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In reply to the discussion: "there’s reason to believe the link between falling unemployment and rising wages has been severed" [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)83. "Probably" ... "Surely" ...
do not equal to "Have" or "did."
Do you really believe they will be lobbying for legislation that will make generating profits abroad more burdensome? Do you really believe that they are writing this legislation and aggressively lobbying for it so that jobs will be more attractive for Americans instead of making things easier for them to make more profit everywhere they do business? They have the interests and well-being of American citizens in mind even if it comes at a cost to their bottom line when creating the TPP?
That's a bunch of questions in one paragraph; but ...
No, as you correctly mention, (most) corporations do not give a second thought to the interests of nation-state, nor their citizens; but, corporation are known for trading profits for security/predictability in dealing. That is what trade deals do ... provide that security/predictability in dealings.
I think you are naive about the extent to which corporations get to actually write legislation in this country as well. Lobbyists hand drafts over to legislators all the time that seem to make it into final legislation. I see no reason to believe that they haven't been able to do the same with the TPP (especially since it would be even easier to do behind the cloak of secrecy that surrounds it).
No ... I am not naïve to the workings ... ALEC has proven that industry actor can and do write legislation for elected officials, how press them into law ... sometimes without even redacting ALEC's name; but those are elected official ... that take industry dollars, not trade negotiators, i.e., professional bureaucrats.
And, I just don't believe that they would be willing to drive up their costs in the short-run. I don't buy that for a minute. I need to see and read the TPP before I could ever begin to support it. Have you read it? If not, how could you be so sure about the arguments you are making on its behalf?
I'll go one better ... I need to see and read the TPP before I, even, take a position (pro or con) on the proposed agreement. Go through everything I have written on the TPP ... point to a single instance where I have taken a position on TPP. I have, however, posted that part of the TPP "debate" that is being left out ... the US' negotiating objectives. Including information is not the same as advocating for a particular out-come.
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"there’s reason to believe the link between falling unemployment and rising wages has been severed" [View all]
marmar
Jan 2015
OP
No doubt about it. Our workers now have to compete with Bangladesh wages (and working conditions)
Doctor_J
Jan 2015
#1
You are spot on. The TPP is indefensible, and I wish, in a way, TPP supporters
djean111
Jan 2015
#20
+ 1000 to that. Anyone with Wall St investments is a TPP supporter at this point.
raouldukelives
Jan 2015
#118
count me as cynical, with cause to be. if you're not, you haven't been paying attention.
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#94
he's not soft peddling it. This is a hard sell of yet another far right abomination
Doctor_J
Jan 2015
#67
The "US's position" is the position of the multinational corporate lobbyists.
stillwaiting
Jan 2015
#58
and people who used farmers markets used to be 'well outside' too. but now we have two
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#93
I live in a poor, conservative town and a hell of a lot of people go to the farmers' market.
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#99
no (though we don't have a 'mega' grocery store.) but being as 20 years ago we didn't even
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#103
All of the language in the negotiating position of all of the partners ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jan 2015
#26
I have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to have a reasoned debate here on DU about this
MADem
Jan 2015
#55
"...build on the strong labor provisions in the most recent U.S. trade agreements"< Which destroyed
jtuck004
Jan 2015
#100
I don't think he missed it all seeing the same point is right there in the blurb
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#86
I don't know if it's you or me, but I'm having a hard time getting your meaning. "Demanders"
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#95
Outsourcing results in factories closing when the entire function is outsourced
seabeckind
Jan 2015
#36
It is so curious to me that income inequality does not mean "equality" to some
BrotherIvan
Jan 2015
#74
yup - too many people are distracted by shiny numbers and not seeing the real picture
Skittles
Jan 2015
#91
Sorry this is happening for so many new hires. I can only speak for my family 4 re-employments
kelliekat44
Jan 2015
#47
BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT RAISING TH MINIMUM WAGE! so says the tinklebell wing.
pansypoo53219
Jan 2015
#66
And the president's a good man. He would never favor corporations over Americans
Doctor_J
Jan 2015
#68
Things are going to get even worse with Deep Learning AI threatening many service and admin jobs
AZ Progressive
Jan 2015
#104
Americans have been suckered into believing $15 an hour is a really good deal....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2015
#109
Mission almost accomplished. Creating a cheap labor force right here in the US.
sabrina 1
Jan 2015
#120