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In reply to the discussion: What's the difference between Bob Graham and the Clintons on the Iraq fiasco? Honest truth. [View all]madfloridian
(88,117 posts)20. Senator Bob Graham: The CIA Made Up Two Briefing Sessions. Emptywheel blog.
Remember how Graham always takes notes of his everyday activities? He writes almost everything down in his journals. He's been mocked for it, but he still does it faithfully.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/
hursday May 14, 2009 7:43 am
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Bob Graham just appeared on WNYCs Brian Lehrer Show. In addition to repeating earlier reports that he was never briefed on waterboarding, Graham revealed that the first time he asked the CIA when he was briefed on torture, it claimed it had briefed him on two dates when no briefing took place.
I didnt get Grahams exact quotes (and the quotes below are rough approximations), but when asked to respond to Philip Zelikows assertion that members of Congress from both parties had been briefed on this program, Graham said that when he asked the CIA when he had been briefed on the program, the CIA gave him the dates of four briefings, two in April 2002 and two in September 2002, when they claimed they had briefed him about the program. But after Graham consulted his own records, he pointed out that on two of those dates, he had not attended any briefing. After Graham pointed this out to the CIA, they conceded their own dates were incorrect.
Graham then went on to repeat his claim that he had no recollection of being told about waterboarding Zubaydah or anything else about extreme interrogation.
In addition to repeating his earlier assertion that he would have remembered something that dramatic, Graham contextualized the briefing the CIA gave himwhich occurred right in the middle of Grahams complaints about the inaccuracy of the Iraq NIE (the briefing on September 27, 2002 would have shown up just a few days after the British released a White Paper on September 24, 2002 that publicized for the first time the yellocake claim).
Occurred in September 2002, right in the middle of the NIE on Iraq where I was at open war with the Administration where I was at war with the Administration on the inaccuracies of that NIE.
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What's the difference between Bob Graham and the Clintons on the Iraq fiasco? Honest truth. [View all]
madfloridian
Jan 2015
OP
Warren and Sanders vote on ISIS Resolution is the reason I would not vote for either of them.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#7
You are right, no one is perfect but for some one thing wrong prevents a vote, so there you are.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#27
I did not say refuse to vote, some actions taken by candidates just may send my vote elsewhere.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#36
Actually i was e replying to Post #2, and yes I believe if one sits on their duff and does not make
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#39
Just to be plain spoken, Bush had every intention on invading Iraq before he was elected, he had to
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#4
I do believe those who voted yes to the Iraq invasion must be reminded over and over.
madfloridian
Jan 2015
#8
And we should at the same time remind everyone Bush pulled the invasion of
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#9
And in this thread Bush gets a pass, does this mean everyone who did not come
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#26
You got it reversed, I said Bush was the vote to invade Iraq, he planned it before he was president
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#29
If you think they should jump out on him ok, I do not know it is necessary for my good but whatever.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#32
You can discount her failure to vote no, Bush gave the go ahead, if she would have voted no he would
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#12
Plain speaking, the vote in the Senate was 77 yes votes and 23 no, as I stated before it would not
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#15
A no vote might have made Hillary president 6 years ago. Now, she'll never be president.
w4rma
Jan 2015
#17
It does not matter if it would have changed the outcome. Read her words in the OP.
madfloridian
Jan 2015
#18
To be clear, Bush would not have gotten his way if more had stood up to him.
madfloridian
Jan 2015
#34
"Bush would not have gotten his way if more had stood up to him." = exactly. I still remember
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#43
Senator Bob Graham: The CIA Made Up Two Briefing Sessions. Emptywheel blog.
madfloridian
Jan 2015
#20
"the Clintons of all people should have known better given Bill's fairly recent access"
madfloridian
Jan 2015
#46