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79. Coretta King had a long drawn out battle with the black clergy over lgbt rights.

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 10:34 AM

Jan 2015

That is how complex the picture really is, how resistant to imbecilic reductionism it is. That battle continues to this day, unresolved long after her death.

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What do DUers that defend mocking religious beliefs think of these pictures? [View all] onenote Jan 2015 OP

...that MLK Jr. spread dangerous superstitions, I suppose jberryhill Jan 2015 #1

All I can say is . . . Brigid Jan 2015 #2

Pictures of people participating in innocuous religious rituals Bonx Jan 2015 #3

+1 nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #18

yes, i'm an atheist and i like putting up a christmas tree JI7 Jan 2015 #51

Same here. My immediate family is mostly secular, but we celebrate Christmas wholeheartedly. n/t nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #222

Right! There's nothing in these photos to mock. Demit Jan 2015 #104

The OP is essentially a strawman that pretends if someone mocks religious ideas... Major Nikon Jan 2015 #156

+1000 nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #223

People can believe what they want. cyberswede Jan 2015 #4

THANK YOU THANK YOU Skittles Jan 2015 #6

And that's the way it should be. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #9

Yeah, that's where I'm at. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #62

Yep. What cyberswede said. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #108

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2015 #115

that does seem pretty simple fishwax Jan 2015 #127

Except it's never that simple pscot Jan 2015 #165

It IS that simple. Frank Cannon Jan 2015 #211

Is that a Natural Law? pscot Jan 2015 #212

+1 HuckleB Jan 2015 #150

But why is free speech only for those who mock? kcr Jan 2015 #161

People can criticize what they want, too. cyberswede Jan 2015 #162

I'm glad you think so. Tell it to the rest of DU. kcr Jan 2015 #163

Is DU, actually, silencing anyone? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #164

Did I claim DU was silencing anyone? kcr Jan 2015 #168

"Why is free speech only for those who mock"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #169

I wasn't actually proposing we turn it around kcr Jan 2015 #171

That was the first sentence in your post. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #174

Okay then it wasn't in front of my sentence. You removed whatever made it clear. kcr Jan 2015 #175

We're talking past each other. Maybe you meant the thing about "yes butters"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #177

How about don't ascribe positions to them they don't have in the first place? nt kcr Jan 2015 #178

You're saying there wasnt a big flood of "yesbut yesbut yesbut" here, after Charlie Hebdo? Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #179

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying kcr Jan 2015 #180

Hence the but. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #181

No kcr Jan 2015 #183

And I saw a lot of posts which I categorize that way, because it is what they did. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #184

Maybe there are different corners of DU that you and I frequent kcr Jan 2015 #185

People can anything they want. Eg, they can walk under moving trains. But most people think sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #176

I don't really see a comparison between mocking something and walking under a moving train. cyberswede Jan 2015 #182

It depends. Eg, would you poke a tiger just for fun? Some people are in a position of power or sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #190

Which group does "religion" fall under? cyberswede Jan 2015 #194

Many times it is the most vulnerable people who cling to religion. So mocking them for the only sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #201

Except Israel and Judaism are not to be mocked. Octafish Jan 2015 #207

Simple and true.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #209

I still think their beliefs are silly OriginalGeek Jan 2015 #5

Nothing. Just what am I supposed to think? dissentient Jan 2015 #7

+1. Over my head. cheapdate Jan 2015 #126

me either rurallib Jan 2015 #206

all religious people are racist and homophobic and support racist and homophobic ND-Dem Jan 2015 #8

... nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #19

no need to play your little fiddle; i'm not in need of your sympathy and didn't ask for it. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #23

The religious are the majority. They're not persecuted or oppressed, overall, in any meaningful way. nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #29

the "point" is completely irrelevant, as the conversation was about DU. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31

Okay, maybe the "violin" smiley is a bit much, but think of how many people out there in the world nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #32

thank you for backing off a bit. there are surely some people like that, and i have nothing ND-Dem Jan 2015 #36

... TransitJohn Jan 2015 #68

... NuclearDem Jan 2015 #70

Strawflowers in the pocket. Nice! cheapdate Jan 2015 #131

That's just 'punching down' to blame the victims and cover up for the racism and homophobia to Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #71

Which victims are you talking about? I'm sick of the blanket "population segment" talk ND-Dem Jan 2015 #102

There are a lot of gullible people in the world 4now Jan 2015 #10

You want my honest opinion? Cartoonist Jan 2015 #12

"there would be good people if religion didn't corrupt their mind and replace reason with bullshit" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30

simply because they suffer from a lack of reason Cartoonist Jan 2015 #91

It's easy to go against the government but not against God? LOL. Sure thing. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #101

"and religion gives people power over others? in what sense?" Politicalboi Jan 2015 #134

key words: "by making LAWS" The religion doesn't give the power, those who control ND-Dem Jan 2015 #138

