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Fred Sanders

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57. Amen.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

At times they were kind, they were polite in their sophistication, smiling but never too loudly acting in a civilized manner an illusion of gentleness always fighting to get their way. while the people see, the people know, the people wait, the people say the closing of your doors will never shut use out, the closing of your doors can only shut you in.

We know the predator, we see them feed on us, we are aware to starve the beast is our destiny. At times they were kind, they were polite, but never honest.

We see your tech no logical society devour you before your very eyes we hear your anguished cries exalting greed through progress while you seek material advances the sound of flowers dying carry messages through the wind trying to tell you about balance and your safety

But your minds are chained to your machines and the strings dangling from your puppeteers hands turning you, twisting you into forms and confusions beyond your control

Your mind for a job your mind for a t.v. your mind for a hair dryer your mind for consumption.

With your atom bombs your material bombs your drug bombs your racial bombs your class bombs your sexist bombs your ageist bombs

Devastating your natural shelters making you homeless on earth chasing you into illusions fooling you, making you pretend you can run away from the ravishing of your spirit

While the sound of flowers dying carry messages through the wind trying to tell you about balance and your safety.

Trying to isolate us in a dimension called loneliness leading us into the trap believe in their power but not in ourselves piling us with guilt always taking the blame greed chasing out the balance trying to isolate us in a dimension called loneliness

economic deities seizing power through illusions created armies are justified class systems are democracy god listens to warmongers prayers tyranny is here, divide and conquer trying to isolate us in a dimension called loneliness

greed a parent insecurity the happiness companion genocide conceived in sophistication tech no logic material civilization a rationalization replacing a way to live trying to isolate us in a dimension called loneliness

..............

To God,

we hope you don’t mind but we would like to talk to you; there are some things we need to straighten out, it’s about these christians they claim to be from your nation but man you should see the things they do all the time blaming it on you: manifest destiny, genocide, maximized profit, sterilization, raping the earth, lying taking more than they need in all the forms of the greed. we ask them why, they say it’s god’s will.

Damn god they make it so hard. Remember jesus? Would you send him back to them, tell them (not) to kill him, rather they should listen stop abusing his name and yours.

We do not mean to be disrespectful but you know how it is, our people have their own ways we never even heard of you until not long ago, your representatives spoke magnificent things of you which we were willing to believe, but from the way they acted we know we and you were being deceived.

We do not mean you and your christian children any bad, but you all came to take all we had we have not seen you but we have heard so much it is time for you to decide what life is worth we already remember but maybe you forgot.

