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calimary

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25. Good point here, Thinkingabout.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jan 2015

Why do we stop short of george w. bush? I see this huge wave of effort that seems to attempt to leave him out of all the dirty work. Leaving him with relatively clean hands.

FUCK THAT. He was right in the middle of it. Even ceding operational control to cheney because he was too lazy and probably didn't want to bother his "beautiful mind" about it. Thinking deeply wasn't his thing. He didn't even want to bother having to read any position paper that was longer than two pages. That's all the attention-span he had. TWO PAGES. He's the one who didn't "do nuance." Well, sometimes nuance is IT. Nuance sometimes is EVERYTHING. It's KEY.

Not that I want to give Hillary a pass. I am a fully-acknowledged admirer of her brains, her intellect, her superior intelligence. Brains are tremendously attractive to me. In men, they're downright sexy to me. Given that, I'm still annoyed that somebody with her brainpower could allow herself to be lulled by the constant drumbeat for invading Iraq. Somebody that smart should have known better, and should have seen through all that utter bullshit. Somebody that smart should have been smart enough not to be naive about the motivations of the people pushing that invasion so damn hard. Somebody that smart should have seen through it - AND them. I mean - WE did. WE saw through it. We took the time to read this stuff, to scratch the surface, to research the damn thing. That's why when I had a chance to vote for her in the California primary, I went with Barack Obama. I hope to GOD she's learned from this colossal mistake. I think, if it hadn't been for her vote for the Iraq War, SHE would be president now, in the last half of HER second term. And I still think she has the best and most realistic chance to keep the White House in Democratic hands in 2016. Especially if Elizabeth Warren, whom I LOVE, still says she's not running - and actually has said she'd support Hillary Clinton.

We have to be brutally objective about this. Because it's not just the White House at stake. It's the Supreme Court - which we've already seen is CRITICAL to social change and improvement, or the utter obstruction thereof.

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What I Knew Before the Invasion..Bob Graham 2005 madfloridian Jan 2015 #1
Which is the biggest reason I won't vote for her. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #2
+1 Scuba Jan 2015 #3
The difference between them is stunning. madfloridian Jan 2015 #6
Warren and Sanders vote on ISIS Resolution is the reason I would not vote for either of them. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #7
Nobody's perfect, Part 2. calimary Jan 2015 #23
Nobody's perfect, Part 1. calimary Jan 2015 #22
You are right, no one is perfect but for some one thing wrong prevents a vote, so there you are. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #27
My post does NOT encourage anyone to refuse to vote. madfloridian Jan 2015 #35
I did not say refuse to vote, some actions taken by candidates just may send my vote elsewhere. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #36
I don't know what got you started on me so angrily.... madfloridian Jan 2015 #37
Actually i was e replying to Post #2, and yes I believe if one sits on their duff and does not make Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #39
Just to be plain spoken, Bush had every intention on invading Iraq before he was elected, he had to Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #4
I do believe those who voted yes to the Iraq invasion must be reminded over and over. madfloridian Jan 2015 #8
And we should at the same time remind everyone Bush pulled the invasion of Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #9
Thank you RobertEarl Jan 2015 #24
And in this thread Bush gets a pass, does this mean everyone who did not come Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #26
bush gets no pass RobertEarl Jan 2015 #28
You got it reversed, I said Bush was the vote to invade Iraq, he planned it before he was president Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #29
To be clear RobertEarl Jan 2015 #31
If you think they should jump out on him ok, I do not know it is necessary for my good but whatever. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #32
Glad to see you do not give a pass RobertEarl Jan 2015 #33
Bush got a pass? Only from the clintons. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #41
No, we're quite good at blaming more than one person. jeff47 Jan 2015 #11
You can discount her failure to vote no, Bush gave the go ahead, if she would have voted no he would Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #12
Then that's all the more reason for her to have voted no. jeff47 Jan 2015 #14
Plain speaking, the vote in the Senate was 77 yes votes and 23 no, as I stated before it would not Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #15
A no vote might have made Hillary president 6 years ago. Now, she'll never be president. w4rma Jan 2015 #17
It does not matter if it would have changed the outcome. Read her words in the OP. madfloridian Jan 2015 #18
If Hillary voted no what action do you think Bush have taken? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #44
"It's wrong, but I'll vote for it anyway, because everyone else is" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #42
Good point here, Thinkingabout. calimary Jan 2015 #25
To be clear, Bush would not have gotten his way if more had stood up to him. madfloridian Jan 2015 #34
"Bush would not have gotten his way if more had stood up to him." = exactly. I still remember ND-Dem Jan 2015 #43
Damn right. elleng Jan 2015 #5
Seems Papa Paul has many moles. Cryptoad Jan 2015 #10
Heh. I misread the OP title. progressoid Jan 2015 #13
K&R FloriTexan Jan 2015 #16
Phantom Flight From Florida. Tampa Tribune 2001 madfloridian Jan 2015 #19
Senator Bob Graham: The CIA Made Up Two Briefing Sessions. Emptywheel blog. madfloridian Jan 2015 #20
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #21
Awesome post. Much of this is new to me. RiverLover Jan 2015 #30
That is one reason I reposted it in part. madfloridian Jan 2015 #38
Yep. moondust Jan 2015 #40
"the Clintons of all people should have known better given Bill's fairly recent access" madfloridian Jan 2015 #46
k&r, thanks madfloridian. johnnyreb Jan 2015 #45
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