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politicman

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Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:36 AM

Jan 2015

And I'm asking you to tell me the difference between using words or pictures to threaten someone and using words or pictures to ridicule and call someone names.

After all, if words and pictures are considered free speech them why are some words and some pictures deemed to be a crime?

Apparently, according to many on here, just because someone says something or publishes something then too bad, we should just ignore it if we don't like it.
Conversely, if someone publishes or says something threatening, why not just use the same principle of ignore if you don't like it. why does the government considers it a crime.

And lastly, I will put my house on the fact that a majority of the people on here glorifying Charlie Hebdo under the banner of free speech have at some point filed an alert against another poster on here who insults them or denigrates them or insults and denigrates a group of people.

Hypocrisy much

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Weekly print run of 3,000,000 for CHARLIE--usual run is 60,000 [View all] Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 OP

Good. Global Leaders had their photo op and left. But the conversation needs to continue. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #1

were these claims proven false? Desert805 Jan 2015 #2

Do you have a point, because there is none there? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #3

Funny. Desert805 Jan 2015 #5

If you repeat the same thing enough times it becomes true and people will believe you. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #6

Religion played no part in this attack... Desert805 Jan 2015 #7

It played the part of being the public excuse for the attack. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #23

Not you and I, my friend! Desert805 Jan 2015 #24

We should get together for drinks some time. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #26

We'd probably have a good time. Desert805 Jan 2015 #28

you have no more idea what was in the heads of the attackers than anyone else cali Jan 2015 #106

You mean that religion played no part in this attack? fadedrose Jan 2015 #62

Surely. Desert805 Jan 2015 #64

My apologies for not knowing fadedrose Jan 2015 #69

"Surely" = "Shirley" Desert805 Jan 2015 #70

My first thought was that you meant "Surely" fadedrose Jan 2015 #82

There are religious elements to the attack KMOD Jan 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #4

Are you seriously asking folks to consider it was a "False Flag" Desert805 Jan 2015 #8

No, I think people are too gullible and will swallow the media promoted story. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #9

An evil "corporation" executed the Paris attacks Desert805 Jan 2015 #11

In a shiny new Citroen, no less. Very "Mission Impossible", don't you think? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #12

Well, that proves it. Desert805 Jan 2015 #15

And, it was BLACK! Now a Fiat 500 would have suggested Mafioso. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #17

So you find the idea of a False Flag as ridiculous as I do then? Desert805 Jan 2015 #18

The actual truth is difficult for some to swallow. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #13

Oh, I am... Desert805 Jan 2015 #16

That's true. It's lies and propaganda that are easy to swallow. People literally bath in it. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #20

It's too bad you deleted your link. Desert805 Jan 2015 #29

If you edit, the link is still there to be seen. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #30

Yeah, I see your point. Desert805 Jan 2015 #31

You are a critical thinker? 840high Jan 2015 #54

do elaborate. I want to hear from you great self-touting critical thinkers cali Jan 2015 #107

Saved for future reference after the inevitable self delete. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #114

The link he provided did very much Desert805 Jan 2015 #115

As far as I can tell this poster is determined to stake out one outrageous position Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #116

totally. eom Desert805 Jan 2015 #117

That is one f-cked up website you are linking to there oberliner Jan 2015 #21

I will self delete. I hadn't seen anything like that when I first checked. nt NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #22

Suddenly, the French Special Forces didn't execute French citizens... Desert805 Jan 2015 #25

No. You will learn that juries will hide a reply for having a sketchy source. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #27

Don't you think that source is worth hiding? oberliner Jan 2015 #37

I take your word for it. I'm guessing you're right, and I thank you. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #39

Fair enough oberliner Jan 2015 #40

Maybe you should start an OP? Desert805 Jan 2015 #41

critical thinking in action, I see. cali Jan 2015 #108

Not surprising. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #36

No, they were not proven false. 840high Jan 2015 #53

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #10

Thanks for dropping by, see you next time, ta ta for now. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #14

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #19

heres a question for all those that refer to themselves Je suis Charlie... politicman Jan 2015 #32

"disgustingly racist magazine like Charlie Hebdo" Desert805 Jan 2015 #33

so if you don't like it, it's can't be said? better to let the guy shout all he wants because msongs Jan 2015 #34

Ignorance is bliss Desert805 Jan 2015 #35

you didnt answer my question. politicman Jan 2015 #44

I do not think there should be limits on political cartoons, no. Not ever. Desert805 Jan 2015 #45

whats the difference between a political cartton and a KKK flyer making fuin of a black lynching? politicman Jan 2015 #50

Charlie Hebdo is not the KKK Desert805 Jan 2015 #51

thats the best response you could come up with? politicman Jan 2015 #67

No, this is, but you've ignored it: Desert805 Jan 2015 #68

really?? politicman Jan 2015 #86

No, it's a trait of some humorists. Some humorists on the left even. *gasp!* Desert805 Jan 2015 #88

allowing free speech does not mean you agree with it Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #55

of course, so why suddenly is everyone glorifying Charlie Hebdo? politicman Jan 2015 #71

