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26. Two reasons

Reply to SammyWinstonJack (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:17 PM

Jan 2015

1. As others on this thread have noted, it's been much more effectively demonized than old-age benefits. Thanks to credulous reporting from This American Life and 60 Minutes, there's a widespread belief that it's riddled with fraud. Even though that is demonstrably not the case.

2. More importantly, it fits the "going broke" scare tactics much better. Contrary to popular belief, SS old-age benefits are absolutely solid through about 2033. SSDI, however, will spend down its trust within the next few years, absent a reallocation of funds between the SSDI and SS old-age trust funds. This adjustment has been made as a matter of course in the past. But the people who want to destroy Social Security altogether see this as the thin edge of the wedge. They can truthfully say, "SSDI is going broke!" They just fail to point out that it's an easy fix, with solid precedent.

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Why are republicans targeting SSDI benefits and not SS benefits too? [View all] SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 OP

Camel's nose under the tent. djean111 Jan 2015 #1

Don't you know? daleanime Jan 2015 #4

Qualify for or not, the recipient still paid into the trust fund and is entitled to collect. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #7

"Fair" is not going to be in play. They already know all of what you said, and they do not care. djean111 Jan 2015 #29

I'm not sure that everybody on SSDI paid in MiniMe Jan 2015 #100

If they have never worked, they would be on SSI- not SSDI. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #103

Thanks, I never really studied that much about it MiniMe Jan 2015 #115

No, someone who has not worked enough quarters cannot collect OASDI, only, if in need, SSI. merrily Jan 2015 #104

Two different pots of money yeoman6987 Jan 2015 #83

More wingnut bullshit. Money has been moved between funds in the past and the only reason ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89

"Simple as that," my ass. Please see Replies 101 and 108 and others on this thread. merrily Jan 2015 #105

Every one o' dem disabled Turbineguy Jan 2015 #2

Divide and conquer...... daleanime Jan 2015 #3

They go after the most vulnerable first 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #5

But they are outright stealing from one group that paid into the SS trust fund same as SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #9

Your SS benefits are determined by how long and at what level you paid in. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #17

Pretty sur that's SSI. SSDI you have to have worked a certain amount of time and have contributed. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #21

You have to have 40 work credits 20 of which have to be earned in the last ten yr SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #34

I'm looking at having my second knee replacement. Had the first at 45 and went back brewens Jan 2015 #56

I think in order to qualify for SSDI thucythucy Jan 2015 #41

+100 ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91

YES YOU DO. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #90

Untrue. Read the thread. merrily Jan 2015 #109

Umm, no. You have to have worked to qualify for SSDI. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #111

mea culpa. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #116

You are taxed more for SSI than SSDI Go Vols Jan 2015 #18

I was under the assumption that one had to work a certain amount of time in SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #23

That's SSDI--Social Security Disability Insurance. thucythucy Jan 2015 #43

SSI money comes from the general budget, not from FICA/social security taxes. DI = SSDI and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

SSI is not a social security program. SSDI is a social security program, as is OAS. merrily Jan 2015 #110

And, after they make Social Security a needs based program, like welfare, merrily Jan 2015 #108

But both parties are the same! Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #6

third way democratic leaders frequently argue for SS cuts. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #14

Hmm. Perhaps you are thinking of traditional Democrats, rather than New Democrats. merrily Jan 2015 #112

They are targeting SS. They feel that this will encourage a complete overhaul of the system. Hoyt Jan 2015 #8

Do you know how SS and SSDI are funded? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #10

Through payroll taxes. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #11

How does SSDI get finded? Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #13

FICA dpibel Jan 2015 #20

And with a vote in the Congress to move the funds to SSDI. Many of those Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #28

How many? dpibel Jan 2015 #33

You brought up a source which has not paid into FICA, dependent children who are disabled. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #42

Cool story, bro. thucythucy Jan 2015 #44

Good post. nt raccoon Jan 2015 #47

Nope, no bs, listen to some of the people whp appears on Judge Judy, plenty with Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #54

Judge Judy? Seriously? Judge Judy is your source on SSDI fraud? thucythucy Jan 2015 #58

I have provided several sources, yes I personally know of adults who have received funds from Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #61

You have not provided "several sources" thucythucy Jan 2015 #68

Go back and read the thread, they are there. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #86

Just as an experiment, try applying for OASDI or SSI and see how "easy" it is to collect. merrily Jan 2015 #102

BULLSHIT ND-Dem Jan 2015 #84

Since I told you earlier adults receive SSDI looks like I already was educated. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #93

That doesn't even make sense. But I'm glad to know you're not just misinformed, you're actively ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95

A minor recieving SSDI payments due to a parent recieving SSDI payments Packerowner740 Jan 2015 #97

Bad nerves? dpibel Jan 2015 #49

Don't apologize. thucythucy Jan 2015 #59

Oh, we have a Rand Paul quote. Sorry I spent so much time answering the guy. freshwest Jan 2015 #121

MORE BULLSHIT from the big bullshitter. You have to have worked, and quite some time, to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #81

That's a BALD FACED LIE. You have to have paid into Social Security to get SSDI. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #85