Now who's believing in fairy tales? nxylas Jan 2015 #35

indeed. people don't persecute each other because of religion, or politics, or anything else. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #38

who said ANYTHING about "officially sanctioned idology?? Skittles Jan 2015 #43

Atheism isn't an ideology. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #46

It was a tenet of Soviet Communism, which was an ideology nxylas Jan 2015 #47

But that's quite different, isn't it? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #48

OK, got it nxylas Jan 2015 #56

Can you describe what the "atheist ideology" actually is? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #77

scientific materialism, a.k.a. logical positivism. . . . n/t zazen Jan 2015 #122

One needs to subscribe to those ideas to not believe in a god? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #125

Atheism is the absence of belief in gods. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #159

Where is the atheist "holy book" commanding non-believers to kill or convert NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #89

Nicely done. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #160

Nice double standard there Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #199

No. Again, "atheism" is not a system or an organization. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #202

That's just asserting your double standard again Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #203

Not really. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #157

I would dispute the Wikipedia definition of religion nxylas Jan 2015 #210

Theism is defined as the belief in deities, religion is more than that. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #213

Me too. Much more civilised. nxylas Jan 2015 #214

I prefer to use a broad inclusive definition. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #215

Yes, probably more sense than I did nxylas Jan 2015 #216

Seems like a good one to go with. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #217

I don't think it's intolerance nxylas Jan 2015 #221

That certainly seems to be the standard Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #191

The Spanish Inquisition Cartoonist Jan 2015 #90

our own government injures more people than just about any force on earth. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #24

It still has a lot of catching up to do Cartoonist Jan 2015 #94

You think Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was "gullible"? thucythucy Jan 2015 #69

where was his "god" when he was shot and killed?nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #80

you sound like the charlie gang ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

That has to be hands down the most callous thing I've read today, thucythucy Jan 2015 #123

The same place as 'free' speech. Nonexistant here on earth for sure. bravenak Jan 2015 #130

This very forum is an example of free speech. cheapdate Jan 2015 #132

Free speech ain't always free. There are folks getting arrested in France right now for free speech. bravenak Jan 2015 #135

I'm talking about what the government allows, cheapdate Jan 2015 #141

Free speech is not free here either. bravenak Jan 2015 #142

Have never heard anyone making the points you just posted. So accurate. Unforgettable. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #144

Thank you for being rational. I am suprised at DU right now.nt bravenak Jan 2015 #146

Lovely folk. Shame they're wasting their time, energy and money wickerwoman Jan 2015 #11

so are citizens of every government on earth. i'll take my local church over george bush's ND-Dem Jan 2015 #39

Exactly shenmue Jan 2015 #152

I have those thoughts too when I see pictuers like this. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #109

Yes, that Martin Luther King.... philosslayer Jan 2015 #208

That we have freedom of religion Sherman A1 Jan 2015 #13

We think of these pictures. Eko Jan 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author ND-Dem Jan 2015 #25

And then these pictures. Eko Jan 2015 #15

I think these pictures deliberately tell one side of a story DFW Jan 2015 #16

... nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #20

I cannot but agree. Well said. Shrike47 Jan 2015 #44

+1 Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #59

Not to mention the KKK Eko Jan 2015 #17

Exactly, they want to decide after the fact who qualifies as a True Christian. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #37

And you did the same upthread Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #192

Um, yeah, except no, I didn't. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #193

Um, yeah, you did Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #195

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods; it's not responsible for anything other than that. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #197

That just shows your double standard some more Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #198

Atheism is not a religion, the definitions are not even comparable. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #200

Freedom of religion without freedom *from* religion isn't worth a whole lot... Just saying... nomorenomore08 Jan 2015 #21

Pretty. Iggo Jan 2015 #22

https://floridamemory.com/fpc/reference/rc02189.jpg blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #26

Think the first two pictures are ironic in that lexington filly Jan 2015 #27

http://thatsmyphilosophy.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/7-mountains.jpg blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #28

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/Ted_Cruz_by_Gage_Skidmore_4.jpg blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #33

I wonder what some of those pictured (and certainly many not pictured) would think of... Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #34

+1 ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #40

Love love wins! JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #54

This Christian thinks they're adorable. dawg Jan 2015 #98

oy vey Hari Seldon Jan 2015 #41

In this particular instance it is that some only think the Christian religion is picked on ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #42

+1 Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #60

Excellent point. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #118

I sometimes envy those who believe. Life would be so simple... I don't mock rational people. Shrike47 Jan 2015 #45

I don't understand the point of the op gwheezie Jan 2015 #49

most of those are nice pictures but religion can still be mocked JI7 Jan 2015 #50

I think that all religious people are wrong, but most of them are not bad people. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #52

none of those pictures involve someone shoving their religion down your throat. hobbit709 Jan 2015 #53

oh, the false equivalency gambit! KG Jan 2015 #55

Bingo! It's a favorite strategy of those QC Jan 2015 #72

Silly GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #57

This is absurd. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #58

+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #74

I think they show some beautiful expressions of faith. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #61

All of your pictures make me wonder if any of those people... countryjake Jan 2015 #63

