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186. Steven, I can't accept the GOP fracturing. No matter who runs, they'll vote GOP. There are core

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:05 AM

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beliefs shared by all the factions. Some are religious, others economic, and all, when all is said and done, firmly anti-government unless they get a cut from private contracts.

Romney wasn't popular, and still won their nomination (with the Koch brothers literally at the RNCC, giving orders) and he came close to winning the White House.

Do you say this because you feel that HRC is less of a polarizing figure to the GOP faithful than Obama was?

I just don't see it. I can imagine them cheering on her nomination.

Then they'll turn the negative memes on, which they honed over the years, and rehash them.

I have doubts she could win the GE. Serious doubts. The RW media machine has been so effective, it seems unstoppable. You interact with them at times.

Do you really think conservative would give HRC an opening by not attacking her? Why would they?

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Well, I'm calling the Democratic nomination for Hillary Clinton. [View all] MineralMan Jan 2015 OP

Bernie said he would decide by March, and we aren't there yet. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #1

Probably. Which proves that money and "not as bad" still works. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #2

Actually, it proves that the majority of those who vote MineralMan Jan 2015 #17

Unfortunately, we are ruled by politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #23

Yes. Is that a surprise? We live in a society that elects MineralMan Jan 2015 #37

I'm kinda fond of this idea. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #43

Yes. I've been for that for almost 50 years. MineralMan Jan 2015 #49

Please see my sig line... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #114

THe other day I said she needed money, and tons of it (Warren) and someone said she cant take randys1 Jan 2015 #79

except for that fact that MOST Democrats disagree with Left Leaning Independents on that. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #112

Tsk, tsk. And...? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #124

And nothing.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #128

I'm a Democrat (and, a leftist) that doesn't support Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #129

awww VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #130

I don't mind being called independent. And, you're the one telling Democrats what to do. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #131

but the difference is...I AM one!!!! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #133

Wow! Did I, or other "independent" Democrats depress your vote? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #138

1,500+ views, 140 replies and 11 recs kinds says everything. Scuba Jan 2015 #142

I'm with you yellowwoodII Jan 2015 #146

Well, I'm calling for you to get your head examined BubbaFett Jan 2015 #3

hardly a difficult prediction to make. kind of obvious cali Jan 2015 #4

It's too early for me to predict the general election. MineralMan Jan 2015 #14

Is that a prediction or wishful thinking? LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #103

this time i dont want her to run, but i still think she will likely be our nominee La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #5

What I want has little to do with my prediction. MineralMan Jan 2015 #13

I agree with you La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2015 #89

If your call works DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #6

I don't. I'm not calling the General Election at this point. MineralMan Jan 2015 #12

BALONEY!!!! You all are as faux as FOX News... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #115

Thank you for posting all that information. MineralMan Jan 2015 #118

The Great Wall of Text! Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #125

You mean The Great Wall of Truth... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #126

Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, member of "The Family". Scuba Jan 2015 #143

where? I just proved YOU wrong....and I can back it up with evidence.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #172

Not all principles are created equal. "Comfortable with same sex marriage" is trumped by "pro-War." Scuba Jan 2015 #173

there is ALOT more there than that....I have my "mountain of evidence" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #174

You got a whole bunch of little issues, but on the biggies, she's a right-winger. Scuba Jan 2015 #177

so you agree...you have a "mole hill" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #178

Which issues collectively do you think counter-balance "Pro-War"? Scuba Jan 2015 #181

Where did you even get THAT bullshit idea that she is...Pro War? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #183

You completely ruined this thread with your paste job. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #189

Vomit? That is the PROOF that this meme is FAKE! VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #194

What in the everloving name of incoherence are you talking about? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #196

No WTF are YOU talking about...???? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #197

Weeeeee!!! My scrolling finger really gets a workout on my iPad with your posts. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #190

too bad...its the TRUTH....this "Pro War Clinton" shit needs to stop...its no different than VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #195

Occam's dull razor... brooklynite Jan 2015 #7

So I keep reading. MineralMan Jan 2015 #11

Is this a recycled prediction from '08? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #8

Nope. I was an Obama supporter from the beginning MineralMan Jan 2015 #9

But the Hillary camp was predicting what you are predicting now Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #15

So? I wasn't predicting that. MineralMan Jan 2015 #19

I get it. They were predicting it, not you ;~) Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #24

I am capable of looking at what is going on just fine. MineralMan Jan 2015 #38

I'm not predicting the General Election results yet. MineralMan Jan 2015 #10

I predict Dems get trounced if Hillary is the nominee Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #20

Yes, agreed. dirtydickcheney Jan 2015 #32

I disagree tabbycat31 Jan 2015 #39

the ability to pick up white southern votes??? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #52

