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BainsBane

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328. I might find it offensive

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:09 AM

Jan 2015

but that would be an example of what Bravenak calls punching up, whereas Charlie Hebdo's cover punched down. So I guess it depends on the particular content and context. For example, I have a problem with anti-Semitic caricatures in the Middle East because they fuel dangerous anti-semitism. A cartoon skewering political figures, I have no issue with, but one that conveys bigotry does bother me. I can imagine being personally unsettled by a cartoon that depicts all Americans as killers due to the war on terror. Mind you I am not saying any of this speech should be prohibited, but rather that I am critical of it. In general, I think it unseemly to single out the poor and disenfranchised, which is the condition of the Muslim minority in France.

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Charlie Hebdo, Don't pretend your new issue does not disrespect Islam [View all] BainsBane Jan 2015 OP

A bunch of their staff got murdered last week el_bryanto Jan 2015 #1

I don't think they should be apologetic at all BainsBane Jan 2015 #2

I think they Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #11

Not just to those who attacked them BainsBane Jan 2015 #13

And those who didn't attack them Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #16

Did I suggest otherwise? BainsBane Jan 2015 #19

lol. no you aren't clear. you contradict yourself. cali Jan 2015 #24

It really isn't a very difficult concept BainsBane Jan 2015 #29

Yep.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #43

As am I Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #144

Agree 100% n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #48

I think it is disinegenuous for religions which create an industry out of invective aimed at others Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #108

this. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #119

This is a good response. nt cyberswede Jan 2015 #137

Yep Go Vols Jan 2015 #140

Beautifully said! nt Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2015 #218

I agree. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #225

Awesome. trotsky Jan 2015 #269

When "the religion asks" BainsBane Jan 2015 #270

Blammo! hifiguy Jan 2015 #280

agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #304

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #344

i think there is something evil about killing innocent people samsingh Jan 2015 #303

Who cares if they find it offensive? Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #125

What did you think my point was? nt el_bryanto Jan 2015 #131

No, I agree with you. Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #152

Are they pretending to not disrespect Islam? aikoaiko Jan 2015 #3

Of course they aren't. sibelian Jan 2015 #4

And easily offended LordGlenconner Jan 2015 #14

Yes, I think they are BainsBane Jan 2015 #7

So what? SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #49

The point of free speech is to express ideas BainsBane Jan 2015 #56

Sure, criticize all you want SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #59

The point of speech is to communicate BainsBane Jan 2015 #63

Again SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2015 #66

says you. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #91

You say that and keep saying that yet so many find your message to be irksome. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #130

That people see the issue differently BainsBane Jan 2015 #232

"We've been subject to a lot of propaganda" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #293

They have their own BainsBane Jan 2015 #320

How insulting. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #334

"blasphemy" is and idea- one which rejects the authority of religion to dictate cali Jan 2015 #67

They drew Mohammad as a dick head. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #272

And? joeglow3 Jan 2015 #282

There was no intention to make nice. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #283

Then those who are "disrespected" get the red out Jan 2015 #333

didn't you see their press conference? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #156

I did not aikoaiko Jan 2015 #157

baloney. first of all, there is no prohibition in the Koran cali Jan 2015 #5

+1 Desert805 Jan 2015 #8

Let me figure out your argument BainsBane Jan 2015 #9

why yes, I get to have an opinion and mine is that someone outside of a faith cali Jan 2015 #18

And... Dorian Gray Jan 2015 #145

Here is more information, "Shia Islam, however, images of Muhammad are quite common nowadays" uppityperson Jan 2015 #25

I don't really think "quite common" is an accurate discriptor. I think "exists" is MADem Jan 2015 #121

Iman is a fashion model. I think you meant to type "imam." nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #298

We really need a leftynyc Jan 2015 #30

cali, I'm often in disagreement with you, but today, Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #34

So what if it was disrespectful? Why shouldn't it be? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #274

Good for them if they don't. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #6

Why should any non-Muslim choose to adhere to the restrictions of the Muslim faith?... SidDithers Jan 2015 #10