Your logical fallacy: Augustus Jan 2015 #64

+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #143

A little background glare in the 1st three? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #65

I do not care for the exploitation of Dr King and other good people in an apparent defense of Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #66

They're a buch of people TransitJohn Jan 2015 #67

technically iron age, but same point. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #76

I think this thread is a clumsy, transparent attempt at manipulation, QC Jan 2015 #73

+1 Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #75

yep. I could post a slew of "christian" pictures that would tell a completely different story. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #78

No, it's drawing attention to the massive double standard here Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #196

Coretta King had a long drawn out battle with the black clergy over lgbt rights. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #79

None of those people are killing people. So what? These pics don't do what you want them to. Autumn Jan 2015 #81

What do DUers defending religion think of these pictures... SidDithers Jan 2015 #82

That montage should be called Fleecers of the Flock. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #158

Or this one... (a Canadian, no less) countryjake Jan 2015 #166

Yup. Lots of Canadian nutters out there too...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #170

Didn't Canada kick him out or something? countryjake Jan 2015 #173

Oh man! You absolutely have to include the "farting preacher" in this group. longship Jan 2015 #205

We tend to forget that in Europe the first hospitals, universities, schools and orphanages ucrdem Jan 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author dawg Jan 2015 #84

I think those pictures don't depict the underlying issues we "mockers" have with religious PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #85

But what do you think about wedding ritual and priest's blessing? LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #153

The op literally accused me of being Nazi sympathizer, forgive me for my cynicism. PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #154

I missed that exchange. LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #155

Ummm....were you trying to make a point? That religion can inspire people to good? alphafemale Jan 2015 #86

what some get wrong kpete Jan 2015 #87

You can mock religious beliefs and respect peoples' right to believe at the same time. chrisa Jan 2015 #88

this guy said he was a Christian so not always haters lunasun Jan 2015 #93

So you're saying that without religion they would all have led immoral lives? brooklynite Jan 2015 #92

I don't think anything about them. SamKnause Jan 2015 #95

Yes. the op thinks if you support criticizing and mocking religion, you support genocide PeaceNikki Jan 2015 #96

atheists and believers are similar in that neither have any facts to back up their claims seveneyes Jan 2015 #97

what is an atheist claim? whatthehey Jan 2015 #107

atheist claim there is no god seveneyes Jan 2015 #111

Not believing in a god is not the same thing as asserting there is no god. Marr Jan 2015 #119

Keyword being "Belief" seveneyes Jan 2015 #140

A *lack* of belief. Marr Jan 2015 #186

I figure using practicality and imagination seveneyes Jan 2015 #189

This message was self-deleted by its author wavesofeuphoria Jan 2015 #145

Do you have proof that unicorns DON'T exist? Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #110

Agnostic until proven otherwise seveneyes Jan 2015 #112

"The jury is out on the existence of unicorns." Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #113

And yet, I expect you don't consider the existence of unicorns to be equally likely Marr Jan 2015 #120

Actually, there may be more chance of unicorns than not seveneyes Jan 2015 #137

Yes, but the people who say there is a god are making a claim. Marr Jan 2015 #187

The problem with existence raises too many questions to rule out any missing answers seveneyes Jan 2015 #188

Okay, I get it. Neon Gods Jan 2015 #99

I don't think much one way or another. LWolf Jan 2015 #103

What should be said? What do they say to you? whatthehey Jan 2015 #105

The mocking I'm not even much on but the right to do so I am adamant about. TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #106

There's a Star Wars fan club that does charity work. Marr Jan 2015 #114

A total failsauce, 'drive by' thread by onenote, that almost everyone got a laugh out of? Rex Jan 2015 #116

Gee Rex. Sorry to disappoint. onenote Jan 2015 #219

Religion used for political gain is the problem. Kablooie Jan 2015 #117

Religion has harmed me, in some way, every day of my life, simply because Zorra Jan 2015 #121

So disingenuous. All these images are of Christianity after Voltaire and others who during snagglepuss Jan 2015 #124

I'm going to read the other responses and see if I can figure out the point. cheapdate Jan 2015 #128

I reserve my right to support/criticize ANY entity Heidi Jan 2015 #129

mocking specific beliefs and admiring individual believers isn't all that difficult fishwax Jan 2015 #133

Is there a point you're trying to make? notadmblnd Jan 2015 #136

I think they're nice pictures marym625 Jan 2015 #139

Captions: (Thank you, onenote) LiberalAndProud Jan 2015 #147

They make me roll my eyes a bit... Ino Jan 2015 #148

These pictures are of people who are free to believe and voice their opinions. HuckleB Jan 2015 #149

onenote, I see your consistent refusal to discuss the shit you hang on the wall as a lack of ethics Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #151

They're just pretending to keep voted or gain support. ileus Jan 2015 #167

The OP must worship a Straw Man. nt TeamPooka Jan 2015 #172

I don't have a problem with those pictures. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #204

Since I started it, here's my response onenote Jan 2015 #218

Whatever. bobclark86 Jan 2015 #220