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BainsBane

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270. When "the religion asks"
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jan 2015

Religions don't ask. People do. There is no singular spokesman for Islam. We aren't talking about a single hierarchical organization. Most of the adherent to that religion are poor, non-white, half are women, and likely the same percent are LGBT as of any other religious or ethnic group. A religion doesn't ask. It is human beings who ask and deserve respect, and I for one do not think it acceptable to exclude great swaths of humanity from respect because of the little I know based on propaganda in US media, propaganda designed to vilify people in order to justify perpetual war against them. The finger wagging by Americans without the first inclination for self reflection is the height of irony. Americans bomb, torture, and wage endless war, but people here see themselves as superior to the Muslims they look upon with derision, pretending to do so under the guise of opposition toward "a religion," as though that were somehow separable from its ethnic, social, and geopolitical context. The media and US government have taught Americans to despise the enemy, and they have dutifully obeyed.

As for asking for respect for themselves and not caring about respect toward other groups, that is an all too common practice.

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A bunch of their staff got murdered last week el_bryanto Jan 2015 #1
I don't think they should be apologetic at all BainsBane Jan 2015 #2
I think they Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #11
Not just to those who attacked them BainsBane Jan 2015 #13
And those who didn't attack them Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #16
Did I suggest otherwise? BainsBane Jan 2015 #19
lol. no you aren't clear. you contradict yourself. cali Jan 2015 #24
It really isn't a very difficult concept BainsBane Jan 2015 #29
Yep.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #43
As am I Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #144
Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #48
I think it is disinegenuous for religions which create an industry out of invective aimed at others Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #108
this. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #119
This is a good response. nt cyberswede Jan 2015 #137
Yep Go Vols Jan 2015 #140
Beautifully said! nt Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2015 #218
I agree. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #225
Awesome. trotsky Jan 2015 #269
When "the religion asks" BainsBane Jan 2015 #270
Blammo! hifiguy Jan 2015 #280
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #304
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #344
i think there is something evil about killing innocent people samsingh Jan 2015 #303
Who cares if they find it offensive? Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #125
What did you think my point was? nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #131
No, I agree with you. Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #152
Are they pretending to not disrespect Islam? aikoaiko Jan 2015 #3
Of course they aren't. sibelian Jan 2015 #4
And easily offended LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #14
Yes, I think they are BainsBane Jan 2015 #7
So what? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #49
The point of free speech is to express ideas BainsBane Jan 2015 #56
Sure, criticize all you want SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #59
The point of speech is to communicate BainsBane Jan 2015 #63
Again SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #66
says you. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #91
You say that and keep saying that yet so many find your message to be irksome. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #130
That people see the issue differently BainsBane Jan 2015 #232
"We've been subject to a lot of propaganda" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #293
They have their own BainsBane Jan 2015 #320
How insulting. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #334
"blasphemy" is and idea- one which rejects the authority of religion to dictate cali Jan 2015 #67
They drew Mohammad as a dick head. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #272
And? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #282
There was no intention to make nice. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #283
Then those who are "disrespected" get the red out Jan 2015 #333
