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oberliner

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86. Agreed

Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:01 AM

Jan 2015

My issue is not with DU-ers of faith or anyone of faith really. It's with DU-ers who say we ought not to make fun of religious beliefs in the same way that we make fun of political ones. I saw posts like that in response to the Charlie H murders - with people posting articles saying "I am not Charlie" and implying that the magazine did something wrong and/or needlessly provocative via its cartoons. I find it especially galling that people can claim that the current cover of the magazine is somehow offensive or provocative. It appears that some folks are protective of Islam in a way that they would never be with respect to Republicanism.

Regarding the selectivity of religion bashing at DU, I don't know that I've read enough threads to be able to make any kind of assertions on that score. I have observed that folks feel pretty free to "have at it" with respect to Christianity.

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DU relentlessly mocks those whose ideas we disagree with [View all] oberliner Jan 2015 OP

It's not nice to point out their hypocrisy to the hypocrites Lurks Often Jan 2015 #1

...^ that 840high Jan 2015 #127

lol I just posted damn near the same thing. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #2

You've made some very good points in response to those threads oberliner Jan 2015 #64

Same to you. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #82

It is never an easy line to draw between free speech and criticism. Never. randome Jan 2015 #3

Yes. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #6

So a NAMBLA magazine in grocery store aisles is okay? randome Jan 2015 #14

IIRC, Pedophilia is a crime. riqster Jan 2015 #23

Sure it's a crime. But is talking about it a crime? No, it's not. randome Jan 2015 #29

Grocery stores are not required to stock particular magazines oberliner Jan 2015 #75

I agree nt WhiteTara Jan 2015 #88

Of course not. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #87

NAMBLA bills itself as a political and civil rights organization. randome Jan 2015 #123

An organization dedicated to pedophilia... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #124

From what I can find, there's very little of the organization left. randome Jan 2015 #126

You mean the North American Marlon Brando smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #167

Legally, I think it should be okay, but I wouldn't blame customers for being very upset. ZombieHorde Jan 2015 #151

Yes and yes melman Jan 2015 #7

It's not an easy line to draw. randome Jan 2015 #13

"Absolutely!" and "Damned Straight!!" eom MohRokTah Jan 2015 #8

Yes. distantearlywarning Jan 2015 #9

I didn't choose the right examples, that's for sure. randome Jan 2015 #22

..."a child being eaten..." Tanuki Jan 2015 #12

A cartoon showing a child being eaten muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #19

I suppose I was thinking of something more gory. randome Jan 2015 #21

that cartoon is pretty hardcore. modeled after goya (saturn eating his children) only uglier. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #169

Have you seen 'The Walking Dead'? Do you think that should be banned? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #25

I'm not out to ban anything, just pointing out we already have restrictions on absolute speech. randome Jan 2015 #31

And here I am again wondering why you refuse to comment on the denigrating language religion Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #56

Hateful speech is even more difficult to restrict, I think. randome Jan 2015 #110

But it seems easy for you to propose limits to artistic or political expression that are 'offensive' Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #117

It's entirely possible that I don't see the issue clearly without walking in your shoes. randome Jan 2015 #118

Making fun of other ideologies oberliner Jan 2015 #59

We are free (or more free). But France is not. randome Jan 2015 #121

I don't know that we are oberliner Jan 2015 #135

That isn't necessarily an issue of free speech, though. randome Jan 2015 #141

Good point oberliner Jan 2015 #146

The same thing applies for why movies and TV rarely discuss abortion. randome Jan 2015 #156

Sad that these terrorists have so much power oberliner Jan 2015 #158

Yes The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #63

Need to add one to your list. jeff47 Jan 2015 #114

Disagree vehemently randys1 Jan 2015 #129

To Me RobinA Jan 2015 #139

There is something to be said for peer pressure and societal disapproval. randome Jan 2015 #142

But...but...Olive Garden! TheManInTheMac Jan 2015 #4

And the pit bulls who breastfeed there. riqster Jan 2015 #27

I am a fan of their breadsticks oberliner Jan 2015 #60

I don't think the mockery is necessarily a good thing Enrique Jan 2015 #5

How is the Saudi Kingdom 'powerless'? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #28