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All worship at the church of the almighty dollar (or Yen, Euro, etc, etc.) n2doc Jan 2015 #1
I fear the rule of the Holy High Church of Mass Media, America's true masters, they are untouchable. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
The media are just doing what their masters tell them to do n2doc Jan 2015 #3
And now the obvious manipulation to fear an entire other religion...Fearbola was just the dress Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #5
ISIS & Ebola were reported hand-to-hand JonLP24 Jan 2015 #131
And it was sooo bloody obvious..corporate media was in it's full glory in 2014! mountain grammy Jan 2015 #101
Actually the almighty dollar is the biggest threat known to man. Initech Jan 2015 #46
K&R! Well Said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #105
aint it the truth. and behind that, the church of power, a satanic church. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #76
Sorry edhopper Jan 2015 #4
Nice tries is what free speech is all about. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
True edhopper Jan 2015 #9
President Cruz will never happen, of course not. That would be too scary to think about. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
And we can speculate about the Taliban edhopper Jan 2015 #16
premise ND-Dem Jan 2015 #78
both are acceptable, edhopper Jan 2015 #108
Pakistan is officially an Islamic Republic. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #72
Thanks edhopper Jan 2015 #73
How can it be argued that Pakistan is not a Muslim nation? LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #137
Earth-shatteringly stupid theory. Codeine Jan 2015 #6
CNN, Fox, most of the mass media and all of the Republicans in Congress would disagree. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8
People can say any stupid thing they want. Codeine Jan 2015 #10
CNN is Catholic? melman Jan 2015 #24
CNN is a tough nut to prove, but look at the religion of their TV lineup. Did I say something bad? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #26
UNREC brooklynite Jan 2015 #11
Yeah, but what can you do about it? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #12
Time to ban Christians. ileus Jan 2015 #14
From politics if their policies are ideologically driven, of course. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15
Really? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #38
A man who was able to seperate spirituality from political ideology and real world policy. None Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39
So how you you propose sifting the beliefs of religious people Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author MFrohike Jan 2015 #128
You may be the first person on DU to advocate a religious litmus test for office... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #60
Not all, mock their extremist ideas and connect those ideas to their political desires. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #21
And what precisely is a "yearning for religion" Codeine Jan 2015 #17
'Sorry, but religion threads are not allowed in GD. Please do consider reposting in religion. hlthe2b Jan 2015 #18
Is the thread unlocked? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #20
Wow, just freaking wow! hrmjustin Jan 2015 #19
Complete logic fail. Even most believers don't distort things to this degree to make some cbayer Jan 2015 #22
As no one of any consequence or in a position of power is calling for Christian religious beliefs Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #23
There are lots of people calling for that and we have a constitution that prohibits it. cbayer Jan 2015 #25
My intent is to mock extremist Christians ideology, it is permitted, within the bounds of not being vulgar. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #27
I think pretty much everyone here is on board with their objection to extremist cbayer Jan 2015 #28
I am genuinely worried about creeping Maria law, Sharia law xenophobic fake fears are the cover. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #32
I think it's best if I stop kicking this thread. cbayer Jan 2015 #35
Consider for a moment who your audience is. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #36
Several state constitutions prohibit atheists from holding office Fumesucker Jan 2015 #41
A federal ruling made all of those null and void years ago. cbayer Jan 2015 #43
And yet the number of atheists in office in those states didn't appreciably change after that ruling Fumesucker Jan 2015 #64
No argument that it remains very difficult for atheists to get elected, but cbayer Jan 2015 #65
Thank you and f**ing jeez! smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #74
Russia is very Christian, probably moreso than the US MillennialDem Jan 2015 #104
Actually, no. cbayer Jan 2015 #107
Well given the amount of pull the orthodox church has now is what I meant, I didn't mean the MillennialDem Jan 2015 #109
I would love to talk to you more, but I don't want to kick this thread. cbayer Jan 2015 #111
So when are we wiping out all the non believers? n/t dilby Jan 2015 #29
Well, we're thirteen years into our current Crusades n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #112
We need to look back in history to solve problems....lions* would be my first choice ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #30
"Yearning for religion" nations. dawg Jan 2015 #31
Not believing in a God is a belief system? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #44
Believing that the existence of God is an impossibility is ... dawg Jan 2015 #48
I like agnostics, they use reason as their religion. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #53
Oh dear. That's ridiculous. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #75
Questioning whether God exists is an exercise in the freaking obvious. It requires no reasoning. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #81
Yeah, exactly. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #86
Even Dawkins doesn't say that Fumesucker Jan 2015 #66
Dawkins can be abrasive at times, but he's a more thoughtful and reasonable man ... dawg Jan 2015 #67
Dawkins also grew up in a culture rather less marinaded in fundamentalist religion than our own Fumesucker Jan 2015 #68
The fundies do more to drive people away from religion than Mr. Dawkins ever could. dawg Jan 2015 #69
You... just sit around and think this stuff up. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #33
It's a curse. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #34
That makes sense. Now I get it. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2015 #37
Hey, when did the US become a "Christian nation"? Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #42
To be fair, the OP is routinely and roundly ridiculed on DU as well. nt Codeine Jan 2015 #47
In your dreams. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #50
In this thread. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #54
You can start your own OP on how extremist Christian religion has nothing to do with politics in America. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #55
Why would I do that, I don't think that Christian fuckery has nothing to do with US politics Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #59
Imagine no religion malaise Jan 2015 #45
"Imagine no religion" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #49