"glorify a magazine whose whole purpose is to offend groups of people" Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #72

then tell me the purpose then please. politicman Jan 2015 #87

Obviously to get people to THINK Warpy Jan 2015 #102

Charlie Hebdo is not racist, they are not homophobic. You spread falsehoods, but even that should Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #38

is there a limit? politicman Jan 2015 #46

You're asking questions that aren't related to the event Desert805 Jan 2015 #49

no id ont think anyone should die for cartoons or anything that offends anyone politicman Jan 2015 #65

I believe their intention was to entertain people. Desert805 Jan 2015 #66

Wow. KMOD Jan 2015 #63

if threatening words are illegal then that shows that we already have restrictions on what we are politicman Jan 2015 #84

If you say "I'm gonna kill you" KMOD Jan 2015 #85

... politicman Jan 2015 #92

can you point me to something that was published, KMOD Jan 2015 #93

Do you want to mail me your house keys Desert805 Jan 2015 #94

this is a privately owned forum with posting rules which everyone posting agreed to uppityperson Jan 2015 #119

would you arrest that guy in the middle of the street? lame54 Jan 2015 #42

Or murder him and everyone around him? Desert805 Jan 2015 #43

I answered your questions Desert805 Jan 2015 #56

replying to yourself asking yourself to reply to yourself? uppityperson Jan 2015 #120

so I hit the wrong reply button- will I be sued? Desert805 Jan 2015 #121

don't you get tired of making baseless assumptions and jumping to of conclusions? uppityperson Jan 2015 #122

Pont out a few and I'll let you know. Desert805 Jan 2015 #123

you aren't worth the time, will give only 1 uppityperson Jan 2015 #124

Sounds like you took my flipant reply Desert805 Jan 2015 #125

ok, that is now 2 examples with an insult thrown in. My name isn't Francis. uppityperson Jan 2015 #128

Send me a PM when I hit 3! Desert805 Jan 2015 #129

uh. huh. Insults are only fun and games until you get called on them? uppityperson Jan 2015 #130

You threw the first insult Desert805 Jan 2015 #131

THAT excuse ends in kindergarten and I not your friend. eom uppityperson Jan 2015 #132

There was no excuse. There was no apology. Desert805 Jan 2015 #133

no i wouldnt. but..... politicman Jan 2015 #47

Two things: Desert805 Jan 2015 #48

two answers... politicman Jan 2015 #57

Dude. Desert805 Jan 2015 #61

same principle. politicman Jan 2015 #80

So what? Desert805 Jan 2015 #81

No, making fun of a religion can also oppose bad attitudes of that religion muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #111

This is the zillionth post Desert805 Jan 2015 #59

I disagree with your assessment. politicman Jan 2015 #73

You can't "disagree" with a fact, anymore Desert805 Jan 2015 #74

I support his right to say it Duckhunter935 Jan 2015 #52

Would you support his right to say it, or would you support the guy saying it? politicman Jan 2015 #75

Answer to your question KMOD Jan 2015 #58

I support all free speech. 840high Jan 2015 #60

What about if someone threatened to kill you and your family by using threatening words? politicman Jan 2015 #77

*sigh* Desert805 Jan 2015 #78

arrgghh politicman Jan 2015 #89

so much wrong... Desert805 Jan 2015 #90

my point is this. politicman Jan 2015 #95

Charlie Hebdo is awesome. Desert805 Jan 2015 #96

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #97

I would NEVER alert on this... Desert805 Jan 2015 #98

You think there's a problem with differentiating between threats of violence, and offensive words? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #112

This post is disgustingly racist and the police should do something about it. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #110

A million other DUers have already refuted the claim that Charlie Hebdo was racist. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #135

It will probably sell out, giving the magazine an infusion of cash it will need Warpy Jan 2015 #79

Looks like they've been given a new lease on life, Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #99

It is difficult to have a true debate Desert805 Jan 2015 #101

Fell in love with Paris decades ago and then made it my home... Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #105

Funny how so many people are pro censorship Warpy Jan 2015 #103

<<<Word!>>> Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #104

Such a heartbreaking way for that money to be found Marrah_G Jan 2015 #118

I know it's not allowed here, KMOD Jan 2015 #83

If "all" = a 6 pack of IPA's Desert805 Jan 2015 #91

<<<This>>>! Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #100

It's pretty clear that Desert already won with a clear knockout. n/t cali Jan 2015 #109

politicman, while claiming to be against denigrating speech in some basic way, was locked out of Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #113

+1 wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #126

Yes!!!nt bravenak Jan 2015 #127

I posted in the Good Reads section of DU this article OKNancy Jan 2015 #134