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109. I do not believe the article blames th cartoonists as some here on DU have been saying but I do find

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 11:51 AM

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it rather disturbing that any questioning of the cause and of these horrendous attacks is met with stuff that reminds me of what post 9/11 questioning of America's role in the ME is/was and how that may have contributed was met wih then

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Freedom of speech or provocation? [View all] oberliner Jan 2015 OP

A lot of people have a problem with freedom of ALL speech. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #1

No, they are all fine with their own freedom of speech Fumesucker Jan 2015 #3

A rephrasing of the same thing. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #6

The French actually have "hate speech" laws. They put people in jail for it. MADem Jan 2015 #81

Revolting. So many cowards. nt Codeine Jan 2015 #2

i think it brings up another question would we be so je suis charlie and happy theyre belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #4

I agree ... cilla4progress Jan 2015 #145

Well, since that has actually happened leftynyc Jan 2015 #151

Yes, indeed. Right now I hear Huckabee is questioning the Obama daughters morals randys1 Jan 2015 #177

I am fully in favor of freedom of speech. This is a western cultural value. Quantess Jan 2015 #5

American notions of free speech are fairly unique, branford Jan 2015 #8

People are only reasonable when they want to be. bemildred Jan 2015 #7

At the end of the article . . . JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #9

Not to mention that the magazine's skirt was much too short. merrily Jan 2015 #10

I'm surprised that you can't believe it. LWolf Jan 2015 #11

That it's happening right here on leftynyc Jan 2015 #153

It sure as hell is. nt LWolf Jan 2015 #187

How does the author, in adjoining sentences, claim the attack has nothing to do with religion Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #12

Coherency is a symptom of apostasy, to make sense is a sin. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #17

I'm sorry but I did not UglyGreed Jan 2015 #13

this is kind of all over the place. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #15

Well I do know if I drew such cartoons UglyGreed Jan 2015 #20

One of the more disgusting comments I've seen about this: "they did it to themselves" cali Jan 2015 #22

It makes my blood boil when UglyGreed Jan 2015 #29

so are you planning to gun someone down for offending you? I'd wager not. cali Jan 2015 #32

This part of the Crusade UglyGreed Jan 2015 #63

Okay, where did the poster say "they did it to themselves"? You put it in quotation marks KittyWampus Jan 2015 #45

It's right there. read it again. cali Jan 2015 #51

You obviously DID NOT read it leftynyc Jan 2015 #62

. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #88

OK - well you've crawled out a little further on that limb el_bryanto Jan 2015 #28

Would they have been murdered by brainwashed UglyGreed Jan 2015 #30

That's irrelevant el_bryanto Jan 2015 #31

I am not saying it was ok to kill them UglyGreed Jan 2015 #37

lol. no, you're just blaming them for being murdered. cali Jan 2015 #41

Don't put words in my mouth UglyGreed Jan 2015 #46

YOU wrote: they did it to themselves. you can't squirm awayn from that line. it's reprehensible cali Jan 2015 #53

Even the cartoonist knew he might be killed UglyGreed Jan 2015 #72

There was more than one cartoonist melman Jan 2015 #113

You are so wise and so informed UglyGreed Jan 2015 #169

If a woman wearing a shirt skirt is raped onenote Jan 2015 #68

No need to. You said that they did it to themselves. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #93

No, they died because people decided to shoot them melman Jan 2015 #47

Please provide a link to the assertion that he was willing to die. nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #49

so what did those in the kosher grocery store do? cali Jan 2015 #33

They were related to cartoon attack UglyGreed Jan 2015 #44

whatever. you don't even make a a semi coherent argument. cali Jan 2015 #55

Yeah whatever UglyGreed Jan 2015 #86

So we should walk on eggshells and try to never offend even the most unreasonably sensitive person.. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #42

Well if you like go ahead and torment UglyGreed Jan 2015 #52

Some people choose to live on their knees. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #54

"live on their knees" usually refers to living under some oppressive force. in what sense ND-Dem Jan 2015 #136

I was referring to us living in fear of terrorism NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #185

How said you want to live leftynyc Jan 2015 #64

Perhaps next you could provide commentary on short skirts and sexual assault. nt Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #103

A women can wear what she likes UglyGreed Jan 2015 #111

Where is the proof the killers leftynyc Jan 2015 #156

Is it the rape victim's fault because she wore a short skirt? Oklahoma_Liberal Jan 2015 #35