Gotta agree. cwydro Jan 2015 #31

ZING! Sid you never fail to come through in the clutch. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #52

RIGHT ON!!! n/t beaglelover Jan 2015 #78

+1 NuclearDem Jan 2015 #141

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #178

It's "hebdo" (which means "weekly"), not "ebdo" (even if the H is silent). Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #12

BRAVO!!!!! nt 1bigdude Jan 2015 #15

I conssider it a failure of imagination BainsBane Jan 2015 #17

What part of they aren't Muslims is so very difficult for you to grasp? cali Jan 2015 #21

So you endorse the view that real France isn't Muslim BainsBane Jan 2015 #23

oh and where o where did I say that? No where. cali Jan 2015 #27

Ah yes, the oldest trick in the book BainsBane Jan 2015 #51

not a trick. it's what you're doing and you're clearly not terribly well informed cali Jan 2015 #62

I think it's a failure of imagination to think they could conceivably have done otherwise. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #28

Bingo! cwydro Jan 2015 #94

I, like everyone else, knew they would publish another imagine of Mohammad BainsBane Jan 2015 #222

+1. nt tblue37 Jan 2015 #301

Images of Muhammad are common in Shia Islam. uppityperson Jan 2015 #33

Thanks for that. nt BainsBane Jan 2015 #40

you are welcome, I am learning as I go along too. I have changed my mind on some of the uppityperson Jan 2015 #44

See this BainsBane Jan 2015 #240

Centuries of Muslims cwydro Jan 2015 #72

Great point, cwydro! Cass Jan 2015 #143

Me too. cwydro Jan 2015 #155

Do you know anything about Western European and American history? BainsBane Jan 2015 #216

If you choose to not draw Mohammad, don't draw him. That seems simple. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #73

Why should they censor their cultural expression to not hurt others' sensibilities? TransitJohn Jan 2015 #106

YEEEESSSSSS! Surya Gayatri Jan 2015 #39

+10 840high Jan 2015 #169

"Any depiction of the Prophet Mohammad is seen as blasphemous under Islam" seveneyes Jan 2015 #20

And that's not even the truth leftynyc Jan 2015 #36

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #314

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch......Fail. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #22

Maurice Sinet knows something about French political correctness, closeupready Jan 2015 #26

They aren't the only ones with that double standard BainsBane Jan 2015 #37

but that was about an actual person , not some figure in a religion, wouldn't a better comparison be JI7 Jan 2015 #54

Well, figures in religions were actual people, too. Bhudda was closeupready Jan 2015 #60

i think they probably have different standards when it comes to actual currently living people JI7 Jan 2015 #64

Perhaps. No analogy is perfect, for sure. closeupready Jan 2015 #82

You are wrong, they do parody "actual currently living people." U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #93

You think that cartoon needs an excuse? It's mocking the far right wing. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #113

If you read the subthread you may get an answer to your "question" U4ikLefty Jan 2015 #168

If that's your claim I'm sure you are being honest about it. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #239

The problem was in attacking someone with power BainsBane Jan 2015 #278

Jesus as a real person seveneyes Jan 2015 #98

Not "merely insinuating that Sarkozy's son had become Jewish", but that he did it for money muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #139

Sinet never conceded that, and far from being clearly anti-semitic or even ambiguous, closeupready Jan 2015 #147

Speaking of double standards oberliner Jan 2015 #163

Life of Brian Astrad Jan 2015 #306

In short BainsBane Jan 2015 #211

Charlie Hebdo speaks for a world who is tired of murderous assholes. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #32

I guess they could have said "OK, we've learned our lesson, no more depictions of the Prophet, Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #35

In my opinion leftynyc Jan 2015 #41

This is absolute garbage oberliner Jan 2015 #38

I should have specified Sunni Islam. BainsBane Jan 2015 #46

According to Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of Notre Dame.... oberliner Jan 2015 #55

Both informative articles BainsBane Jan 2015 #75

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #315

Islam is getting all the respect it has earned! 4139 Jan 2015 #42

And another who confuses murderous fundamentalists with the entire religion. uppityperson Jan 2015 #47