LOL. She ain't no ways tired! nt benz380 Jan 2015 #191

Agree on all of this JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #56

and about those "polls" Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #62

Agree with you, if HRC is our nom, we will lose the election peacebird Jan 2015 #68

+1 She's hated by the right, and will inspire no one on the left. Scuba Jan 2015 #144

Exactly peacebird Jan 2015 #170

If so, general election prediction: Fail. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #16

Agreed. Further general election prediction: Lowest general election turnout ever. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #66

Well I'm calling the 2016 election a loss for Democrats. Autumn Jan 2015 #18

OK. I think that's way to early to call. Until we see how the MineralMan Jan 2015 #21

The GOP frontrunners are in a dead heat with "The Next One" Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #26

You don't think it's too early to call the nomination for Hillary? Autumn Jan 2015 #33

No. I think at this point that my prediction is fairly clear and MineralMan Jan 2015 #40

I'll take your word for that. I'm not seeing a viable alternative yet either Autumn Jan 2015 #46

I think you're incorrect. MineralMan Jan 2015 #51

I look forward to hearing her message. Autumn Jan 2015 #53

I think that very many will buy it. MineralMan Jan 2015 #57

You know that curtain has been opened. I follow what a person does, not what they say. Autumn Jan 2015 #63

not pie-in-the-sky idealism Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #70

The system works as it works... Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #67

I'm voting for the fucking hat. I like the hat, that hat works. Autumn Jan 2015 #117

Who knows? Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #185

Or pant suit. nt benz380 Jan 2015 #192

You don't like it. I'm not sure I do, either. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #64

how did your 2008 prediction pan out? foo_bar Jan 2015 #69

BuT he supported Obsma from the start. He says so up thread. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2015 #74

Bad spelling is kind of mandatory in those places. Autumn Jan 2015 #80

In early 2006, I did not think he could win. MineralMan Jan 2015 #119

I wish that old forum was still open JonLP24 Jan 2015 #137

Someone had a forum that had a collection of my internet posts? MineralMan Jan 2015 #148

The forum was here JonLP24 Jan 2015 #167

Oh, OK. The Meta Forum. MineralMan Jan 2015 #168

It was very entertaining to read JonLP24 Jan 2015 #169

All they have to do is get the corporate Dem the primary win and running in the general election. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #109

Of course the left is ALWAYS to blame. Has been for years. Autumn Jan 2015 #111

At this point this isn't a prediction so much as it is accepted wisdom tkmorris Jan 2015 #22

Yep, and I see the GOP being a long Klown Kar again. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #25

It may be a clown car but they won in 2014 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #28

Absurd. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #29

Hillary will mobilize the right-wing donors and voters Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #30

Not one whit more than Obama did. eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #31

Yeah, but Obama also motivated those who were inclined to vote Democratic Fumesucker Jan 2015 #48

+1 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #71

Do you think the voters who turn out in midterms are the same ones who activate in the general? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #34

Yep, same people. Plus a bunch more for a great candidate. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #76

Republicans will turn out in droves to defeat her, nothing like some Clinton hate to get them all Autumn Jan 2015 #36

Exactly! The Clintons are right-wing voter mobilization machines Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #78

Yep all those and more Autumn Jan 2015 #90

Mmm Hmm, yet some wanna relive that experience Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #95

That's about the way it works. Funny how some who hated Hillary then are now some of her Autumn Jan 2015 #98

interesting, eh Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #99

Yes, pretty much. MineralMan Jan 2015 #41

People have been saying that Hillary is it HappyMe Jan 2015 #27

since 2012 I believe.... Phentex Jan 2015 #50

and? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #127

It's not an early prediction. Pundits have been saying this since before the 2012 election, merrily Jan 2015 #35

I'm not a pundit. I'm a low level Democratic organization leader. MineralMan Jan 2015 #44

? No one said you were a pundit or that a prediction is an endorsement. BTW, I have a 100% merrily Jan 2015 #60

I have some Clinton Castro 2016 stickers if anyone is interested Gothmog Jan 2015 #42

Nope. I use actual stickers for each election. MineralMan Jan 2015 #45

I have some Hillary 2008 stickers, if anyone is interested. Autumn Jan 2015 #47

Reduce Reuse Recycle Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #81

Caucusing for Hillary here in CO in the primary was the proudest moment in my life. Autumn Jan 2015 #84

Fair enough. Nothing wrong with options in the primary Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #88

There are plenty of Democrats with the name recognition. If the Democratic party can't find someone Autumn Jan 2015 #92

That kinda sums the difference between 3rd-Way and Populists Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #93

