Jan 2015 #71

uh huh trumad Jan 2015 #78

I believe you are a Zimmerman defender. onpatrol98 Jan 2015 #150

As I have stated many times, IMO, Zimmerman is guilty of Vol. Manslaughter, GGJohn Jan 2015 #152

It's my opinion... onpatrol98 Jan 2015 #157

I didn't say based on the evidence, I said based on the law, the only correct GGJohn Jan 2015 #158

~~~~ Hekate Jan 2015 #155

You give him/her a +1 so it seems you agree, I would like to request that you GGJohn Jan 2015 #156

+1 Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #171

+1 demmiblue Jan 2015 #198

Wow, that's deep. eom GGJohn Jan 2015 #200

+1 Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #199

He's going to end up like OJ Nevernose Jan 2015 #70

I noticed the same thing JonLP24 Jan 2015 #105

I agree with you, GGJohn Jan 2015 #108

Yet Zimmerman, the person, is who shot Trayvon. R B Garr Jan 2015 #202

No fucking shit!!! GGJohn Jan 2015 #231

Then quit separating them and pretending no one notices. R B Garr Jan 2015 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author GGJohn Jan 2015 #236

Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2015 #107

I have seen that too bluestateguy Jan 2015 #110

Basically what my Op is about... trumad Jan 2015 #112

Droll post to toot your own horn miyazaki Jan 2015 #111

There are quite a few still here. n/t Jamastiene Jan 2015 #114

trust me, that crowd has simply moved to twitter Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #117

Zimmerman is scum cwydro Jan 2015 #119

sure they did trumad Jan 2015 #120

I really wish H2O Man Jan 2015 #122

same characters come running every time. trumad Jan 2015 #124

I noticed that JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #127

Yep billh58 Jan 2015 #212

But what is going on with DU juries? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #130

Zero. H2O Man Jan 2015 #131

Grumbling about DU posts you dislike, while never alerting on any of them, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #132

I wouldn't know. H2O Man Jan 2015 #134

Bemoaning "Zim-porters clustering and sticking" is not "grumbling"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #160

So, H2O Man, why don't you point out who here is defending Zimmerman the person. GGJohn Jan 2015 #136

Yes, you will wait. H2O Man Jan 2015 #137

Thought so, GGJohn Jan 2015 #138

Gosh. H2O Man Jan 2015 #140

because it will get juried trumad Jan 2015 #141

As I told you before, GGJohn Jan 2015 #142

you don't maybe trumad Jan 2015 #144

I don't doubt it, it's happened to me and I condemn the practice, GGJohn Jan 2015 #145

here's the thing trumad Jan 2015 #147

yep, happened to me several times Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #149

True, that. H2O Man Jan 2015 #143

it's like my Republican friends... trumad Jan 2015 #146

You only have 1 hidden post in the past 90 days. 4 hides to go before you are suspended. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #161

suspended for 4 months at the end of 2013 trumad Jan 2015 #169

That seems so unfair pintobean Jan 2015 #172

Yes, you do keep track of things. R B Garr Jan 2015 #176

That was a bannered announcement. pintobean Jan 2015 #177

Oh, I doubt that was the real reason for your post. R B Garr Jan 2015 #179

Why don't you tell us what he meant pintobean Jan 2015 #180

Better yet, you tell us why you care about his posts. R B Garr Jan 2015 #181

I was pretty clear about my concern pintobean Jan 2015 #183

Yes, you are very clear about your "concern" for trumad. R B Garr Jan 2015 #185

And here you are so concerned about pintobean's posts. GGJohn Jan 2015 #232

You are here, too. So concerned about protecting Zimmerman R B Garr Jan 2015 #233

Saying I'm protecting Zimmerman is a lie, so why are you lying? GGJohn Jan 2015 #237

Hey, if you want to contradict yourself, go right ahead. R B Garr Jan 2015 #238

See? You're lying again about what I said. GGJohn Jan 2015 #239

Obviously the prosecution did poorly, but it's a lie R B Garr Jan 2015 #240

If you're going to continue to lie, then we're done here. GGJohn Jan 2015 #241

LOL, your own post #59 in this thread describes your OPINION R B Garr Jan 2015 #242

Right, it's my opinion that the jury got it right because the prosecution screwed up GGJohn Jan 2015 #245

Jury Results Blue_Adept Jan 2015 #246

not saying I did not deserve it... trumad Jan 2015 #186

Thank you Trumad JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #123

Wonder what George will do next? Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #135

I don't remember anyone here defending him Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #151

Many in this thread have pointed this out, and asked the OP for a link to any post, anywhere on DU, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #159

Oh yes DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #162

But like everyone else who claims this, you can't provide a single link as an example, can you? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #163

here ya go DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #164

That's a link to a post by UnrepentantLiberal Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #165

no, I said DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #166

there are plenty of links like that... trumad Jan 2015 #170

Can you provide a link to an example of such a post? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #173

Nice choice, Don pintobean Jan 2015 #174

here ya go DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #175

The first post you linked to said that Zimmerman's rescue "may have been staged", Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #190

and I would tell each one of fools what a bunch of gopiscrap Jan 2015 #167

This thread illustrates that many of his defenders' new line is "who ever defend him?" LanternWaste Jan 2015 #178

Actually a reasonable question, as nobody is able to produce a link to a "Zimmerman defending" post. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #192

Bless your little heart. Of course you can't remember any posts defending Zimmerman. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #194

(Lanternwaste does quick DU Google search and is unable to find "Zimmy-defending post") Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #195

Funny how this OP brought billh58 Jan 2015 #182

yep trumad Jan 2015 #188

Except that neither the OP nor you can cite a single post in this thread that "defends Zimmerman". Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #191

Funny how this OP brought DrDan Jan 2015 #196

Can you post a link of someone defending Zimmerman? eom. GGJohn Jan 2015 #197

Someone upthread finally provided a link to the kind of post Trumad has in mind. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #215

I don't know. The fools in my neighborhood and in my own family defend him. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #184

Most of those defending Zman here were also gun toters. Hoyt Jan 2015 #187

Not this website but there are a few still defending him Catherine Vincent Jan 2015 #193

Actually someone upthread provided a link to a DU post that arguably defended Zimmerman. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #214

Like I said... trumad Jan 2015 #216

Agreed and the example I provided Trumad JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #226

now he's beating up white people samsingh Jan 2015 #207