+1 cali Jan 2015 #53

Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #103

Islam deserves as much respect as Extremist Fundamentalist Christian asses? uppityperson Jan 2015 #138

Thanks for your enlightening comment YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #126

Saying "goddamnit" is blasphemous to Christianity. Xithras Jan 2015 #45

This, now, is a good argument, as opposed to closeupready Jan 2015 #57

I'm not suggesting anyone abide by tenets of a religion BainsBane Jan 2015 #80

You can respect or disrespect anybody you want. Xithras Jan 2015 #128

Thank you so much for this. annabanana Jan 2015 #134

wonderful reply. thank you!! PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #135

+1 zappaman Jan 2015 #136

Perfectly stated. Thank you. Desert805 Jan 2015 #179

+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #184

Charlie Hebdo is indeed a product of Western culture BainsBane Jan 2015 #206

Would you have problem with a magazine that satarized prayin4rain Jan 2015 #326

I might find it offensive BainsBane Jan 2015 #328

I think i get what you're saying. You think it's mean prayin4rain Jan 2015 #335

Agreed! n/t prayin4rain Jan 2015 #325

You're goddamn right! zappaman Jan 2015 #83

Apparently Mohammed saying 'all is forgiven' is just as offensive ... GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #99

FAIL R3druM Jan 2015 #50

Free speech is often very disrespectful. bravenak Jan 2015 #58

But punching down is so much easier BainsBane Jan 2015 #61

I do not understand the way people are trying to stop the free speech of criticism. bravenak Jan 2015 #68

no one is trying to stop the free speech of criticism- we're simply criticizing it cali Jan 2015 #81

We all find murder more offensive, I hope. bravenak Jan 2015 #88

I was a student in France over 20 years ago, and I recall closeupready Jan 2015 #87

I have heard of such things from a girl who danced with me in a small troop. bravenak Jan 2015 #95

Freedom from getting shot and killed, is that the "criticism" you mean? uppityperson Jan 2015 #71

Not talking about Charlie Hebdo here BainsBane Jan 2015 #77

Except that the point they are making is not similar to Repubicans who say 'Welfare Queens' the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #160

I understand that that's what is said about the intent. bravenak Jan 2015 #161

It was not drawn in America, and it is not 'what's said on the intenet' it is what it means. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #236

I can stand with Le Pen? bravenak Jan 2015 #237

You agree with him about Charlie, that's just the fact. Why do you think he hates them? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #242

I simply think that that particular cartoon was racist. bravenak Jan 2015 #244

oops you forgot... giftedgirl77 Jan 2015 #263

Ooooh, my bad! bravenak Jan 2015 #265

No one is obliged to follow the rules of any religion REP Jan 2015 #65

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #316

Here's another cartoon depicting the prophet - oh those naughtly French! Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #69

Question: R3druM Jan 2015 #70

Huge fail since rape is not about retaliation for wearing skimpy clothes, being "disrespectful" uppityperson Jan 2015 #74

It most certainly can be and has been. cemaphonic Jan 2015 #174

woman raped for skimpy clothes? did you actually read this before hitting post? bettyellen Jan 2015 #115

Blasphemy is the rule of a theocracy. edhopper Jan 2015 #76

Seriously. Matariki Jan 2015 #297

Yes edhopper Jan 2015 #299

Bull. It is perfectly OK for a Muslim to live by those restrictions. For the rest of use, Blasphemy Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #79

And why is Islam deserving of respect? backscatter712 Jan 2015 #84

Because Mulsims are human beings. BainsBane Jan 2015 #85

You obviously didn't read my post. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #92

The fact is religion, ethnicity and class are intertwined BainsBane Jan 2015 #104

codswallop. and I for one don't hate religion- just the aspects of it that oppress cali Jan 2015 #118

The fact that some people can't seperate themselves from beliefs is simply snagglepuss Jan 2015 #279

