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In reply to the discussion: Let's see how intellectually honest the defenders of Charlie Hebdo are. [View all]KoKo
(84,711 posts)163. Charlie Hebdo's Biggest Problem Isn't racism-It's Punching Down--Western Society at Its Best & Worst
Moving away from the important "Freedom of the Press" issue...this is an interesting take on Charlie Hebdo and how it could be interpreted differently from satire. It's a long article and even discusses the "New Yorker" Cover which had Michelle and Barack Obama portrayed as Terrorists that caused much backlash...and how that cover was different from what Charlie Hebdo was doing in the past years.
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Charlie Hebdo's biggest problem isn't racism, it's punching down
Within the French culture war, Charlie Hebdo stands solidly with the privileged majority and against the under-privileged minorities. Yes, sometimes it also criticizes Catholicism, but it is best known for its broadsides against France's most vulnerable populations. Put aside the question of racist intent: the effect of this is to exacerbate a culture of hostility, one in which religion and race are also associated with status and privilege, or lack thereof.
The novelist Saladin Ahmed articulated well why this sort of satire does not exactly have the values-championing effect we want it to:
In a field dominated by privileged voices, it's not enough to say "Mock everyone!" In an unequal world, satire that mocks everyone equally ends up serving the powerful. And in the context of brutal inequality, it is worth at least asking what preexisting injuries we are adding our insults to.
The belief that satire is a courageous art beholden to no one is intoxicating. But satire might be better served by an honest reckoning of whose voices we hear and don't hear, of who we mock and who we don't, and why.
Jacob Canfield put it more simply:
"White men punching down is not a recipe for good satire, and needs to be called out."
This is a culture war with real victims. Fighting on the winning side and against a systemically disadvantaged group, fighting on behalf of the powerful against the weak, does not seem to capture the values that satire is meant to express.
Charlie Hebdo is Western society at its best and worst
So if Charlie Hebdo's cartoons expressed or indulged racist ideas, and if its satire "punched down" in ways that were more regrettable than admirable, then why does it feel so uncomfortable to criticize the magazine?
It's partly because, whatever the magazine's misdeeds, they are so utterly incomparable to the horrific crimes of the terrorists who attacked it that it can feel like a betrayal to even mention them in the same sentence.
But it's also because, with this attack, Charlie Hebdo really has come to symbolize something much larger than the satire embedded with its cartoons: a resolve to maintain freedom of speech even in the face of mortal threats. While free speech is not at the risk of being snuffed out in Western countries over these sorts of attacks, it is an abstract value that is constantly under siege in the world and requires constant defense. The cartoons have become a symbol of that fight.
"Unforgivable acts of slaughter imbue merely rude acts of publication with a glittering nobility," Matthew Yglesias wrote last week. "To blaspheme the Prophet transforms the publication of these cartoons from a pointless act to a courageous and even necessary one."
And yet, raising these cartoons to something much grander does have victims. As is so often the case, those victims are society's weakest and most vulnerable, in this case the Muslim and non-white subjects of Charlie Hebdo's belittling ridicule.
"The elevation of such images to a point of high principle will increase the burdens on those minority groups," as Matt put it. "European Muslims find themselves crushed between the actions of a tiny group of killers and the necessary response of the majority society. Problems will increase for an already put-upon group of people."
The virtues that Charlie Hebdo represents in society � free speech, the right to offend � have been strengthened by this episode. But so have the social ills that Charlie Hebdo indulged and worsened: empowering the majority, marginalizing the weak, and ridiculing those who are different.
Continued (Long Article with Photo's) at:
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/12/7518349/charlie-hebdo-racist
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Let's see how intellectually honest the defenders of Charlie Hebdo are. [View all]
philosslayer
Jan 2015
OP
I'm half Jewish and if a cartoonist made a mockery of The Shoah I wouldn't kill him
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#5
jews are not a race. one can be jewish one second and not jewish the next second nt
msongs
Jan 2015
#85
Agreed. The whole point here is to accuse DUers of being either racists or hypocrites.
arcane1
Jan 2015
#102
I really don't get why being able to change ones religion means mockery of people for
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#206
And if they'd come of age in the 50s they'd be mocking race and gender and loving religion.
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#225
That's the most bullshit leap ever. Satire and criticism are not analogous with murder and genocide.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#177
You're the one that seems to think that the difference between racial hatred and religious hatred
onenote
Jan 2015
#202
your post is ridiculous too. you could say the same for most ideas; it's beside the point in a
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#205
yeah, that's why all the arabs are being arrested, cause people are so eager to defend the rights of
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#227
Trolling Muslims is very bad. Killing somebody for trolling Muslims is worse./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#25
How about criticizing hateful bigots no matter what religion they hide behind?
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#83
Religion is comprised of hate actions which threaten my autonomy and human rights.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#33
It is of paramount importance that Hedbo continue with the exact type of commentary or
randys1
Jan 2015
#36
Trolling Muslims or Jews or African Americans or Gays, et cetera Is a very bad look...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#16
Of course if someone is disrespecting you, you have the right to disrespect him or her in return.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#152
It is interesting that you equate criticism of a person who claims to believe in Jesus to 'crapping
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#174
There is a difference in crapping on Christ and crapping on this or that Christian
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2015
#188
Humor is one of the sharpest weapons against harmful and repressive ideologies.
Arugula Latte
Jan 2015
#79
Bottom line -- If you don't like a particular controversial publication, don't buy or read it
Blue_Tires
Jan 2015
#38
False equivalence. Your example is an invested interest. CH is uninvested in a "right and wrong."
nolabear
Jan 2015
#41
Yet you took the effort to begin your post with a false comparison to the KKK n/t
arcane1
Jan 2015
#59
The question was would they champion it's republication on dozens of magazines
BainsBane
Jan 2015
#78
Yes, people will typically support ideas they support and not those they don't
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#94
Muslim mayor of Rotterdam tells Islamists to 'pack your bags' and 'f**k off' on TV
Go Vols
Jan 2015
#73
Flip it around- someone bombs an abortion clinic and right wingers are "bombs are bad BUT"
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2015
#84
No, I think you've decided that if someone is killed for publishing something
BainsBane
Jan 2015
#105
So you don't really believe in freedom of speech. Okay, thanks for letting the rest of us know.
Rex
Jan 2015
#86
This is absurd. Here's a real world, highly applicable comapre and contrast opportunity.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#96
A lot of people agree with Ken Ham that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2015
#127
If one person or 1.6 billion people think they have the right to murder a woman...
countryjake
Jan 2015
#134
Your post fails to take into account that you can defend Charlie and disagree with his message
Glassunion
Jan 2015
#119
Charlie Hebdo's Biggest Problem Isn't racism-It's Punching Down--Western Society at Its Best & Worst
KoKo
Jan 2015
#163
That's a bad analogy; how about: someone publishes a cartoon of a drooling Ronald Reagan
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#120
Maybe you and the thread starter miss the point: many think some Islamic attitudes need criticism
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#136
"they don't see it that way" is not a sufficient excuse for giving a pass to bad attitudes
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2015
#208
This venerable old guy literally wrote the book on 'another's right to say something...'
Surya Gayatri
Jan 2015
#214
Some context might be found in the fact that Rick Warren called gay people pedophiles who are
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#167
"damn right, i'd put those cartoons on the front page of every paper in the world"
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2015
#157
In the end, the fact is that the one true punchline of good satire is the incredulous reaction of
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#165
We can dislike someone's speech and still defend that they have a right to say it.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2015
#186
Sure - I have no problem with them doubling down in response to a violent attack.
cyberswede
Jan 2015
#193
The people on here are being hypocritical. Everyone has their touchy subject.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#195