it was people ranting on the internet, his life was never at risk JI7 Jan 2015 #80
Were they Christians or Muslims ranting on the Internet, which never happens by the way? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #84
I do not think Christians are like that. Why are you smearing an entire religion using one, single Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #83
It wasn't Christians losing their minds over the lyric change. DU was quite the display of Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #88
I wasn't Christians? Then it is serious stuff if it was not Christians. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #90
It was tragically comical in its incoherent lack of self awareness. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #93
"Incoherent lack of self awareness". Got that right. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #95
To this day I still see no point to the rending of garments that resulted. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #97
Except that change was anything but innocuous. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #85
It's a stupid pop song. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #87
If you say so. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #89
Which just validates my original post in the sub-thread. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #92
Sounds like obtuse tone-deafness and wilfull ignorance to me. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #94
What harm was inflicted except to over-developed senses of sentiment? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #96
Who said anything about harm? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #98
I said the lyric change was innocuous. You repeatedly asserted that is was not innocuous Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #99
Oh dear. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #100
Okay, fine. It still doesn't explain the zealotry erupting over just a song by some guy especially Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #102
Zealotry? Thats funny. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #106
Yeah. That definition pretty much validates my point. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #110
I'm gonna go with willful tone-deafness. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #113
You provided the defintion, I agreed with it. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #114
You agreed with an illogical definition you gave it yourself. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #115
I never said Green was harmed. I said he was the object of vitriol, which he was. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #116
You ask "who was harmed?" then pretend that "justified the vitriol that was unleashed against him" cleanhippie Jan 2015 #117
I'm the object of your vitriol. I hardly feel harmed. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #120
And now I'm vitriolic? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #122
When you call me tone-deaf and then say that is probably too kind then yes, Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #123
How we got from debating the proper use of "innocuous" to an incoherent tale of your "conversion" cleanhippie Jan 2015 #124
You started the debate on the definition. I remain content with my use of the word and Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #125
Perhaps in your haste to respond you've overlooked all my explanations? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #126
Green's rewrite hardly rises to the level of vitriol directed at Lennon. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #127
That must be some view from up there. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #129
"To those that "lost their collective minds" it was more than just one little line" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #130
I've reached the maximum number of ways I can re-word my point. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #132
All I have seen is statements telling me people are upset, that the song has deep value to them. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #133
Woosh! cleanhippie Jan 2015 #134
Again, where have you explained it? Your comments addressing the song (rather than my vocabulary) -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #135
Are you still talking to me? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #136
"I've moved on" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #138
Still here? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #139
"Still here?" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #140
Perhaps you should try it instead of watching it. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #141
"Perhaps you should try it instead of watching it." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #142
See, you haven't moved on, but I have. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #144
Link for people who don't know what this subthread is about: treestar Jan 2015 #145
Gotta vote with clean hippie on this one. Now to explain how they got from the OP topic to a Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #148
"All other religions combined: approx $200 million annum, mainly China" EX500rider Jan 2015 #51
Thank you, corrected. They aethiests are catching up with their weaponry and spending. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #52
Hmmm 2naSalit Jan 2015 #56
Amen. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #57
My favorite part 2naSalit Jan 2015 #61
Correction noted, did seem entirely out of context. Thanks for the poetry. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #62
Why 2naSalit Jan 2015 #63
How about you try this new title: Nations with a Christian majority cpwm17 Jan 2015 #58
When Christians start wiping out entire towns for not bowing to them backwoodsbob Jan 2015 #70
It was not an entire town but it was 77 children. Hans Brevik. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #71
Who was an absolute nut case. His views smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #79
Hans was a Christian as the terrorists of Paris were Muslims. Agreed. I like principals. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #82
So I guess its time to invade Mexico and South America. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #77
They hang gays from cranes in Iran. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #91
Due to US intervention. Our coup handed their extremist everything they had Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #118
Obama withdrawing all Christian warriors from Muslim majority lands is not sitting well Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #121
Kill the planet is an overstatement, but I agree with the rest of your point. Christians have done MillennialDem Jan 2015 #103
Everything shitty in today's Islam is directly attributable to western imperialism. Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #119
Oh ffs, you can't be serious. smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #147
Then you clearly have no knowledge or interest in the actual history of the religion and the region Exultant Democracy Jan 2015 #149
The first time I've seen a DUer argue that hughee99 Jan 2015 #143
+1 treestar Jan 2015 #146
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