SSI is for those who never paid in, not SSDI. SSDI is based on money paid in while working. freshwest Jan 2015 #120

YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #94

SSDI is an easy target. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #12

How can they say that SSDI recipients are greedy takers when they funded their benefits? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #15

a. they will lie with absolutely no compunction. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #16

Then why are their benefits based on what they paid in? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #25

I think you're confusing SSDI with SSI. thucythucy Jan 2015 #45

no, ssi is for people who became disabled at any time but didn't, for whatever reason, pay enough ND-Dem Jan 2015 #72

You could be right. thucythucy Jan 2015 #74

I AM right. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #76

Thank you. thucythucy Jan 2015 #77

thanks for thanking me and sorry to be testy. i see so much BS on this, it's sometimes hard to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #78

I understand, and no need to apologize. thucythucy Jan 2015 #79

best to you too and to all of us. we're gonna need all the luck we can get. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #80

Children lose their benefits when they turn 18 Packerowner740 Jan 2015 #98

SSDI recipients MUST HAVE paid into the system. I don't know where purported democrats get ND-Dem Jan 2015 #73

Oh SSDI has been a target for a loooong time underpants Jan 2015 #32

The SSDI was funded into 2016. The fund is now going broke. It is funded from the SS fund. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #24

It doesn't get lower than that dpibel Jan 2015 #30

Instituntional fraud is not funded out of the SS fund. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #35

Orders of magnitude dpibel Jan 2015 #38

"When fraud is realized it should be reported." thucythucy Jan 2015 #46

Right now the subject is SSDI, getting it funded and for those funds to go to the right people Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #55

No, YOU brought up the topic of SSDI fraud, and now you're being called on it thucythucy Jan 2015 #60

right now the subject is why YOU are catapulting the propaganda all over these boards. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #75

She's reporting it to you!!! That's what wingnuts do. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #66

Does it mean veterans disability is on the table to cut? ...nt pbmus Jan 2015 #36

Yes. It does mean that. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #113

Why here's Ms. Wingnut talking points again!!! Got any more links from wingnut sites to spread ND-Dem Jan 2015 #65

We geezers always vote and they don't want to piss us off. Vinca Jan 2015 #19

Exactly.. sendero Jan 2015 #22

Two reasons dpibel Jan 2015 #26

Everyone knows someone fraudulently getting a disability even though it doc03 Jan 2015 #27

If you know someone "fraudulently getting a disability" thucythucy Jan 2015 #48

Make that two dpibel Jan 2015 #50

I don't know anyone fraudulently getting disability. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #67

Fraud rate is actually 0.4%. But good job catapulting the propaganda. jeff47 Jan 2015 #96

I could give plenty of examples and as far as percentage doc03 Jan 2015 #122

Well, you can care about the people who need it jeff47 Jan 2015 #123

I can't believe you don't know one freeloader, you must doc03 Jan 2015 #125

0.4%. That's why I don't know one freeloader. jeff47 Jan 2015 #128

I am scared, I bet any law enforcement officer knows some too. I will put them under citizens doc03 Jan 2015 #126

According to SS.gov one needs 40 work credits 20 of which earned in the last ten SammyWinstonJack Jan 2015 #31

It reminds me of this - LiberalElite Jan 2015 #37

The salami strategy. Basic LA Jan 2015 #39

SSDI is different from SS. SSDI is supposed to be for those who are disabled, perhaps did not Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #40

You keep repeating this, and it's been pointed out to you several times you're just plain wrong. thucythucy Jan 2015 #62

I'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed. she's all over these boards talking about all the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #70

BULLSHIT. You're full of wingnut bullshit. You don't even know what SSDI is, or are deliberately ND-Dem Jan 2015 #69

SSDI is part of OASDI, also known as SS. SSI, however, is a different program from SS merrily Jan 2015 #106

Are you confusing SSDI and SSI? (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #119

2 or 3 out of 100 are fraudulent, therefore lets stop all benefits and kill as many as we NoJusticeNoPeace Jan 2015 #51

It's actually less than that. thucythucy Jan 2015 #71

The overpayment rate, which isn't even necessarily fraud, is 1.4%. That would be less than 2/100, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

I keep seeing these Opening Posts on SSDI with no link to a news article... Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #52

First day of Congress rule change dpibel Jan 2015 #53

Be patient. GeorgeGist Jan 2015 #57

Skipping the sarcasm emote can be merrily Jan 2015 #107

Easy target Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #63

divide and conquer. they don't expect retirees to protest cuts to disabled benefits. whittle ND-Dem Jan 2015 #64

Divide and conquer is exactly what they are trying to do. liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #82

Yes. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #88

This began with the spreading the fear of SSDI recipients committing fraud for years now. herding cats Jan 2015 #99

One generation against another, one recipient group against another. merrily Jan 2015 #101

It IS "their" fredamae Jan 2015 #114

Divide and conquer. jwirr Jan 2015 #117

SSDI is running out of reserve funds madville Jan 2015 #118

The DI trust fund will be exhausted next year or early in '17. Yo_Mama Jan 2015 #124

Smaller group, so they figure they have a shot at it. napi21 Jan 2015 #127