didn't you see their press conference? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #156
I did not aikoaiko Jan 2015 #157
baloney. first of all, there is no prohibition in the Koran cali Jan 2015 #5
+1 Desert805 Jan 2015 #8
Let me figure out your argument BainsBane Jan 2015 #9
why yes, I get to have an opinion and mine is that someone outside of a faith cali Jan 2015 #18
And... Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #145
Here is more information, "Shia Islam, however, images of Muhammad are quite common nowadays" uppityperson Jan 2015 #25
I don't really think "quite common" is an accurate discriptor. I think "exists" is MADem Jan 2015 #121
Iman is a fashion model. I think you meant to type "imam." nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #298
We really need a leftynyc Jan 2015 #30
cali, I'm often in disagreement with you, but today, Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #34
So what if it was disrespectful? Why shouldn't it be? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #274
Good for them if they don't. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #6
Why should any non-Muslim choose to adhere to the restrictions of the Muslim faith?... SidDithers Jan 2015 #10
Gotta agree. cwydro Jan 2015 #31
ZING! Sid you never fail to come through in the clutch. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #52
RIGHT ON!!! n/t beaglelover Jan 2015 #78
+1 NuclearDem Jan 2015 #141
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #178
It's "hebdo" (which means "weekly"), not "ebdo" (even if the H is silent). Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #12
BRAVO!!!!! nt 1bigdude Jan 2015 #15
I conssider it a failure of imagination BainsBane Jan 2015 #17
What part of they aren't Muslims is so very difficult for you to grasp? cali Jan 2015 #21
So you endorse the view that real France isn't Muslim BainsBane Jan 2015 #23
oh and where o where did I say that? No where. cali Jan 2015 #27
Ah yes, the oldest trick in the book BainsBane Jan 2015 #51
not a trick. it's what you're doing and you're clearly not terribly well informed cali Jan 2015 #62
I think it's a failure of imagination to think they could conceivably have done otherwise. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #28
Bingo! cwydro Jan 2015 #94
I, like everyone else, knew they would publish another imagine of Mohammad BainsBane Jan 2015 #222
+1. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #301
Images of Muhammad are common in Shia Islam. uppityperson Jan 2015 #33
Thanks for that. nt BainsBane Jan 2015 #40
you are welcome, I am learning as I go along too. I have changed my mind on some of the uppityperson Jan 2015 #44
See this BainsBane Jan 2015 #240
Centuries of Muslims cwydro Jan 2015 #72
Great point, cwydro! Cass Jan 2015 #143
Me too. cwydro Jan 2015 #155
Do you know anything about Western European and American history? BainsBane Jan 2015 #216
If you choose to not draw Mohammad, don't draw him. That seems simple. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #73
Why should they censor their cultural expression to not hurt others' sensibilities? TransitJohn Jan 2015 #106
YEEEESSSSSS! Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #39
+10 840high Jan 2015 #169
"Any depiction of the Prophet Mohammad is seen as blasphemous under Islam" seveneyes Jan 2015 #20
And that's not even the truth leftynyc Jan 2015 #36
Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #314
Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch......Fail. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #22
Maurice Sinet knows something about French political correctness, closeupready Jan 2015 #26
They aren't the only ones with that double standard BainsBane Jan 2015 #37
but that was about an actual person , not some figure in a religion, wouldn't a better comparison be JI7 Jan 2015 #54
Well, figures in religions were actual people, too. Bhudda was closeupready Jan 2015 #60
i think they probably have different standards when it comes to actual currently living people JI7 Jan 2015 #64
Perhaps. No analogy is perfect, for sure. closeupready Jan 2015 #82
You are wrong, they do parody "actual currently living people." U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #93
You think that cartoon needs an excuse? It's mocking the far right wing. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #113
If you read the subthread you may get an answer to your "question" U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #168
If that's your claim I'm sure you are being honest about it. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #239
The problem was in attacking someone with power BainsBane Jan 2015 #278