You don't get to be un-Muslim BainsBane Jan 2015 #281

What? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #294

Yes, and Islam shows such tremendous respect for women's equality too bluestateguy Jan 2015 #180

I read information from Muslim feminist groups BainsBane Jan 2015 #205

Liberal independent women offend conservative Islam Prism Jan 2015 #86

+1 Desert805 Jan 2015 #107

+ 1000 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #114

One of the reasons I disrespect Islam... backscatter712 Jan 2015 #153

I know several liberal independent Muslim women BainsBane Jan 2015 #197

You're defending the concept of blasphemy Prism Jan 2015 #201

Tell me what is liberal about dumping all over a disenfranchised BainsBane Jan 2015 #203

"It's easy to pick on the weak." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #295

I say more images... lame54 Jan 2015 #89

People who are upset about this should convert to Islam and move to a fundamentalist state Fumesucker Jan 2015 #90

OP assumes the mag cover pic is mohammed. mag pic says nothing about that nt msongs Jan 2015 #96

The OP has a habit of assuming anything that will further their particular argument of the moment Fumesucker Jan 2015 #116

The editor says it is of Mohammad. BainsBane Jan 2015 #214

Please enlighten me as to what "pbuh" means (or stands for). cwydro Jan 2015 #97

Peace Be Upon Him Fumesucker Jan 2015 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Jan 2015 #101

^^^ Recommended reading ^^^ Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #132

Where did I mention fundamentalism? BainsBane Jan 2015 #200

Good. Islamic beliefs that think that is a crime worthy of death are barbaric. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #102

That isn't what I'm talking about BainsBane Jan 2015 #202

Hogwash. You are conflating valid criticisms of the ideology and Islam with Islamaphobia. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #223

I disagree BainsBane Jan 2015 #224

It's a large part of a great deal of Islam. Look to Saudi Arabia "the home of Islam". PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #226

I see that as an excuse BainsBane Jan 2015 #233

???? You see WHAT as an excuse? PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #234

Why cannot we denounce specific acts and practices BainsBane Jan 2015 #249

But that's what this whole conversation is about! The denunciation of Islam's blasphemy laws! riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #341

No, they have denounced Islam, not specific practices BainsBane Jan 2015 #342

What a crock. I have never called Muslims sickening or disgusting riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #343

It seems to disrespect a bunch of murderous assholes who murdered people for THEIR petty offense Autumn Jan 2015 #105

Those murderous assholes are dead BainsBane Jan 2015 #262

Some pretend some don't. Guess it all depends on what gets one the most traction. Autumn Jan 2015 #300

You are wrong. You apparently miss the whole concept of "free speech". rhett o rick Jan 2015 #109

I think it's you who miss the concept of free speech BainsBane Jan 2015 #215

I put no limits on free speech as you accuse. Maybe I missed the point of the OP. rhett o rick Jan 2015 #305

Why should anyone feel bound to avoid some behavior just because others think it is wrong? Vattel Jan 2015 #110

Do you refer to AAs using the "n" word? brer cat Jan 2015 #124

+1 bravenak Jan 2015 #127

No because referring to them in that way is morally wrong. Vattel Jan 2015 #148

Islam has laws for its members fadedrose Jan 2015 #111

Actually, the Satanic Verses controversy is a classic example of your first paragraph. cemaphonic Jan 2015 #173

Still, I think they could have got to him if they really tried fadedrose Jan 2015 #175

We don't live under a muslim moral code Depaysement Jan 2015 #112

I support raising their voice in defiance BainsBane Jan 2015 #212

This cartoon should sooth your righteous indignation Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #117

Threads like these show how hopelessly ethnocentric this board often is YoungDemCA Jan 2015 #120

How So? ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #241

Why should non-believers have to adhere to zealots' beliefs? Lars39 Jan 2015 #122

I'm frequently disrespectful of many religions, including my own. hunter Jan 2015 #123

If I had a nickel for every time Christianity was disrespected on DU alone Dreamer Tatum Jan 2015 #129

