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ParkieDem

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33. I think this is a big part of it ...
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
Apr 2012

... this idea that inertia would always keep America on top, that things would always be the way they are.

In the first 20+ years of the postwar era, most of the world's capacity for industrial production had been blown to shit. Europe was devastated, as was Russia and Japan. Places like China, India and Africa were nothing but subsistence agricultural backwaters. The United States, on the other hand, was supplying the Allies' insatiable appetite for industrial products while facing little direct threat of invasion or strife on its soil. As a result, the war enabled our factories to become the world's most productive and technologically advanced.

After the war, the rest of the world was desperate for all types of goods. Steel, cars, trains, buses, aircraft, engines, just to name a few. The United States was the only country that could provide these things in meaningful quantities. There was no competition. Some corporate executives, union leaders, and politicians believed it would "always" be this way.

Of course, it wasn't. The only constant is change. Did we just think Europe and Japan would lay idly by while we were the sole suppliers of industrial products? Of course not. It was only a matter of time before they started making their own stuff, and then started to export it.

To a degree, this is an oversimplification, no doubt. Policy blunders and poor decisions were made, and all sorts of external factors impacted the decline of American manufacturing. But I think the immediate postwar era, and the subsequent remobilization of industry abroad, has a lot to do with it.

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Its sad really madokie Apr 2012 #1
It all started when the powers that be re-branded the people of this nation... Javaman Apr 2012 #3
You know I think you are right madokie Apr 2012 #6
I am glad the author was honest and not playing the victim of the puppet joeglow3 Apr 2012 #8
Two fords in our driveway madokie Apr 2012 #9
Amen. joeglow3 Apr 2012 #10
I owned a couple VWs madokie Apr 2012 #12
Me either... well, not technically. Fawke Em Apr 2012 #54
Me, either! hamsterjill Apr 2012 #94
And then took it one step further Rex Apr 2012 #39
I'm 63 Y/O And I Made The Comment Just The Other Day........ global1 Apr 2012 #13
Sad madokie Apr 2012 #14
Greed is like a cancer--it hollows one out. I think this is a big part of the answer. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #86
If Gm would have made better postulater Apr 2012 #2
I have always bought GM and never bought "big stupid cars" joeglow3 Apr 2012 #4
Stagnant incomes for workers didn't help any JHB Apr 2012 #5
That doesn't change the fact that those purchase made DID go overseas. joeglow3 Apr 2012 #7
But GM was slow to adopt change at it's most crucial time ... Auggie Apr 2012 #16
Yes. It was the management who is to blame for all that, IMO. closeupready Apr 2012 #59
While I believe that to be true... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #61
Aw, the tried and true excuse for not buying American. Play it again Sam. nt. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #11
They'll be saying the exact same thing about YOU when your job is outsourced. Nobody will care any Romulox Apr 2012 #19
+1 HappyMe Apr 2012 #20
I have to agree badtoworse Apr 2012 #21
I owned one Japanses car for all of 3 months. Traded it in on a new Corvette (1986). sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #24
To be fair, the Citation did run pretty well... badtoworse Apr 2012 #75
Yes! I got a 1997 Saturn used and have had very few problems eridani Apr 2012 #147
That's why I buy all foreign goods. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #27
"Solidarity!"? With Who? n/t A Simple Game Apr 2012 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author pintobean Apr 2012 #43
Which part? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #45
Sorry, I misunderstood pintobean Apr 2012 #49
I buy American products when I can find them and I'll even pay a premium for them. badtoworse Apr 2012 #81
So what do you drive today? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #85
A Subaru Forester and a Toyota Highlander badtoworse Apr 2012 #89
It's amazing that Toyota's numerous recent mechanical difficulties did not dissuade you. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #92
The Highlander seems to have been pretty good since 2008 badtoworse Apr 2012 #96
Your loyalty is obvious. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #98
I'm the same way--which is why H1Bs are so awesome. Better than Americans, and so much cheaper! Romulox Apr 2012 #87
I laid out my experience in Post 81 badtoworse Apr 2012 #90
Not talking about cars--I'm talking about workers. I'm talking about *you*. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #91
That didn't answer my question badtoworse Apr 2012 #95
"replacement carb"??? Electronic fuel injection became standard in the late 70s. Romulox Apr 2012 #93
The 1983 Cutlass Ciera V6 had a 2 bbl. badtoworse Apr 2012 #99
THIS Buick Ciera? "It consistently ranked among the highest rated vehicles by J.D. Power..." Romulox Apr 2012 #101
Mine was an '83 and it was the worst car I ever owned. badtoworse Apr 2012 #103