Jesus as a real person seveneyes Jan 2015 #98
Not "merely insinuating that Sarkozy's son had become Jewish", but that he did it for money muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #139
Sinet never conceded that, and far from being clearly anti-semitic or even ambiguous, closeupready Jan 2015 #147
Speaking of double standards oberliner Jan 2015 #163
Life of Brian Astrad Jan 2015 #306
In short BainsBane Jan 2015 #211
Charlie Hebdo speaks for a world who is tired of murderous assholes. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #32
I guess they could have said "OK, we've learned our lesson, no more depictions of the Prophet, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #35
In my opinion leftynyc Jan 2015 #41
This is absolute garbage oberliner Jan 2015 #38
I should have specified Sunni Islam. BainsBane Jan 2015 #46
According to Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of Notre Dame.... oberliner Jan 2015 #55
Both informative articles BainsBane Jan 2015 #75
Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #315
Islam is getting all the respect it has earned! 4139 Jan 2015 #42
And another who confuses murderous fundamentalists with the entire religion. uppityperson Jan 2015 #47
+1 cali Jan 2015 #53
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #103
Islam deserves as much respect as Extremist Fundamentalist Christian asses? uppityperson Jan 2015 #138
Thanks for your enlightening comment YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #126
Saying "goddamnit" is blasphemous to Christianity. Xithras Jan 2015 #45
This, now, is a good argument, as opposed to closeupready Jan 2015 #57
I'm not suggesting anyone abide by tenets of a religion BainsBane Jan 2015 #80
You can respect or disrespect anybody you want. Xithras Jan 2015 #128
Thank you so much for this. annabanana Jan 2015 #134
wonderful reply. thank you!! PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #135
+1 zappaman Jan 2015 #136
Perfectly stated. Thank you. Desert805 Jan 2015 #179
+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #184
Charlie Hebdo is indeed a product of Western culture BainsBane Jan 2015 #206
Would you have problem with a magazine that satarized prayin4rain Jan 2015 #326
I might find it offensive BainsBane Jan 2015 #328
I think i get what you're saying. You think it's mean prayin4rain Jan 2015 #335
Agreed! n/t prayin4rain Jan 2015 #325
You're goddamn right! zappaman Jan 2015 #83
Apparently Mohammed saying 'all is forgiven' is just as offensive ... GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #99
FAIL R3druM Jan 2015 #50
Free speech is often very disrespectful. bravenak Jan 2015 #58
But punching down is so much easier BainsBane Jan 2015 #61
I do not understand the way people are trying to stop the free speech of criticism. bravenak Jan 2015 #68
no one is trying to stop the free speech of criticism- we're simply criticizing it cali Jan 2015 #81
We all find murder more offensive, I hope. bravenak Jan 2015 #88
I was a student in France over 20 years ago, and I recall closeupready Jan 2015 #87
I have heard of such things from a girl who danced with me in a small troop. bravenak Jan 2015 #95
Freedom from getting shot and killed, is that the "criticism" you mean? uppityperson Jan 2015 #71
Not talking about Charlie Hebdo here BainsBane Jan 2015 #77
Except that the point they are making is not similar to Repubicans who say 'Welfare Queens' the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #160
I understand that that's what is said about the intent. bravenak Jan 2015 #161
It was not drawn in America, and it is not 'what's said on the intenet' it is what it means. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #236
I can stand with Le Pen? bravenak Jan 2015 #237
You agree with him about Charlie, that's just the fact. Why do you think he hates them? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #242
I simply think that that particular cartoon was racist. bravenak Jan 2015 #244
oops you forgot... giftedgirl77 Jan 2015 #263
Ooooh, my bad! bravenak Jan 2015 #265
No one is obliged to follow the rules of any religion REP Jan 2015 #65
Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #316
Here's another cartoon depicting the prophet - oh those naughtly French! Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #69
Question: R3druM Jan 2015 #70
Huge fail since rape is not about retaliation for wearing skimpy clothes, being "disrespectful" uppityperson Jan 2015 #74
It most certainly can be and has been. cemaphonic Jan 2015 #174
woman raped for skimpy clothes? did you actually read this before hitting post? bettyellen Jan 2015 #115
Blasphemy is the rule of a theocracy. edhopper Jan 2015 #76
Seriously. Matariki Jan 2015 #297
Yes edhopper Jan 2015 #299
Bull. It is perfectly OK for a Muslim to live by those restrictions. For the rest of use, Blasphemy Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #79
And why is Islam deserving of respect? backscatter712 Jan 2015 #84
Because Mulsims are human beings. BainsBane Jan 2015 #85
You obviously didn't read my post. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #92
The fact is religion, ethnicity and class are intertwined BainsBane Jan 2015 #104
codswallop. and I for one don't hate religion- just the aspects of it that oppress cali Jan 2015 #118
The fact that some people can't seperate themselves from beliefs is simply snagglepuss Jan 2015 #279
You don't get to be un-Muslim BainsBane Jan 2015 #281
What? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #294
Yes, and Islam shows such tremendous respect for women's equality too bluestateguy Jan 2015 #180
I read information from Muslim feminist groups BainsBane Jan 2015 #205
Liberal independent women offend conservative Islam Prism Jan 2015 #86
+1 Desert805 Jan 2015 #107
+ 1000 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #114
One of the reasons I disrespect Islam... backscatter712 Jan 2015 #153
I know several liberal independent Muslim women BainsBane Jan 2015 #197
You're defending the concept of blasphemy Prism Jan 2015 #201
Tell me what is liberal about dumping all over a disenfranchised BainsBane Jan 2015 #203
"It's easy to pick on the weak." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #295
I say more images... lame54 Jan 2015 #89
People who are upset about this should convert to Islam and move to a fundamentalist state Fumesucker Jan 2015 #90
OP assumes the mag cover pic is mohammed. mag pic says nothing about that nt msongs Jan 2015 #96
The OP has a habit of assuming anything that will further their particular argument of the moment Fumesucker Jan 2015 #116
The editor says it is of Mohammad. BainsBane Jan 2015 #214
Please enlighten me as to what "pbuh" means (or stands for). cwydro Jan 2015 #97
Peace Be Upon Him Fumesucker Jan 2015 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Jan 2015 #101
^^^ Recommended reading ^^^ Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #132
Where did I mention fundamentalism? BainsBane Jan 2015 #200
Good. Islamic beliefs that think that is a crime worthy of death are barbaric. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #102
That isn't what I'm talking about BainsBane Jan 2015 #202
Hogwash. You are conflating valid criticisms of the ideology and Islam with Islamaphobia. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #223
I disagree BainsBane Jan 2015 #224
It's a large part of a great deal of Islam. Look to Saudi Arabia "the home of Islam". PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #226
I see that as an excuse BainsBane Jan 2015 #233
???? You see WHAT as an excuse? PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #234
Why cannot we denounce specific acts and practices BainsBane Jan 2015 #249
But that's what this whole conversation is about! The denunciation of Islam's blasphemy laws! riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #341
No, they have denounced Islam, not specific practices BainsBane Jan 2015 #342
What a crock. I have never called Muslims sickening or disgusting riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #343
It seems to disrespect a bunch of murderous assholes who murdered people for THEIR petty offense Autumn Jan 2015 #105
Those murderous assholes are dead BainsBane Jan 2015 #262
Some pretend some don't. Guess it all depends on what gets one the most traction. Autumn Jan 2015 #300
You are wrong. You apparently miss the whole concept of "free speech". rhett o rick Jan 2015 #109
I think it's you who miss the concept of free speech BainsBane Jan 2015 #215
I put no limits on free speech as you accuse. Maybe I missed the point of the OP. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #305
Why should anyone feel bound to avoid some behavior just because others think it is wrong? Vattel Jan 2015 #110
Do you refer to AAs using the "n" word? brer cat Jan 2015 #124
+1 bravenak Jan 2015 #127
No because referring to them in that way is morally wrong. Vattel Jan 2015 #148
Islam has laws for its members fadedrose Jan 2015 #111
Actually, the Satanic Verses controversy is a classic example of your first paragraph. cemaphonic Jan 2015 #173
Still, I think they could have got to him if they really tried fadedrose Jan 2015 #175
We don't live under a muslim moral code Depaysement Jan 2015 #112
I support raising their voice in defiance BainsBane Jan 2015 #212
