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Manifestor_of_Light

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146. I have an old upright.
Wed Jan 14, 2015, 03:22 AM
Jan 2015

I bought it in the Eighties. It's a 1925 Gulbransen and about a half step low. Five feet tall. It would be good for practicing because of the heavy action. Wooden keys with ivory tops. The soundboard is not cracked and it has the original strings, which is unusual.

Twenty years ago I bought a Kurz (Kurzweil) portable synth and that's my main practice piano. The default sound is classical piano and it's weighted. Not as heavy as the upright keys. Still works well. It also has a lot of other sounds in it should I want to compose MIDI stuff and I have Sonar (formerly Cakewalk) software to run it into a 24 track recorder.

I started lessons at five years of age because we were storing my grandmother's upright and she was still working. She had grown up in the days when everybody had an upright for home entertainment. She could play a bit by ear. I was fascinated and started messing on it. The parents didn't have any talent, but saw me messing around and got me a teacher and I took lessons for 12 years until I finished high school. Then a violin dropped into my lap when I was ten from an estate, and my piano teacher just happened to also be a violinist as well, which is rare. I took lessons on both instruments from him. And it gave me something social to do, starting in sixth grade orchestra. I was completely obsessed with violin for about 15 years and then got tired of it and put it away.

I think if I hadn't been in orchestra my teenage angst would have been worse than usual. It gave me an outlet. I was obsessed with classical music and still groove on it.

I think everybody who wants to learn music should start on piano because it's laid out in front of you, on a small portable keyboard.
And you learn about sharps and flats. Many different kinds of music use piano. I think with my hands in the air, what you'd call "air piano.". My brain will not function on guitar. It doesn't work. Wrong intervals. I am very auditory and kinesthetic.

I think learning an instrument is like doing anything else with your hands, only better. It integrates your brain. I continued the fiddling in college and in community orchestras. Went to music camps in high school and all that. Became a church choir director and piano player. I know that if I practice, it helps my brain and I literally feel much better after practicing. It's very satisfying to play and hear yourself get better. I would get depressed if I didn't have a piano to practice on. And I need to do it frequently, ideally every day.

I like old interesting pop songs like Gershwin and Rodgers and Hart and Kurt Weill, as well as Mendelssohn and Beethoven.

I can't imagine what my life would be like if we had not had that upright in our house back in the 1960s, because music is my religion. There have been several people on my mom's side of the family with musical talent, including a cousin of mine who was a professional trumpet player. One of my cousins has a heavy metal power trio that does weekend gigs.

Many of the people I have known in community orchestras were either mathematicians or programmers. Math and music go together. I don't see why some kid would learn Guitar Hero when they could get a real instrument and learn from a teacher or a book.

Music and science are not either/or. They go together. Albert Einstein was quite a good violinist.

I have always loved practicing. It was never drudgery for me. I think all kids should be offered music lessons. My husband's sister took lessons and had absolutely no concept of pitch or any talent, so his mom decided that since the first kid didn't like it, the second kid wouldn't like it either. He wished his mom had been smart enough to try him out on piano when he was young and get both hands going independently. You never know which kid will enjoy it and have talent.

He played the flute first and switched to the guitar when the Beatles hit America, and he's pretty good. He introduced me to good folk music like Peter, Paul and Mary. They had much more good stuff than just Puff the Magic Dragon and Leavin' on a Jet Plane.

As someone further up the thread said, a kid has to love it and have the discipline to practice. Starting on classical music is a good foundation for going into jazz or rock (like Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman or Jean Luc Ponty or Andy Summers of The Police).

Old pianos are often much better than the new ones. I wish I had room for an old Chickering or a Mason & Hamlin or something similar.

I met my former husband in orchestra. He played string bass, I played first violin. Our child took African drumming and guitar but she didn't really stay with either one. However, she has been exposed to enough good music of all kinds that she can recognize good bands. She once told me she really liked "Revolver" and I decided my music ed program of taking her to the opera (Hansel & Gretel, The Magic Flute, Porgy and Bess) and other things was a success.

And she does like some of the geezer rock that I grew up on in the 60s and 70s and 80s.





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This is a shame kcr Jan 2015 #1
My brother and Mom both have one Johonny Jan 2015 #9
I'd love to have one, too kcr Jan 2015 #113
Yes. LWolf Jan 2015 #99
Most electronic pianos and digital synths can nearly replicate a multitude of instruments. TheBlackAdder Jan 2015 #105
The one we got is pretty nice kcr Jan 2015 #112
The only reason I don't own a piano is because tuning is prohibitively expensive. tridim Jan 2015 #2
I wonder how many people here even know what a weighted MIDI controller is. Trillo Jan 2015 #59
have to agree, although KatyMan Jan 2015 #60
The other day, I was in a thrift store near my home, MineralMan Jan 2015 #63
i wonder how piano tuners are faring Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #136
There are pitchfinding gizmos that do it automatically now Recursion Jan 2015 #150
Maybe they will replace it with BubbaFett Jan 2015 #3
Oh that supply and demand always gets in the way yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #6
Yeah BubbaFett Jan 2015 #8
people don't need USEFUL retail like candle makers anymore I guess mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2015 #27
derp BubbaFett Jan 2015 #34
There are still some that prefer supporting artisans, but it's usually the money class. adirondacker Jan 2015 #141
Sounds like a classic case of pianist envy. Orrex Jan 2015 #4
Ba-dum! n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #35
Many, many people have pianos to give away for FREE. Adopting used piano is saving it: KittyWampus Jan 2015 #5
over twenty years ago hfojvt Jan 2015 #62
If you don't use it you lose it sdfernando Jan 2015 #86
Getting rid of a piano was almost impossible Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #95
We got rid of ours last year Maeve Jan 2015 #109
people like me who would normally have to buy a piano would rather buy a MIDI keyboard belzabubba333 Jan 2015 #7
And electronic pianos are cheaper pscot Jan 2015 #10
Exactly. You can do so much more with today's keyboards, and that's all kids see in popular music. Hoyt Jan 2015 #16
One of my young relatives was given a TR-808 Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #97
I decided to buy a Yamaha weighted action digital because I live in an apartment Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #11
That is what we bought for our son. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #56
It is very expensive gollygee Jan 2015 #12
+100 And yet, it didnt use to be that way. pianos/piano lessons used to be relatively common in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29
I just sent you my kids. bravenak Jan 2015 #42
LOL! n/t JimDandy Jan 2015 #52
LOL gollygee Jan 2015 #53
Does music really make kids do better in school? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #61
Music Education research shows this. Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #79
We've had really strong music programs at the schools my kids attended... SidDithers Jan 2015 #111
While I loved band (playing the euphonium) kentauros Jan 2015 #140
Band and orchestra people are smart. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #144
Then it must have helped mine in ways that kentauros Jan 2015 #147
I don't know. But anecdotally my oldest finds MissB Jan 2015 #80
Yes, but only if they actually study and practice. Daemonaquila Jan 2015 #103
However, I do make the distinction that kentauros Jan 2015 #148
I have a feeling the days of kids learning the piano are over. dilby Jan 2015 #13
This is the sort of thing that makes me wish the USA subsidized arts more: KittyWampus Jan 2015 #14
subsidizing piano tuners when many kids are hungry and poorly educated? Priorities. bettyellen Jan 2015 #25
Bettyellen, if we took trillions from defense we could have all those things. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #70
True, it break my heart how the arts go out the window first... bettyellen Jan 2015 #73
Like piano tuners' kids? GoddessOfGuinness Jan 2015 #137
Arts is a waste of money and time yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #33
Some people thrive at the arts tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #37
I understand what you are saying....I really do yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #39
Math and science should not come at the cost to other subjects tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #47
Wynton Marsalis begs to differ KamaAina Jan 2015 #38
Oh, lord ... I don't even know where to begin with your comment frazzled Jan 2015 #50
without a soul Phentex Jan 2015 #71
It also fosters MuseRider Jan 2015 #88
Some of my fondest memories of elementary school are of music class Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #90
I can still remember first grade ... frazzled Jan 2015 #91
We do children's concerts every year. MuseRider Jan 2015 #106
Cool! /nt frazzled Jan 2015 #110
Mine too! pipi_k Jan 2015 #121
The very end of 1812 MuseRider Jan 2015 #127
My first exposure to the 1812 Overture Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #159
Your reply is spot on. callous taoboy Jan 2015 #98
Thank you. GoddessOfGuinness Jan 2015 #138
Sports is a waste of time and money. Dawson Leery Jan 2015 #57
for example nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #94
I hope that during the remainder of your life you will have some ladjf Jan 2015 #65
No, no it is not. Glassunion Jan 2015 #76
Philistine Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #89
You must have had the "wire mother" growing up. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #92
ROFLMAO nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #124
Tell your cave-man ancestors from 15,000 BCE you cretin, nothing like Repug values on DU, eh ? Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #93
Nothing RW on what I said. yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #107
Oh, yes there is. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #119
I have never heard that yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #122
So much stubborn ignorance in someone claiming to support public education Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #120
Maybe you should tell the fundies about science too. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #128
They are a lost cause. I don't think liberals yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #133
Liberals like the Arts. Kingofalldems Jan 2015 #134
Authoritarian regimes want "political" art that supports their values. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #145
So many things wrong with that comment, I don't even know where to begin... tenderfoot Jan 2015 #100
I guess. Don't worry our country will never get rid of arts completely. You are safe. yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #108
And apparently the arts are getting dumbed down, too. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #116
What a ridiculous false dichotomy of an argument. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #117
That statement is full of BS. Lex Jan 2015 #129
That one is beyond obvious. tenderfoot Jan 2015 #130
He's serving on MIRT too Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #131
Is that why the alert went to the administrators? tenderfoot Jan 2015 #132
Are you freaking serious? This is a shark-jumping moment for DU. bullwinkle428 Jan 2015 #154
Yup: Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #155
That's just fucked up Tom Ripley Jan 2015 #158
Oh, for fuck's sake. Hissyspit Jan 2015 #115
+ 1,000,000,000,000, etc nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #123
That's pretty much verbatim how I feel about non-science STEM subjects. Chan790 Jan 2015 #125
There's a lot of brain-training that goes on in Ilsa Jan 2015 #151
It's a horseshit argument. No one is getting less math and science education because Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2015 #156
Arts are a fundamental part of education and have been so for centuries CreekDog Jan 2015 #157
Music and math are highly related as far as what they are and brain function as most trained uppityperson Jan 2015 #160
Cost would be a pretty big consideration. HappyMe Jan 2015 #15
yet americans did all that when the country was much poorer than it is today... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30
Probably not poorer Americans. HappyMe Jan 2015 #32
probably not, but middle class ones certainly did. as i know from personal experience. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68
I play piano my whole life and never owned one. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #17
Cello's are not cheap either. vi5 Jan 2015 #19
True, I received a used one as a present when I was 9. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #23
But there's always room for cello. Orrex Jan 2015 #45
Ha! vi5 Jan 2015 #49
I played the cello until after I graduate high school. tammywammy Jan 2015 #22
We should start a band! JaneyVee Jan 2015 #24
We just bought my daughter a used piano recently. vi5 Jan 2015 #18
I see 4 or 5 a week, for free on Craigslist pintobean Jan 2015 #20
Cost and size both play a role. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #21
I picked a bad time to get into the piano moving business Capt. Obvious Jan 2015 #26
Moving used pianos should continue to thrive Brother Buzz Jan 2015 #55
Very sad, but very true. MANative Jan 2015 #28
This is too bad. cyberswede Jan 2015 #31
Your story tells why it is NOT a shame. Daemonaquila Jan 2015 #104
Every once in a while I see a "free piano" or "cheap piano" ad on Craigslist. benz380 Jan 2015 #36
Film cameras are essentially obsolete too. hunter Jan 2015 #40
I see free pianos on Craig's List all the time eShirl Jan 2015 #41
Does this mean that fewer people are playing with their organs? Orrex Jan 2015 #43
How much current popular music uses the piano? LeftyMom Jan 2015 #44
One of the top songs of 2014 does tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #48
Maybe Broadway? Maybe composers still work things out on a piano? KittyWampus Jan 2015 #51
Sarah McLachlan, Alicia Keys, Elton John, Norah Jones, Journey, Ben Folds, Tori Amos, Bruce Hornsby Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #58
Almost all of it. jeff47 Jan 2015 #66
Quite a bit of popular music uses piano Glassunion Jan 2015 #74
If you have a piano you want to get rid of, see if your area schools need it. Paladin Jan 2015 #46
Less "real" music now fadedrose Jan 2015 #54
Get off my lawn! KatyMan Jan 2015 #69
+1000000000 Glassunion Jan 2015 #75
This is really sad. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #64
Just a cool piano story... tridim Jan 2015 #67
Cool story! Brilliant nt Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #81
So what did you do with the coins? Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #87
True story... yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #72
Kids who are interested are learning on electronic keyboards Warpy Jan 2015 #77
As noted elsewhere, it's expensive all around MissB Jan 2015 #78
My kids are learning piano abelenkpe Jan 2015 #82
As someone who used to teach piano lessons, I'm not surprised. tanyev Jan 2015 #83
This is a damned shame, TM99 Jan 2015 #84
oh music is so old school ........ olddots Jan 2015 #85
Electronic keyboards are much cheaper and take up less space. B Calm Jan 2015 #96
I have my great grandmother's upright teenagebambam Jan 2015 #101
Electronic Keyboards ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #102
I worry somewhat about losing my touch sensitivity even on a weighted action Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #126
I Still Have A Console ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Jan 2015 #114
A friend of mine lived in Muscatine, Iowa nearly thirty years ago. SheilaT Jan 2015 #118
interesting Liberal_in_LA Jan 2015 #135
The local piano store moved to a smaller location and is now selling out csziggy Jan 2015 #139
They don't make them like that anymore. I just did a quick google and WOW there are some beauties... adirondacker Jan 2015 #142
Those are much fancier than my piano csziggy Jan 2015 #149
Slightly - or maybe more than slightly - off topic... GReedDiamond Jan 2015 #143
I have an old upright. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #146
wow Xilantro Jan 2015 #152
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