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Octafish

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84. No. Not if you say so. And not if the president says so.

Thu Jan 15, 2015, 09:29 PM

Jan 2015

The point to remember, though, is a government that kills its citizens without trial is tyrannical. When the POTUS, whether Bush or Obama, and the AG, whether Alberto Gonzalez or Eric Holder, orders the murder of an American citizen with drones or anything else, it is un-Constitutional and illegal. That makes it un-American.

How about arresting the guy and putting him on trial? Maybe he can tell us who else is involved. Furthermore, instead of creating more enemies, we'd be rounding up the traitors, etc. And we wouldn't be killing God only knows how many innocent men, women and children who have never attacked America on September 11 or any other day. So, there's that going for justice.

Then again, a lot of assholes depend on their living for war. Carlyle Group knows who they are.

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Oh Lord. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #1

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Which dopey story? The official story changed multiple times. Maedhros Jan 2015 #41

The killing of Bin Laden story Boreal Jan 2015 #42

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make that 3 decades.. :) 2banon Jan 2015 #20

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apparently, you haven't quite understood the point of this story.. better have another listen/read. 2banon Jan 2015 #21

How about reliable and accurate information no matter what it says? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #22

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Out of everyone here that took an opposing view JonLP24 Jan 2015 #58

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And on what is tht 'concession' based? Where are the charges? Why is that such a difficult question sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #118

Its threads like these Dwayne Hicks Jan 2015 #12

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and it doesn't appear that is being claimed otherwise in the OP JonLP24 Jan 2015 #59

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No, that is your strawman. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #38

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He admitted it by his actions Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #54

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Wow. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #97

LINO? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #102

"For oil! For power! For empire!" EX500rider Jan 2015 #82

Let's not bring facts into this. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #83

No. Not if you say so. And not if the president says so. Octafish Jan 2015 #84

I wonder at your American exceptionalism. Why does it make a difference if it is a citizen? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #86

Thanks for chipping in. Not that I don't feel that way. Octafish Jan 2015 #88

Why do you think Awlaki wasn't given due process? It's a common mistake of law and fact that msanthrope Jan 2015 #89

The fact he was vaporized before he could give his side of the story. Octafish Jan 2015 #107

Mr. Awlaki not only posted hundreds of videos to YouTube telling his side of the story, he msanthrope Jan 2015 #119

Like I couldn't post a bunch of YouTube stuff and put ''msanthrope'' up as its author. Octafish Jan 2015 #120

He was in the videos, preaching hate. He had a magazine at his disposal. The ACLU msanthrope Jan 2015 #121

I guess I don't know why it makes so much difference that he was American BainsBane Jan 2015 #91

"Not if you say so. And not if the president says so." EX500rider Jan 2015 #92

Good point. But we don't know that, do we? Octafish Jan 2015 #105

"But we don't know that, do we?" EX500rider Jan 2015 #108

What about his 16-year-old son? Octafish Jan 2015 #109

He wasn't the target. EX500rider Jan 2015 #110

He's still dead. Octafish Jan 2015 #111

The killing of Al-awlaki was an act of war bhikkhu Jan 2015 #95

There is some question as to whether the AUMF covers Yemen. Maedhros Jan 2015 #98

the geneva conventions? down the memory hole with them, along with everything that doesn't ND-Dem Jan 2015 #104

No matter how egregious the crime, assuming he was involved, to throw away the Constitutional right sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #112

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