I have zero problem with mocking the theocrats Enrique Jan 2015 #148

The poking is of Islam... MellowDem Jan 2015 #144

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #10

+1 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Jan 2015 #37

Perhaps part of that is the nature TBF Jan 2015 #11

Republicans Are Not "Open" To Anything StevePaulson Jan 2015 #43

Well it doesn't make a lick of sense to mock those you agree with! rock Jan 2015 #15

This is in response to certain posts I've read recently oberliner Jan 2015 #34

If you offend me by telling me a fairy story rock Jan 2015 #66

Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #67

Well done! rock Jan 2015 #84

Tough The Green Manalishi Jan 2015 #74

What do you think of the publication of an obscene cartoon depicted Mohammed? oberliner Jan 2015 #76

People find it tough to make a logical argument treestar Jan 2015 #89

Yes, it does . . . hatrack Jan 2015 #16

Pedantic Nonsense ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #17

Indeed! Political Correctness redux Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #26

Not sure how you mean that oberliner Jan 2015 #90

You're kidding, right? gregcrawford Jan 2015 #18

I was responding to some posts I've read recently oberliner Jan 2015 #36

For Conservatives StevePaulson Jan 2015 #47

Perfect! freebrew Jan 2015 #49

Should religious philosophies be open to the same mockery? oberliner Jan 2015 #92

The hypocrisy is astounding. joshcryer Jan 2015 #20

"other ideologies" StevePaulson Jan 2015 #30

"Republicans are a disease" oberliner Jan 2015 #42

I Would Be Absolutely Comfortable StevePaulson Jan 2015 #53

You have become that which you profess to hate. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #83

Nope StevePaulson Jan 2015 #101

You imagine yourself to be infallible. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #138

Wow, you need some wax for that cross? Rex Jan 2015 #32

Who was hurt by seeing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons? oberliner Jan 2015 #38

That's not what the title of your thread says. Rex Jan 2015 #40

Hopefully you were able to read beyond the title oberliner Jan 2015 #44

Sorry then I think we both agree and I didn't get your point at all. Rex Jan 2015 #48

I may not have done enough to make it clear oberliner Jan 2015 #55

I am too. I really don't understand how people can be for free speech Rex Jan 2015 #65

Well put oberliner Jan 2015 #68

"Religion" Is Mostly Evil StevePaulson Jan 2015 #58

I have a wide scope when it comes to ridicule. Religion is just one of them. Rex Jan 2015 #70

Those seeing everything as "good" or "evil" whathehell Jan 2015 #125

I Am Morally Superior StevePaulson Jan 2015 #80

I dont even know where to start with those comments in the OP randys1 Jan 2015 #133

I must be dense - does this mean we are not supposed to mock rurallib Jan 2015 #33

This came in response to posts I've read arguing that we shouldn't mock religions oberliner Jan 2015 #39

Well I am still confused which is what talk about religion usually does to me rurallib Jan 2015 #51

That is probably my fault for being vague oberliner Jan 2015 #57

Me too. Confused. SOS... tblue Jan 2015 #104

Many of the same posters wanting to protect religion did the same for Rick Warren and other Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #35

Great points oberliner Jan 2015 #93

It may come down to posting links to those who denigrated LGBT people for objecting to insults Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #119

The lack of self-awareness would be hilarious if it weren't so galling Prism Jan 2015 #41

This is one of the more insightful posts on this topic I have read distantearlywarning Jan 2015 #61

Yep Prism Jan 2015 #78

Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #94

There are a couple of things in your analogy with which I'd take issue. whathehell Jan 2015 #45

Thanks for sharing that oberliner Jan 2015 #52

Reagan Was A Monster StevePaulson Jan 2015 #72

Every word you posted here is absolute fact. randys1 Jan 2015 #134

"Religion is a personal thing if someone keeps it personal" whathehell Jan 2015 #81

Agreed oberliner Jan 2015 #86

In terms of people who claim a faith but reject the doctrines in their own lives, that is not a good Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #54