Why didn't you caucus for Obama? joshcryer Jan 2015 #139

I caucused for Hillary because I was a Hillary supporter Autumn Jan 2015 #149

Fair enough. joshcryer Jan 2015 #154

I'm waiting . . . JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #54

I voted for Hillary in 08, I'll vote for her again. Packerowner740 Jan 2015 #55

As will everyone who did that. MineralMan Jan 2015 #59

I sure hope so Packerowner740 Jan 2015 #61

A good portion??? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #83

Millennials will vote for her in the same propotions MineralMan Jan 2015 #121

More's the pity... lol Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #123

I think Hillary will win the primaries by a strong margin and win over 350 electoral votes. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #58

I did that about two years ago. Rex Jan 2015 #65

This prediction from someone who still calls the 2014 House majority for the Democrats. Jeez. leveymg Jan 2015 #72

Thanks. I've changed my signature line. MineralMan Jan 2015 #160

Damn JonLP24 Jan 2015 #73

Clinton vs. Romney or other Republican? Not a difficult choice. hunter Jan 2015 #75

Wait, Bernie is running. I am pretty sure of it, so you are right, he would have to change randys1 Jan 2015 #77

I think you are right workinclasszero Jan 2015 #82

a teabag Congress PLUS President Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #85

She's a girl fadedrose Jan 2015 #101

hmmm well, that changes everything! Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #102

Really? Gay marriage..immigration reform... workinclasszero Jan 2015 #104

That is the Social liberal side of the 3rd-Way Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #105

"Gay marriage is a done deal." workinclasszero Jan 2015 #108

What have Dems done to protects reproductive rights lately? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #110

I predict Hillary will throw her support behind Bernie Sanders Enrique Jan 2015 #86

You are probably right but now is the time to (fairly) attack Clinton Vattel Jan 2015 #87

Hillary said she wouldn't run AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #91

Click bait. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #94

Click bait or LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE Autumn Jan 2015 #96

Cynic... it's just a test drive of the magic 8-ball Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #97

It's good. I'm making steady progress with it. MineralMan Jan 2015 #120

I'm calling for her nomination too -AFTER there've been primaries fadedrose Jan 2015 #100

YES, A primary in EVERY state. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #107

Well then the country would then have a choice between two republicans Ramses Jan 2015 #106

One word: fuck. nt Damansarajaya Jan 2015 #113

two words... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #116

Very eloquent. MineralMan Jan 2015 #122

THANK GOD THATS OVER Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #132

Wow you really went out on a limb there, didn't ya MM? whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #134

k&r... spanone Jan 2015 #135

We need candidates not named Clinton or Bush. kwassa Jan 2015 #136

Swell! That will give us a far-right Republican vs a middle-right Republican. Scuba Jan 2015 #140

1,500+ views, 140 replies and 11 recs kinds says everything. Scuba Jan 2015 #141

You've posted that twice in this thread. Interesting. MineralMan Jan 2015 #161

You May Be Right yellowwoodII Jan 2015 #145

If Hillary wins the primaries, the big winner is the MIC. We will have a hawk vs. hawk election. Vattel Jan 2015 #147

I think the fact that your prediction is probably true is enough in itself to bother many. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #150

Many people in this thread seem to be confusing my prediction with MineralMan Jan 2015 #152

I understand that from your post. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #157

I know you get it. So do many others. MineralMan Jan 2015 #159

It hasn't even started yet treestar Jan 2015 #151

I'm still making the prediction. MineralMan Jan 2015 #153

C'mon Al Franken lame54 Jan 2015 #155

I talked to him during the 2014 campaign. MineralMan Jan 2015 #156

k&r pathansen Jan 2015 #158

These predictions that Hillary will lose the G.E. if nominated are hilarious. Complete projection. stevenleser Jan 2015 #162

Until it becomes more clear who the two candidates will be, MineralMan Jan 2015 #163

The Republican party is badly split. An establishment Democrat with whom the populace feels stevenleser Jan 2015 #164

What you say makes sense, politically. MineralMan Jan 2015 #165

I have zero worry about that such that I don't bother getting involved in 90% of the conversations stevenleser Jan 2015 #166

Yeah right. zappaman Jan 2015 #182

Lol, exactly. Nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #184

Steven, I can't accept the GOP fracturing. No matter who runs, they'll vote GOP. There are core freshwest Jan 2015 #186

What are you basing your opinion on? I've been monitoring opinions of Conservatives closely. stevenleser Jan 2015 #187

regarding hilarious predictions AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #171

Nope, based on science. Your objection is made up out of whole cloth stevenleser Jan 2015 #188

Science apparently is counting the progressive vote. AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #193

I feel sick. City Lights Jan 2015 #175

Go to urgent care. I don't give medical advice. MineralMan Jan 2015 #176

Scuse me while I go throw up. Not saying you're wrong, but what a sad commentary on our fixed political system designed exclusively for 1 percenters. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2015 #179

See my reply to the previous poster. MineralMan Jan 2015 #180