The idolatry of words... ymetca Jan 2015 #133

I don't fucking care if Islam is disrespected. Respect has to be earned and snagglepuss Jan 2015 #142

what do you think that means, "submission", in this instance? uppityperson Jan 2015 #170

It means surrender to the will of god. Now if that god decided snagglepuss Jan 2015 #231

Give up the ego, become one with everything, you are not the most important. Seems like the same uppityperson Jan 2015 #268

+5697 bluestateguy Jan 2015 #181

Just to say to you... cwydro Jan 2015 #146

Do you mean like Fundie Christians for whom women are sinners descended from that uppityperson Jan 2015 #172

I thought they were very clear on what they meant. Desert805 Jan 2015 #176

Christianity doesn't get a pass when it comes to enforcing discrimination against women... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #183

No, they shouldn't get a pass, but it's just not on the same scale oppression wise. cali Jan 2015 #185

That's definitely true... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #188

You must have trouble countenancing this society BainsBane Jan 2015 #210

I was going to comment earlier but I had to check to see if it is respectful to Islam for me, a man Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #149

That's the sign of a true master of any craft, making the difficult seem easy Fumesucker Jan 2015 #150

... cwydro Jan 2015 #154

I don't care for their cartoons. n/t hrmjustin Jan 2015 #151

As long as we're doing this with words, it's all good. Avalux Jan 2015 #158

After eight of their friends and colleagues... BlueStater Jan 2015 #159

But what has Islam done to deserve respect? Albertoo Jan 2015 #162

Because get the red out Jan 2015 #187

Edit: It turns out I'm wrong about this. See discussions below. Bonobo Jan 2015 #164

Imagine your reaction if that cover had skewered the Japanese BainsBane Jan 2015 #208

I would be offended indeed. Bonobo Jan 2015 #308

Why on Earth should the staff Codeine Jan 2015 #165

Perhaps so BainsBane Jan 2015 #221

Despicable and shameful. You can still delete your post nt riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #166

So much for free speech. BainsBane Jan 2015 #213

Oh, I defend your free speech. I was just trying to be helpful since your OP is so wrong riderinthestorm Jan 2015 #340

I've read some folks' comments Jamaal510 Jan 2015 #167

Do you think the current cover is in poor taste? oberliner Jan 2015 #182

Images are blasphemy because - why? bhikkhu Jan 2015 #171

Why should they give a shit about respecting Islam? bluestateguy Jan 2015 #177

Sickening get the red out Jan 2015 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Adept Jan 2015 #192

I happen to know a gay Muslim and women Muslims BainsBane Jan 2015 #199

Western liberal contempt for Islam is not Codeine Jan 2015 #228

Oh please get the red out Jan 2015 #331

Why should a non-Muslim give a fuck about blasphemy against Islam? NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #189

Well, it's clear to me you know less about Islam than you think you do. closeupready Jan 2015 #284

But he's only a prophet to them. To Christians, he IS the son of God. NutmegYankee Jan 2015 #317

I think the only people they disrespected are extremists, not mainstream Muslims... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #190

No religion deserves "respect". alarimer Jan 2015 #191

Between this and the Spider Woman cover... Blue_Adept Jan 2015 #193

I guess all us feminists look alike to you BainsBane Jan 2015 #220

Westboro Baptist Church celebrates the suffering of non-believers Generic Other Jan 2015 #194

But what if a cartoon conflated you with Westbororo baptist? BainsBane Jan 2015 #219

Then you have your job cut out for you to change perceptions Generic Other Jan 2015 #285

I have no respect for Islam. nt LexVegas Jan 2015 #195

Who fucking cares? tabasco Jan 2015 #196

Last I checked, a satirical magazine had no reason Arkana Jan 2015 #198

Sure, but they shouldn't pretend their issue BainsBane Jan 2015 #209

Says you. tabasco Jan 2015 #217

Actually, says her, me, and the French people have started discussing double standards closeupready Jan 2015 #287

Everyone is full of shit at some point, ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #204

Agreed. Don't pretend. Disrespect with reckless abandon. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #207