They don't just reject it in "their own lives". They reject it for others as well. whathehell Jan 2015 #69

Gee, even Francis openly supports the 'March For Life' and the RCC is one of the leading anti gay Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #85

Does Orthodox Judaism, Evangelical Christianity or Islam support gay rights? whathehell Jan 2015 #96

I point out the hypocrisy in all of those faiths. Evangelicals in particular. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #102

"I want rights equal to your own"...You mean mine as a female, LOL? whathehell Jan 2015 #113

Why on Earth would you accsue me of 'hating you' when all I am doing is speaking up for my own Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #116

OMG, okay, so you don't hate me, that's good, whathehell Jan 2015 #120

Wow. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #131

Wow. whathehell Jan 2015 #140

OR, those who do not support everything about their church, synagogue or temple, could be working sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #161

Mockery should be saved for Republicans IMO treestar Jan 2015 #46

The opposite in not allowed you say? Prove it. Rex Jan 2015 #50

This is a problem, the trashing of a large section of the DNC, the Third Way runs as Democrats, work Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #62

And so will liberals that continuously get trashed by centrists. Rex Jan 2015 #77

Apparently you don't know, I am not libertarian, why are you doing this? Are you proud of the Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #99

Why did you purposely ignore my post and just type whatever you wanted to? Rex Jan 2015 #100

Do you know what you posted? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #111

Why are you lying about the Third Way not being a libertarian think tank? Just out and out dishonest Rex Jan 2015 #160

I do know what I am talking about ergo why are you lying. I say you sound like a libertarian. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #162

I've never seen the Third Way "merely discussed." treestar Jan 2015 #91

SO then you will quit with the firebagger stuff? Yeah didn't think so. Rex Jan 2015 #105

I don't use it at all myself treestar Jan 2015 #106

Nonsense, show me one post that was hidden for using firebagger etc.. Rex Jan 2015 #107

That's a very self serving attack on DU. I could if you'd like link to posts by you that take Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #79

What about right-wing religious ideologies? oberliner Jan 2015 #95

Yes. I'm usually ready to laugh treestar Jan 2015 #109

As we draw closer to world environmental collapse randr Jan 2015 #71

yep and there is a correlation Duppers Jan 2015 #128

Our survival may depend on removing them from the gene pool randr Jan 2015 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2015 #150

Demonizing the other guy is a built in response pscot Jan 2015 #73

When is it disagreement, and when is it propaganda? Shamash Jan 2015 #97

"Republicans and conservatives are routinely called names." Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #98

Being an underclass in Western society ought not to make your ideology immune to criticism oberliner Jan 2015 #137

"No one is saying no one has a right to make fun of anything they want" Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #149

"What's being asked is what is being served by making fun of cultures ...." oberliner Jan 2015 #152

Is that true of the culture of France? Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #166

To hell with their feelings! MynameisBlarney Jan 2015 #103

There's a big difference between respecting someone's beliefs and ... vlyons Jan 2015 #108

This type of response is what fuels Republicans in their delusions of superiority. gordianot Jan 2015 #112

I don't have the time to be relentless Demonaut Jan 2015 #115

So when "family values experts" like Mike Huckabee display breathtaking ignorance on the subject... Initech Jan 2015 #122

I don't think that's the point of the OP PersonNumber503602 Jan 2015 #153

big k & r Duppers Jan 2015 #130

This is true but, I don't think we are presenting our Best Selves when do this. We do it from a Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #136

You've been listening to too much Moody Blues. randome Jan 2015 #143

lol ... guilty as charged. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #145

You make an excellent point... MellowDem Jan 2015 #147

Thanks oberliner Jan 2015 #157

agreed Skittles Jan 2015 #168

Criticizing and mockery are two different things and one of them sometimes can have sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #154

"But mocking ordinary people who are not public figures, simply doesn't achieve anything. " oberliner Jan 2015 #155

Did it change his mind? That would be the test of whether all the mockery worked. Unless we are sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #159

The question should be, "did it change OTHER people's minds?" progressoid Jan 2015 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jan 2015 #163

Some Democrats support torture and some Republicans don't oberliner Jan 2015 #164