This cartoon should sooth your righteous indignation Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #117
Threads like these show how hopelessly ethnocentric this board often is YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #120
How So? ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #241
Why should non-believers have to adhere to zealots' beliefs? Lars39 Jan 2015 #122
I'm frequently disrespectful of many religions, including my own. hunter Jan 2015 #123
If I had a nickel for every time Christianity was disrespected on DU alone Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #129
The idolatry of words... ymetca Jan 2015 #133
I don't fucking care if Islam is disrespected. Respect has to be earned and snagglepuss Jan 2015 #142
what do you think that means, "submission", in this instance? uppityperson Jan 2015 #170
It means surrender to the will of god. Now if that god decided snagglepuss Jan 2015 #231
Give up the ego, become one with everything, you are not the most important. Seems like the same uppityperson Jan 2015 #268
+5697 bluestateguy Jan 2015 #181
Just to say to you... cwydro Jan 2015 #146
Do you mean like Fundie Christians for whom women are sinners descended from that uppityperson Jan 2015 #172
I thought they were very clear on what they meant. Desert805 Jan 2015 #176
Christianity doesn't get a pass when it comes to enforcing discrimination against women... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #183
No, they shouldn't get a pass, but it's just not on the same scale oppression wise. cali Jan 2015 #185
That's definitely true... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #188
You must have trouble countenancing this society BainsBane Jan 2015 #210
I was going to comment earlier but I had to check to see if it is respectful to Islam for me, a man Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #149
That's the sign of a true master of any craft, making the difficult seem easy Fumesucker Jan 2015 #150
... cwydro Jan 2015 #154
I don't care for their cartoons. n/t hrmjustin Jan 2015 #151
As long as we're doing this with words, it's all good. Avalux Jan 2015 #158
After eight of their friends and colleagues... BlueStater Jan 2015 #159
But what has Islam done to deserve respect? Albertoo Jan 2015 #162
Because get the red out Jan 2015 #187
Edit: It turns out I'm wrong about this. See discussions below. Bonobo Jan 2015 #164
Imagine your reaction if that cover had skewered the Japanese BainsBane Jan 2015 #208
I would be offended indeed. Bonobo Jan 2015 #308
Why on Earth should the staff Codeine Jan 2015 #165
Perhaps so BainsBane Jan 2015 #221
Despicable and shameful. You can still delete your post nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #166
So much for free speech. BainsBane Jan 2015 #213
Oh, I defend your free speech. I was just trying to be helpful since your OP is so wrong riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #340
I've read some folks' comments Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #167
Do you think the current cover is in poor taste? oberliner Jan 2015 #182
Images are blasphemy because - why? bhikkhu Jan 2015 #171
Why should they give a shit about respecting Islam? bluestateguy Jan 2015 #177
Sickening get the red out Jan 2015 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Adept Jan 2015 #192
I happen to know a gay Muslim and women Muslims BainsBane Jan 2015 #199
Western liberal contempt for Islam is not Codeine Jan 2015 #228
Oh please get the red out Jan 2015 #331
Why should a non-Muslim give a fuck about blasphemy against Islam? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #189
Well, it's clear to me you know less about Islam than you think you do. closeupready Jan 2015 #284
But he's only a prophet to them. To Christians, he IS the son of God. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #317
I think the only people they disrespected are extremists, not mainstream Muslims... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #190
No religion deserves "respect". alarimer Jan 2015 #191
Between this and the Spider Woman cover... Blue_Adept Jan 2015 #193
I guess all us feminists look alike to you BainsBane Jan 2015 #220
Westboro Baptist Church celebrates the suffering of non-believers Generic Other Jan 2015 #194
But what if a cartoon conflated you with Westbororo baptist? BainsBane Jan 2015 #219
Then you have your job cut out for you to change perceptions Generic Other Jan 2015 #285
I have no respect for Islam. nt LexVegas Jan 2015 #195
Who fucking cares? tabasco Jan 2015 #196
Last I checked, a satirical magazine had no reason Arkana Jan 2015 #198
Sure, but they shouldn't pretend their issue BainsBane Jan 2015 #209
Says you. tabasco Jan 2015 #217