Agree on all counts ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #227

Hey, there's one of you out there! BainsBane Jan 2015 #229

I'm sick of thinly veiled islamophobia ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #230

+1 It's very obvious too. bravenak Jan 2015 #238

and I'm "sickening" BainsBane Jan 2015 #246

No, it's not you ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #247

Well, i'm a rightwing Le Pen supporter who can't understand humor. bravenak Jan 2015 #248

Your punching down comment was perfect BainsBane Jan 2015 #250

I don't think they get it.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #251

Not even a little bit BainsBane Jan 2015 #252

Dumb assumption HERVEPA Jan 2015 #253

Yep. For real. I love this high and mighty thing they have going on.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #254

Le Pen hates Muslims BainsBane Jan 2015 #256

Dunno. Maybe you can tell me why I'm a Le Pen supporter. bravenak Jan 2015 #257

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that BainsBane Jan 2015 #259

Good idea. bravenak Jan 2015 #260

I'm not sure what's going on with that one. closeupready Jan 2015 #288

Very angry about something I cannot seem to figure out. bravenak Jan 2015 #289

Really? What respect do they owe Muslims at this point... JCMach1 Jan 2015 #235

Three men killed their colleagues BainsBane Jan 2015 #245

a warped ideology you can say is at least derived from Islam, yes JCMach1 Jan 2015 #258

True about Saudi Arabia BainsBane Jan 2015 #261

All well and good, but because of what the Saudis have been doing for years, you would probably be JCMach1 Jan 2015 #264

Horrific BainsBane Jan 2015 #266

They should ahve mocked all the major religions in this one. MohRokTah Jan 2015 #243

I think that would have been better BainsBane Jan 2015 #255

54 arrests in France for speech violations this week BainsBane Jan 2015 #267

Series? Hedbo didn't learn them their lesson, huh? Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #271

So much for free speech. BainsBane Jan 2015 #273

You don't understand the concept. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #275

You pretend to. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #276

No, you don't BainsBane Jan 2015 #277

You really seem to be pushing this Jew vs. Muslim angle oberliner Jan 2015 #286

It happens to be what the French PM said BainsBane Jan 2015 #290

. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #291

It's really simple - you have no right to kill someone. Rex Jan 2015 #292

The killers are dead BainsBane Jan 2015 #321

Muhammad is a historical figure. I reserve the right to draw any thing I want. Matariki Jan 2015 #296

well you write 1 line about not condoning murder then several paragraphs trying to suppress free samsingh Jan 2015 #302

Show we what I wrote that tries to suppress free speech? BainsBane Jan 2015 #322

Charlie Hebdo chose to be defiant. They also chose to disrespect Islam and French Muslims. samsingh Jan 2015 #336

Read the first sentence BainsBane Jan 2015 #338

your true feelings are that the people who were murdered and their organization is full of shit samsingh Jan 2015 #339

I have never burned an American flag, nor have I ever had the slightest inclination to do so. tblue37 Jan 2015 #307

Free Speech. Either you believe in in, or you don't. Ikonoklast Jan 2015 #309

I see BainsBane Jan 2015 #310

Re-read what I posted. Ikonoklast Jan 2015 #311

It's even worse the second time around BainsBane Jan 2015 #312

The Quran makes no mention of showing the prophet as blasphemous. Agschmid Jan 2015 #313

If your beliefs aren't open to critical debate then they're pretty weak beliefs. Fearless Jan 2015 #318

I agree with both of those statements BainsBane Jan 2015 #319

Laughably stupid brentspeak Jan 2015 #323

What gave you the idea I was talking about radical Muslims? BainsBane Jan 2015 #324

The idea you are giving this board brentspeak Jan 2015 #327

Perhaps so BainsBane Jan 2015 #329

Radical Muslims are the "entire people"? brentspeak Jan 2015 #330

K'n'R for calling bullshit bullshit. nt ucrdem Jan 2015 #332

You know what ELSE is disrespectful to Islam, BB? Women driving. Women walking around unescorted by PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #337