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In reply to the discussion: How the liberal left loses the argument. Ceding criticism of Islam to the Right. [View all]m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)111. excellent OP, so many CLUELESS responses,
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
but good OP, clear as day to me.
I will use this as a guide when i respond to my fellow lefty facebook friends who are screeching BIGOT at anybody who points out the religion of the attackers.
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How the liberal left loses the argument. Ceding criticism of Islam to the Right. [View all]
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
OP
There is no center. You are either center left or center right, but whatever.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#11
Also the 'liberal left' is not the 'communist left', or 'socialist left'
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#124
I'm sorry but, "not real muslims" is the opposite of nuance and complexity.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#5
"It definitely is the truth" - well I really didn't want to get into that aspect of the problem on
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#10
It is the identical argument as to why David Duke and jihadist KKK are not true Christians....simple, really.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#32
Ok Fred, but you haven't actually made the argument, you've just restated the claim while changing
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#40
It is evil. It is not Islam. "In the name of..........." (fill in the blank) is the cover.
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#127
I don't know what "jihadist KKK" means, but David Duke is DEFINITELY a "true Christian".
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2015
#85
I perceive myself as a Soverign Citizen without allegiance to the flag on any thing else...does that
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#129
The person born as my Daughter Allison 23 years ago now PERCEIVES HIMSELF TO BE A MAN.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2015
#156
Defining evil is problematic? Religions live and die defining evil! Not Killing is way up there in all
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#126
They were warped, idiotic radical terrorists who had a fucked-up and twisted view of Islam.
MADem
Jan 2015
#82
There was significant support among christians here for the murder of Dr. Tiller,
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#202
I believe the disconnect comes because people see statements like yours to have an opposite side...
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2015
#86
The same way that a radical Christian terrorist shoots a doctor providing abortions in the name of
pampango
Jan 2015
#108
It doesn't make them 'not a true Christian'; if they are Christian, and not 'not-a-true-Christian'
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#133
Oh, horse poop. Howard Dean did make the comment, the poster is objecting to it.
MADem
Jan 2015
#110
And peoples view of their religion isn't 'twisted and warped' because you say it is.
cleanhippie
Jan 2015
#138
Yes, and there's plenty of that to go around--but we're not talking about THOSE issues, are we?
MADem
Jan 2015
#186
Dean is either not very bright or is willing to lie casually, when he was Chair of this Party, on TV
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#137
same thing happened in the 30's when liberals ceded criticism of the Jews
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#3
Because slaughtering folks is the same as photoshopping, that is your equivalent action to
Fred Sanders
Jan 2015
#132
much of the criticism I have seen here on DU lately has been anything but reasoned criticism
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#142
Of course Harris didn't quite say what Harris is portrayed as having said.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#149
Except that Judaism was not one of the most powerful and harmful forces of repression in the world.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#175
no they were not a major force for evil but if you listened to the anti-Semitic propagandist of the
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#178
it is true that relative to their population size in Germany - a major portion of Germany's
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#188
Yup. I think many on the left feel compelled to defend Islam because the RW criticizes it.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#4
The clip wasn't long enough to get a full context, so I googled and got this:
freshwest
Jan 2015
#17
Extremely medieval, thanks for the link. Just skimming over it and link 'here' is gross.
freshwest
Jan 2015
#55
The other question though is how much culpability should be apportioned to other Muslims
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#13
I quite liked the cover - but people have pointed out that the nose on the face looks like a
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#23
I don't think that's the case. His friends and colleagues are dead. This seemed sincere.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#25
none. But the real question is how best to make sure that doesn't happen.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#119
Is the best way to go after the problem for the liberal left to go after religion? nt
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#128
Starting out being honest about the problems with religious extremism would be a good start.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#148
there is no way left is going to win ANY major discourse no matter what 'framing'
certainot
Jan 2015
#18
Grammar Nazi here: "Tenets" (not "tenants," unless you're discussing sub-par
KingCharlemagne
Jan 2015
#80
Actually I said we should reject the framing from the right, but it was too dumb for you to get that
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#45
HEY!! STOP TRYING TO USE NUANCE! The OP explicitly forbade using such details. (nt)
jeff47
Jan 2015
#39
You have yet to address a single point I actually made in my very short three paragraphs.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#120
Sometimes I think I'm posting in swahili and the responses are in urdu.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2015
#51
Nobody should be criticizing Islam. We should all be criticizing batshit crazy fundamentalism--
eridani
Jan 2015
#50
In-group loyalty is the real problem. Religion, historically, is just another excuse for that
eridani
Jan 2015
#57
This is a key point in this argument where people are talking past each other
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#151
To make it clear - as a believer - I think that that people pushing those arguments
el_bryanto
Jan 2015
#199
First left-liberals will need to talk about classism and how it relates to religion.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2015
#73
I'm not gonna be a damn defensive liberal so I'm off to try to get halal banned!
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#77
Little known Stephanie Bannister fact - Halal's the capital city of the country called Islam...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#92
if there were any specific reason to ban brothers from making babies she'd be one
MisterP
Jan 2015
#94
Not even bacon? Bacon and egg rolls with BBQ sauce is my fave breakfast ever...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#91
Nope- It's weird. Here I'm an Atheist and have this almost monk-like, ascetic existence.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2015
#93
The proscription of eating pork meat made sense in the middle east of antiquity, not now
Albertoo
Jan 2015
#99
Oh, yeah, I get why it happened. like, trichinosis is no picnic I think.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2015
#101
Somehow, the solution to every problem, perceived problem or trumped up problem of the left is
merrily
Jan 2015
#102
Strawman. "they weren't real Muslims" is a mischaracterization of the argument.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2015
#104