Actually, says her, me, and the French people have started discussing double standards closeupready Jan 2015 #287
Everyone is full of shit at some point, ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #204
Agreed. Don't pretend. Disrespect with reckless abandon. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #207
Agree on all counts ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #227
Hey, there's one of you out there! BainsBane Jan 2015 #229
I'm sick of thinly veiled islamophobia ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #230
+1 It's very obvious too. bravenak Jan 2015 #238
and I'm "sickening" BainsBane Jan 2015 #246
No, it's not you ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #247
Well, i'm a rightwing Le Pen supporter who can't understand humor. bravenak Jan 2015 #248
Your punching down comment was perfect BainsBane Jan 2015 #250
I don't think they get it.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #251
Not even a little bit BainsBane Jan 2015 #252
Dumb assumption HERVEPA Jan 2015 #253
Yep. For real. I love this high and mighty thing they have going on.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #254
Le Pen hates Muslims BainsBane Jan 2015 #256
Dunno. Maybe you can tell me why I'm a Le Pen supporter. bravenak Jan 2015 #257
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that BainsBane Jan 2015 #259
Good idea. bravenak Jan 2015 #260
I'm not sure what's going on with that one. closeupready Jan 2015 #288
Very angry about something I cannot seem to figure out. bravenak Jan 2015 #289
Really? What respect do they owe Muslims at this point... JCMach1 Jan 2015 #235
Three men killed their colleagues BainsBane Jan 2015 #245
a warped ideology you can say is at least derived from Islam, yes JCMach1 Jan 2015 #258
True about Saudi Arabia BainsBane Jan 2015 #261
All well and good, but because of what the Saudis have been doing for years, you would probably be JCMach1 Jan 2015 #264
Horrific BainsBane Jan 2015 #266
They should ahve mocked all the major religions in this one. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #243
I think that would have been better BainsBane Jan 2015 #255
54 arrests in France for speech violations this week BainsBane Jan 2015 #267
Series? Hedbo didn't learn them their lesson, huh? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #271
So much for free speech. BainsBane Jan 2015 #273
You don't understand the concept. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #275
You pretend to. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #276
No, you don't BainsBane Jan 2015 #277
You really seem to be pushing this Jew vs. Muslim angle oberliner Jan 2015 #286
It happens to be what the French PM said BainsBane Jan 2015 #290
. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #291
It's really simple - you have no right to kill someone. Rex Jan 2015 #292
The killers are dead BainsBane Jan 2015 #321
Muhammad is a historical figure. I reserve the right to draw any thing I want. Matariki Jan 2015 #296
well you write 1 line about not condoning murder then several paragraphs trying to suppress free samsingh Jan 2015 #302
Show we what I wrote that tries to suppress free speech? BainsBane Jan 2015 #322
Charlie Hebdo chose to be defiant. They also chose to disrespect Islam and French Muslims. samsingh Jan 2015 #336
Read the first sentence BainsBane Jan 2015 #338
your true feelings are that the people who were murdered and their organization is full of shit samsingh Jan 2015 #339
I have never burned an American flag, nor have I ever had the slightest inclination to do so. tblue37 Jan 2015 #307
Free Speech. Either you believe in in, or you don't. Ikonoklast Jan 2015 #309
I see BainsBane Jan 2015 #310
Re-read what I posted. Ikonoklast Jan 2015 #311
It's even worse the second time around BainsBane Jan 2015 #312
The Quran makes no mention of showing the prophet as blasphemous. Agschmid Jan 2015 #313
If your beliefs aren't open to critical debate then they're pretty weak beliefs. Fearless Jan 2015 #318
I agree with both of those statements BainsBane Jan 2015 #319
Laughably stupid brentspeak Jan 2015 #323
What gave you the idea I was talking about radical Muslims? BainsBane Jan 2015 #324
The idea you are giving this board brentspeak Jan 2015 #327
Perhaps so BainsBane Jan 2015 #329
Radical Muslims are the "entire people"? brentspeak Jan 2015 #330
K'n'R for calling bullshit bullshit. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #332
You know what ELSE is disrespectful to Islam, BB? Women driving. Women walking around unescorted by PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #337
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