+1 and welcome to DU cali Jan 2015 #36

Grasping at straws UglyGreed Jan 2015 #56

When was the fatwa against Rushdie issued? cali Jan 2015 #60

I liked his statement on Charlie Hebdo PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #65

wow. that's great. thanks for posting it. cali Jan 2015 #66

May I ask, ever so innocuously - cilla4progress Jan 2015 #146

They didn't publish racist cartoons so I doubt they'd do that. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #161

I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. .... cilla4progress Jan 2015 #165

Islam is not a race. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #166

So, it's ok to diss a religion cilla4progress Jan 2015 #171

Yes. Absolutely. Ideas dictate behavior, skin color does not. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #173

Your response is so overly simplistic cilla4progress Jan 2015 #175

And I never said or implied that "all" Muslims are anything. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #176

That's why I said cilla4progress Jan 2015 #178

Look at the timing UglyGreed Jan 2015 #73

stretch much, Ugly Greed? cali Jan 2015 #77

still alive, isn't he? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #137

Well, yours could be the most disgusting leftynyc Jan 2015 #61

Thank you UglyGreed Jan 2015 #67

weak. because suggesting you delete a post is just like cali Jan 2015 #70

LOL - a suggestion is not leftynyc Jan 2015 #71

Well I'm not blaming the victims UglyGreed Jan 2015 #84

yeah. everyone but you, all wrong. except YOU wrote that they brought it on cali Jan 2015 #94

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30724678 UglyGreed Jan 2015 #100

good for him. and thumbs down to you for blaming him for being murdered. cali Jan 2015 #102

And I refuse to be railroaded into UglyGreed Jan 2015 #168

"they did it to themselves" *literally* equals blaming them. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #101

Their actions caused these deaths UglyGreed Jan 2015 #170

No, the trigger pullers caused these deaths. delta17 Jan 2015 #183

charlie hebdo made a concious decision to UglyGreed Jan 2015 #184

Posting the cartoons wasn't deadly, getting shot was. delta17 Jan 2015 #186

We don't let violence UglyGreed Jan 2015 #188

"Well I'm not blaming the victims" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #108

Well Charlie knew what he was UglyGreed Jan 2015 #116

He's clearly a victim. He was murdered in cold blood for no other reason but cali Jan 2015 #122

Charlie is the magazine melman Jan 2015 #142

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #129

wll I didn't alert and I'm glad it wasn't hidden. I think the poster's disgusting victim cali Jan 2015 #133

Thank you for posting this UglyGreed Jan 2015 #135

Charlie Hebdo' is a made up title for the publication, not a person's name. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #143

I didn't alert leftynyc Jan 2015 #159

Cleric gives a sermon demonizing gay people, and that's religion? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #16

I don't think it is right to mock anyone UglyGreed Jan 2015 #21

tough that no one likes being mocked or having their beliefs mocked. cali Jan 2015 #23

Yeah mocking poeple always UglyGreed Jan 2015 #26

As did Mark Twain, Dorothy Parker and Lewis Carroll. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #104

If you could not tell UglyGreed Jan 2015 #106

Yet there are congregations with gay pastors treestar Jan 2015 #43

That's not a broad brush, kid, that's contextualization. Religions regularly denigrate LGBT people Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #112

I didn't find the ones I've seen funny either. So what? cali Jan 2015 #19

Victims are usually UglyGreed Jan 2015 #25

they did not pick a fight. period. they expressed a pov cali Jan 2015 #27

Yeah ISIS was created UglyGreed Jan 2015 #34

Your mistake is like some others here on DU leftynyc Jan 2015 #59

yes so effective UglyGreed Jan 2015 #92

wowser. you go from ugly victim blaming to even uglier victim blaming. shame on you. cali Jan 2015 #99

Shame on me for seeing that UglyGreed Jan 2015 #120

bzzzt. fail. it was NOT his choice to be murdered. It was his choice cali Jan 2015 #123

That he himself said UglyGreed Jan 2015 #125

let me translate for you: He was saying that he was willing to stand up for what he believes cali Jan 2015 #130

his words UglyGreed Jan 2015 #140

The only thing that caused death leftynyc Jan 2015 #115

No but he was smart enough to understand UglyGreed Jan 2015 #121

Knowing there are violent animals out leftynyc Jan 2015 #147

Yes so embarrassing UglyGreed Jan 2015 #127

More victim blaming leftynyc Jan 2015 #148

There is nothing reasonable with UglyGreed Jan 2015 #167

None of these victim blamers seem to mention the constant, intentional denigration of LGBT people Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #14

That is part of what makes me so angry oberliner Jan 2015 #18

Maybe we need to blow something up or cut someone's head off, BNW. sibelian Jan 2015 #40