Funny how bad things seem to happen to you in spurts, when others have such different results. Romulox Apr 2012 #105
There are such things as lemons... badtoworse Apr 2012 #106
There were cars, including domestics, using carbs NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #120
They got complacent 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #26
I think this is a big part of it ... ParkieDem Apr 2012 #33
Saab - ROFL snooper2 Apr 2012 #28
I had always heard that HappyMe Apr 2012 #35
Know why they call them Saabs? That's what you do when you get the repair bill. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #40
Two of my friends would wholeheartedly agree - nt. badtoworse Apr 2012 #78
They've been pushing that crap for 40 years, and it has yet to be true. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #32
Same for everything else. Foreign products are just better. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #42
This has nothing to do with solidarity, any more than allowing the companies to loot Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #52
Let's put it this way. You have two cars of near equal value. An American built by union labor Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #56
It doesn't exist, if it did I would buy the union made vehicle every time. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #66
Keep telling yourself that. No wonder other countries leave us in the dust. They actually buy Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #67
You have yet to make a single point other than that you've mastered the science of smilies. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #70
No, you've made my points quite nicely. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #72
Oh and you are wrong about that, too. Mexicans for example, build Chevys Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #76
What do Japanese and Germans buy? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #79
japanese cars don't sell that well in europe (& there may be trade reasons) HiPointDem Apr 2012 #133
That's a good point and every nation buys more of its own than others. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #140
i'd be interested to see it. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #142
I beg to differ. Fawke Em Apr 2012 #57
I should have been more specific. We drive Mercedes & Nissan, and I have yet to find an Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #60
There's always some excuse. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #62
No excuse, reality. My cars were nicer rolling off the showroom floor, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #64
Long live the free market! nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #65
Union? I don't think so! nt Romulox Apr 2012 #97
USW Local 711. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #107
You know what? I don't believe you. Romulox Apr 2012 #110
You know what? Nobody cares what you believe. You seem incapable of comprehending Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #118
Did you look at Ford's offerings? Fawke Em Apr 2012 #121
Yes I did but in 2007 it wasn't even close. The Fusion cost more, lower MPG, less power, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #129
+1 proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #74
There's nothing worse than a member Union Scribe Apr 2012 #115
Solidarity! Unless Consumer Reports says otherwise. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #141
Remember when you claimed your Prius was made in Oregon??? Romulox Apr 2012 #134
And I remember publicly apologizing for my mistake proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #145
Your "mistake" was thinking that the coast was clear for more anti-Labor posts. Romulox Apr 2012 #146
Because only your union matters, right? Codeine Apr 2012 #139
Does that help your conscience? nt Union Scribe Apr 2012 #114
I've always driven GM cars and still do notadmblnd Apr 2012 #128
We bought our first new car... meaculpa2011 Apr 2012 #15
DUers love to tell how "Solidarity!" and "I support unions!" doesn't include autoworkers. Romulox Apr 2012 #17
There's more support for unionized sex workers than for the UAW around here. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #143
I don't give a damn what people drive. But to claim to be a union leader, as some folks do... Romulox Apr 2012 #159
Also, pure comedy gold: "Is USPS the canary in the coalmine?" Romulox Apr 2012 #18
I'd rather push a Chevy than drive an import... lastlib Apr 2012 #22
You have that opportunity and are welcomed to it. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #68
I've done both badtoworse Apr 2012 #108
I have two american cars in my driveway. CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #23
Um, if you need an affordable option and can't buy a "new" car snooper2 Apr 2012 #29
I still think the industry needs to create a cheaper product CBGLuthier Apr 2012 #31
I picked up a $1300 1995 Nissan Altima on Craigslist snooper2 Apr 2012 #34
'67 LeMans, 81 Century Wagon, and '85 Astro Van -- I learn slowly, but never again. FarCenter Apr 2012 #25
GM killed GM by making horrible turds in the 1980's Throd Apr 2012 #30
Geez... that was nearly 30 years ago! Fawke Em Apr 2012 #126
30 years ago, but the damage still lingers to this day. Throd Apr 2012 #131
American and union aren't interchangable Spike89 Apr 2012 #36
LOL at all the excuses! I'm sure these same cop-outs won't be applied to *your* livliehood, though. Romulox Apr 2012 #38
If I give my clients shitty service and they don't come back, who is at fault? Throd Apr 2012 #41
If it's cheaper to outsource *your job* to a third-world hellhole, who is at fault? Nobody's. Romulox Apr 2012 #44
So people should buy what they deem to be an inferior product? Throd Apr 2012 #47
Nope. Economic/social darwinism should rule our country. But that also includes *your job*. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #48
I'm OK with that. Throd Apr 2012 #50
That's what makes you so "progressive", no doubt! nt Romulox Apr 2012 #51
You don't understand. Blue collar workers or as I like to call them "the little people" should be Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #53
Two unions matter: Teachers' and USPS. Everybody else has to COMPETE! in a bloody winner-take-all Romulox Apr 2012 #55
UAW should have charged less for their cars. How can I be expected to pay 1K more for union labor? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #58
Foreign auto companies are heavily unionized cap Apr 2012 #71
You misread that. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #73
I wish I had a dollar for every UAW member that crossed our picket line. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #119
Based on your logic it was simply well-deserved revenge--grocery workers Romulox Apr 2012 #130
No. you NEVER CROSS A PICKET LINE. EVER. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #135
Driving a scab-mobile is the exact equivalent of crossing a picket line. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #138
Let he beautiful invisible hand of the free market guide consumers choice. LOL. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #46
So what, ah, should have been done? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #63
Just can't wait to read the answer to this... n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #77
Same thing that should be done NOW--a cutthroat, darwinian race to the bottom in which Romulox Apr 2012 #83
I understand that you aren't happy with the way things went 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #88
Um, dude. Things didn't "went". Things are *going right now*. You don't have it made. Romulox Apr 2012 #100
Ok, so you aren't happy with the way things *are going* 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #109
Dude, I'm racing to the bottom right with you! Yeehaaaaw! nt Romulox Apr 2012 #111
And I think we're done here 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #152
So to be clear, we are obligated to buy inferior products at inflated prices so that Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #69
Not at all. But you don't get to push Rightwing economics and pat yourself on the back Romulox Apr 2012 #84
First, my job was sold off by a Democratic administration bent on the destruction of our Sovereignty Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #102
You should be applauding that. It's called "efficiency"! Cool story about your revenge fantasy, tho Romulox Apr 2012 #104
Revenge fantasy? Neither you nor Snake have any point to make, and now you're off Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #112
From your own post Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #113
Probably not going to buy another Mercedes and I've always found Toyotas overpriced, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #122
And you do know that the Japanese have incredible nationalistic loyalty. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #124
That's complete shit that you pulled straight out of your ass. I'm sorry that people don't Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #149
Hit a nerve did I? Tough looking in the mirror. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #150
You really do need to get out of your head and out IRL. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #153
Go peddle those anti-union talking points elsewhere. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #154
What the fuck website am I on? Union Scribe Apr 2012 #117
Believe it or not things have improved a lot here at DU in the past ten years or so NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #144
No shit, whenever this subject comes up Union Scribe Apr 2012 #116
us gave auto market segment to japan on purpose. quid pro quo in return for acting as US HiPointDem Apr 2012 #80
I come from a GM family. JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #82
We will only buy American branded Trucks... Tikki Apr 2012 #123
Multinational corporations are loyal only to themselves. tabasco Apr 2012 #125
Isn't it ironic to read workers who've been screwed and screwed and screwed some more Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #136
K&R SpartanDem Apr 2012 #127
This thread needs a fumigator. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #132
Suggestion for the next union contract badtoworse Apr 2012 #148
Same with the American workers in general. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #151
What's silly about you is you can't imagine someone who isn't in the UAW sticking up for it. Romulox Apr 2012 #156
Not at all. I'm well aware of union solidarity badtoworse Apr 2012 #157
Anyone else notice the link to a DU thread in the article? flvegan Apr 2012 #137
Wow, what a powerful confession. Zalatix Apr 2012 #155
I made the change...from Infiniti to Saturn... Evasporque Apr 2012 #158
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