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In reply to the discussion: Clearing up misconceptions regarding Anwar al-Awlaki [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)61. People like Scahill and Greenwald intentionally omit stuff like this:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/02/28/uk.terror.verdict/index.html
This was evidence, admitted in contested proceedings in a court of competent jurisdiction.
Scahill NEVER EVEN MENTIONED IT.
This is why the Scahill/Greenwald crowd gets accused of trying to whitewash terrorists--because they have been busted doing exactly that.
A key part of the prosecution case was a series of heavily encrypted messages between al-Awlaki and Karim, in which al-Awlaki pressed for information about Karim's job and his knowledge of airport security.
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
This was evidence, admitted in contested proceedings in a court of competent jurisdiction.
Scahill NEVER EVEN MENTIONED IT.
This is why the Scahill/Greenwald crowd gets accused of trying to whitewash terrorists--because they have been busted doing exactly that.
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I restrict my analysis to what was reported by military and intelligence officials.
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#56
I've written at least two OPs documenting this.....why would you think the Bush
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#85
wow. interesting. who invited him and to lecture about what? and then after being our
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#99
Interestingly, all these concerns were held with high regard when dumbya/cheney was in office..
2banon
Jan 2015
#13
The law does matter. Same reason that shooting soldiers on the battlefield is okay
geek tragedy
Jan 2015
#55
apparently, you haven't quite understood the point of this story.. better have another listen/read.
2banon
Jan 2015
#21
Where were charges filed against Awlaki, which court, what was the evidence presented?
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#113
And on what is tht 'concession' based? Where are the charges? Why is that such a difficult question
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#118
Yeah? Well just remember how many of us disagreed with the OP and those attempting to support them.
stevenleser
Jan 2015
#29
More worried about what the right wing thinks than making sure the facts are correct
JonLP24
Jan 2015
#36
Well, I wouldn't know if it would reasonably slip past him based on the available information is out
JonLP24
Jan 2015
#66
I've said in the past the real problem with al awlaki is that there is no limit on what
geek tragedy
Jan 2015
#70
Do you have any proof that the person posting this thread is actually liberal?
Renew Deal
Jan 2015
#46
There is no misconception no matter how many times you try to tell us that there is one.
stevenleser
Jan 2015
#26
standing up for the rule of law is a losing battle around here if you're perceived as sticking
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#101
Oh, I know - look at some of the posts elsewhere in this thread attacking my character
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#106
+10^10^100, this should be its own OP. Greenwald's bullshit needs more exposure. nt
stevenleser
Jan 2015
#72
You have it exactly correct....this is an embarrassment to GG. So Awlaki is being
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#75
Conspiracy theories lives in the hearts and minds of those prone to believing them.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#76
Nothing ironic about it.....he also hosted 4 9/11 hijackers at his mosques. He was an operative,
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#78
I'm shocked and appalled at the number of people on this site - ostensibly Liberals -
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#81
I'm not defending al-Awlaki, I'm defending the rule of law, due process and habeus corpus.
Maedhros
Jan 2015
#93
How do you propose to protect people from various 'phobias' without a functioning rule of law?
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#103
I wonder at your American exceptionalism. Why does it make a difference if it is a citizen? nt
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#86
Why do you think Awlaki wasn't given due process? It's a common mistake of law and fact that
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#89
Mr. Awlaki not only posted hundreds of videos to YouTube telling his side of the story, he
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#119
Like I couldn't post a bunch of YouTube stuff and put ''msanthrope'' up as its author.
Octafish
Jan 2015
#120
He was in the videos, preaching hate. He had a magazine at his disposal. The ACLU
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#121
the geneva conventions? down the memory hole with them, along with everything that doesn't
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#104