I'm utterly opposed to violence of course, but I am stunned that the very same people who criticized Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #126

Yes. It's revolting. sibelian Jan 2015 #179

US is actually very unique when it comes to freedom of speech laws JonLP24 Jan 2015 #24

I agree JonLP24 Jan 2015 #58

Both. This is not either/or treestar Jan 2015 #38

Our freedoms are not limited to "how bad they get", if they can get bad then we must segregate TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #69

Don't see anyone coming up with any positive solutions treestar Jan 2015 #74

I certainly can't speak for all of DU leftynyc Jan 2015 #162

Appeasement is ALWAYS horrible. You are conflating appeasement with manners and being respectful TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #174

Look up the word in the dictionary. treestar Jan 2015 #189

I know exactly what it means and you know in context that it is surrender under threat of violence. TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #190

The world needs to kill blasphemy taboos, not people. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #39

Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #48

I am not sure. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #50

Good article treestar Jan 2015 #80

+1 treestar Jan 2015 #75

Let's start with the subtitle which was left out of the of the carefully chosen snipettes azurnoir Jan 2015 #76

Carefully chosen snippets? oberliner Jan 2015 #79

first of all, that's a lie. France does "accept" anti-semitism cali Jan 2015 #83

May I also call BS on his last paragraph oberliner Jan 2015 #85

no but the Koran does preach tolerance of other religions azurnoir Jan 2015 #97

Seems pretty hostile towards atheists oberliner Jan 2015 #117

Does the Bible preach tolerance of atheism, if so please cite the passage azurnoir Jan 2015 #128

Not in the slightest oberliner Jan 2015 #132

So what? cali Jan 2015 #119

then you must have missed the part where the Hebdo cartoonist was fired for antisemitism azurnoir Jan 2015 #87

yeah? how does that prove that France accepts anti-Muslim sentiments and cali Jan 2015 #96

I guess being fired for antisemitism is a sign of acceptance of that by an entire nation? azurnoir Jan 2015 #98

I suggest you read post #95 in this thread cali Jan 2015 #105

please post then as you're promoting it apparently it could not be a call out azurnoir Jan 2015 #107

Obviously I'm on azurnoirs ignore list. Feel free to re-copy my post cali nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #118

Charlie Hebdo did indeed satirize Judaism, and Christianity riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #89

and once again which one of those resulted in the firing of a cartoonist? I'll wait :) azurnoir Jan 2015 #90

CH fired the cartoonist who drew anti-Semitic cartoons. We all know that riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #95

huh? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #138

I read the entire article. What are you trying to say? Avalux Jan 2015 #91

I do not believe the article blames th cartoonists as some here on DU have been saying but I do find azurnoir Jan 2015 #109

seriously? cali Jan 2015 #114

when it comes to other religions the Koran does preach some tolerance azurnoir Jan 2015 #124

as I said, both the Bible and the Koran are full of contradictions cali Jan 2015 #134

Do you have some quotes from the Koran about non-believers? oberliner Jan 2015 #139

are you repeating yourself? azurnoir Jan 2015 #152

And the Bible says to follow Jesus you have to sell all you have and give it to the poor. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #141

I pointed out what the Koran says but your point is taken :) azurnoir Jan 2015 #150

It also preaches this cali Jan 2015 #144

wow from a Rightwing Islamophobic website too, guess tolerance is in the eye of the beholder indeed azurnoir Jan 2015 #149

I got the website from an article by Peter Bergen cali Jan 2015 #154

I'm not having a hard time with anything I simply pointed out the website azurnoir Jan 2015 #155

You don't believe? Really? Avalux Jan 2015 #158

it was pointing out the obvious but to say that means the cartoonists at Hebdo deserved it azurnoir Jan 2015 #160

You sure are a wiggly worm. Avalux Jan 2015 #180

If you provoke someone to kill you onenote Jan 2015 #78

NO. BULLSHIT. Charlie Hebdo's cartoons did not cause the explosion of violence. Avalux Jan 2015 #82

Science alone is the Prophet seveneyes Jan 2015 #110

When you say the brainwashing of young minds - do you think children should be allowed in Churchs? el_bryanto Jan 2015 #131

For some definitions of Church seveneyes Jan 2015 #163

Freedom of Speech!!! Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #157

freedom of speech rollin74 Jan 2015 #164

If you don't like THEIR Free Speech.. use YOUR Free Speech. annabanana Jan 2015 #172

"blame the cartoonists for their murder" pales in comparison Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #181

You forgot the magical Jews!! Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #182