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Augustus

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Sat Jan 17, 2015, 07:23 PM Jan 2015

The child abuse that is religion [View all]

Today, buildings were burned down and several people were murdered across the Muslim world as thousands of people took to the streets to protest the latest cover of a satirical magazine in France named Charlie Hebdo. Let us pretend for a moment that just over a week ago, the editors and cartoonists of this magazine did not suffer a horrendous mass murder committed upon them by Muslim extremists.

The people protesting today are protesting the publication of a magazine. Let us be clear about what they are not protesting.

They are not protesting the lashing of a blogger for the "crime" of blasphemy.

They are not protesting the stoning of women for the "crime" of adultery.

They are not protesting the beheading of men for the "crime" of homosexuality.

They are not protesting the mass murder of school children in Pakistan.

They are not protesting the mass murder of civilians in Nigeria.


While recent events (and arguably, the last few decades) have put the spotlight on Islam in particular, let us not for a moment pretend that other religions are immune to the kind of mass irrational hysteria and objective evils mentioned above.

Christianity had the crusades. Today, it is relegated to the suppression of women's rights and gay rights. And while there aren't (usually) people taking to the streets to commit murder on a massive scale, there is the occasional abortion clinic bombing and death of a gay teenager either by suicide or homicide.

The evils committed in the name of God usually only vary from religion to religion only by degree, not by the brutality of the evils themselves.

So this is the part where I'm told that religion is not actually the problem. No, the deniers will say: It's the powerful using religion as a weapon as a means to an end. There's nothing wrong with having spiritual beliefs, they'll say. Those beliefs are warped by the corrupt and it is they, the corrupt, who are responsible for the evils, not religion itself.

The deniers make this claim for one reason and one reason only: They are religious. They've never committed evil acts in the name of God, so how can it possibly be religion's fault for the evil acts of others? In addition, many of these religious people may not even agree with the atrocious tenets of their faith - such as homosexuality being a sin, or abortion being murder. Yet they're still part of the tribe. Can't speak out against your own tribe.

These people miss out on (or intentionally ignore) the law of large numbers: One person's probability of winning the lottery is slim. But if 100 million people play the lottery, there's likely to be a winner.

Are the 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet going to take up arms and murder 12 people for drawing a cartoon? No. But two of them did. A few hundred thousand of them took to the streets today to protest the very publication that just lost those 12 innocent people. Not the atrocity that occurred at those offices a little over a week ago, but the "atrocity" of that publication printing more of the cartoons that were the very excuse for their murders in the first place. If these thousands of religious people are not being corrupted by the powerful, they're certainly sympathetic to the evils committed in their God's name.

There are millions of Christian sympathisers to the words of Jerry Falwell, who said, and I quote: "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals, it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals." Examples abound, and I can literally fill an encyclopedia with them. Horrible, inexcusable, evil, disgusting, atrocious, hateful garbage coming out of the mouths of religious people, horrendous acts committed by religious people, sympathisers and deniers.

The contemptible atrocities committed in the name of God do not happen in a vacuum. Nobody is born with religion. Religion is taught. And it is here that I come to the subject line of this post. To believe in something without question and without evidence: That is the very definition of religion. And it is exactly this lack of critical thinking and reasoning that children possess.

The natural development of the human brain requires that children accept as fact whatever is told to them, without question. It is also a feature of the development of the human brain for children to react violently (eg. Throw temper tantrums) when they don't get something that at the moment they perceive to be the most important thing in the world. Maybe they want to play with some toy, maybe they want some kind of attention. Whatever it is, they don't have the rational capability to be reasoned with, and will cry, scream, and even hit people and things until they either get their way or exhaust themselves or move on to some other distraction.

Sound familiar?

Somewhere, during adolescence, the brain develops the ability to discern fact from fiction, to critically analyse and to question, to demand some kind of rationale, some kind of evidence, some kind of logic to any observation being made or any assertion being put forth. This is the usual course of human brain development, but for one area: A psychological trauma inflicted during the formative years of childhood is extremely hard to overcome.

Many do overcome, of course, but it is not easy. When you are systematically told, from the day you are born, day in and day out, that homosexuality is evil and that homosexuals will go to hell, the adolescent development is stunted. It is psychological abuse inflicted upon impressionable children that carries into adulthood. Consequently, we have thousands of grown adults throwing literal temper tantrums on the streets of Muslim cities today.

They were told, you see, that any depiction of the prophet Mohammed is blasphemy. They were told this virtually every single day from the day they were born. They were taught to pray to God, every single day, and have followed this ritual from the day that they were physically capable of doing so. It is no wonder that the publication of a magazine cover with a depiction of their prophet puts them in such fits of unadulterated rage.

But no rational human being will agree that their behavior is anything but. Let us repeat, lest we forget: They are not protesting atrocities committed on massive scales, they are not even protesting the very atrocity that happened a little over a week ago, but are protesting the "atrocity" of a printed cartoon.

The law of large numbers comes into play, and a certain small number of them will set fire to buildings. A smaller number will murder people. An even smaller number will commit future acts of terrorism. And, sadly, the smallest number of all will actually renounce their faith and overcome the psychological abuse they received as children.

It is the very publication of satirical magazines and non satirical works of criticism of religion that increase the numbers of people who do overcome. Without the Charlie Hebdo's of the world, the world continues merrily on with this trajectory of self destruction. I am well aware that many of the things I have said here will offend many people who have taken the time to read this.

If you are one of those people who are offended, I ask you to reflect on that very real emotion you are feeling and to question its source. You might just be one of the few who can overcome. Thank you.

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K & R malokvale77 Jan 2015 #1
Sorry, but Christianity is not now relegated to suppression of just gay and minority rights. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #2
This is why we need to ban religion. harrose Jan 2015 #3
Good luck with that shenmue Jan 2015 #4
Who said.. harrose Jan 2015 #7
Communism banned religion, did not work out too well for them. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #5
Of course.... harrose Jan 2015 #6
Where did that happen? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #22
seriously? dsc Jan 2015 #71
Neither the eastern block, China or PRNK banned religion Major Nikon Jan 2015 #72
you cannot ban religion, nor should you Skittles Jan 2015 #8
Apparently we disagree. harrose Jan 2015 #9
there is plenty wrong with wanting to "ban religion" Skittles Jan 2015 #12
That's fine.... harrose Jan 2015 #13
I agree that we'd be better off without out religion. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #30
On the contrary... harrose Jan 2015 #35
Banning religion makes martyrs out of extremists. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #38
The fact that banning something will make martyrs out of its adherents... harrose Jan 2015 #39
Banning it would make us the extremists. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #40
Again, I disagree... harrose Jan 2015 #52
The root of all evil on the planet is.....sleep. pangaia Jan 2015 #44
and sleepwalkers ND-Dem Jan 2015 #77
True. pangaia Jan 2015 #96
I agree that religion is the root of all evil. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #108
Yes cwydro Jan 2015 #55
What's your plan? rug Jan 2015 #16
this should be interesting Skittles Jan 2015 #18
If he doesn't have one, I trust you know what to do. rug Jan 2015 #19
I'm waiting for him to say the magic words "OUR PARTY" Skittles Jan 2015 #24
! rug Jan 2015 #25
I am utterly confused by the back and forth here... harrose Jan 2015 #36
If you want to discuss this seriously don't waste your time with that poster. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #41
it's not rug doing the baiting Skittles Jan 2015 #66
Admittedly, I don't have one. harrose Jan 2015 #26
Uh-oh. rug Jan 2015 #27
What uh-oh? harrose Jan 2015 #34
Great idea: ban religion. Dr. Strange Jan 2015 #46
Just because one person managed to use religion in a positive manner.... harrose Jan 2015 #47
just one? i don't think anyone's found that peaceful use for nuclear bombs yet though... ND-Dem Jan 2015 #78
You cannot (and should not) bvf Jan 2015 #48
The difference is.... harrose Jan 2015 #49
What value is there in KKK propaganda? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #51
No, I believe you missed my point. harrose Jan 2015 #53
Practicing religion is freedom of speech. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #56
Of Course it's protected by the Constitution... harrose Jan 2015 #59
In my opinion there is no value in racist literature. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #61
Again... harrose Jan 2015 #65
And religious literature? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #70
so you want to ban religion and keep free speech. well good luck with that. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #79
What value is there bvf Jan 2015 #60
I believe you missed my point. harrose Jan 2015 #62
No, your point is clear. bvf Jan 2015 #68
Religions do good things also treestar Jan 2015 #118
And when a few hundred million refuse to agree to your ethnic cleansing campaign, then what? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #54
Who said anything about ethnic cleansing? harrose Jan 2015 #57
Ethnic cleansing -- Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #63
As I said earlier... harrose Jan 2015 #67
oh, i'm sure there's smart people who can figure it out, if that's what you want. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #80
Religious people murder gay people daily. Few ever bother to mention this, but that's genocidal Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #97
And another war for peace will sort this out? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #98
Is that what I said? No. What I said the pogroms are already going on, the religious are not the Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #100
"I would never propose any limits to religion much less any elimination of it." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2015 #105
You have some very fascist ideas of how society should function. NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #104
That cannot be done without being as evil as treestar Jan 2015 #117
What, exactly, do you mean by ban? Marengo Jan 2015 #135
That's good stuff. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #10
You think they are not protesting the slaughter of their people by Western powers? malaise Jan 2015 #11
If that is what is inferred from the OP, then the extremists have already won. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #14
There is something vile about using children to make a political point. rug Jan 2015 #15
You must mean 'unless it is a religious person opposing LGBT marriage' because even the Pope Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #99
Actually, I must not. rug Jan 2015 #103
Your ability to use words are not in question notadmblnd Jan 2015 #110
And you are who? rug Jan 2015 #112
I don't let annonymous people on a discussion thread offend me notadmblnd Jan 2015 #115
"I'm just pointing our your hypocrisy" rug Jan 2015 #116
you have a good day now. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #120
You're the one who broght up "Christ-like behavior". rug Jan 2015 #124
Not Irony. To be Christian is to be Christ like, no? notadmblnd Jan 2015 #123
Oh? I thought you were leaving. rug Jan 2015 #125
Well hey, I decided to take your bait. notadmblnd Jan 2015 #127
You'll have to wait. I have to meet someone about an arraignment. rug Jan 2015 #128
that's right- Christians gave themselves an out notadmblnd Jan 2015 #132
Some religious people don't, so it's bigger than that treestar Jan 2015 #119
Bingo. Exactly. Brainbent from infancy seveneyes Jan 2015 #17
So, let me be clear. A child brougt up in religion is brainbent from infancy? Do I have that right? rug Jan 2015 #23
A child taught to defend its religion to the death will do so in most cases seveneyes Jan 2015 #28
What, do you think they're all Chucky? rug Jan 2015 #29
Some may be hormonal Chuckys seveneyes Jan 2015 #32
"hormonal Chuckys" dissentient Jan 2015 #37
Deflect much? bvf Jan 2015 #73
Let him have the last word. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #31
What cleanhippie said beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #33
The Pope says that gay people being parents is a form of discrimination against children. Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #102
You've got to be carefully taught notadmblnd Jan 2015 #111
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/10/AX069_2392_9.jpg blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #20
Powerful OP. Recommended. dissentient Jan 2015 #21
then lets look at the things americans aren't protesting. that would be the murders of millions ND-Dem Jan 2015 #81
A GREAT post. hifiguy Jan 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine1967 Jan 2015 #43
Jury results Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #45
LOVE juror #7! beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #50
Thank you. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #69
1-6 to LEAVE IT progressoid Jan 2015 #131
best OP I've read in a long while Ligyron Jan 2015 #58
Some protestors are also setting fire to churches oberliner Jan 2015 #64
The OP is psuedo-profundity with a false premise at it's core. kwassa Jan 2015 #74
Heh. bvf Jan 2015 #75
you don't know much about religious scholars or scholarship then. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #83
Well, bvf Jan 2015 #85
If this is what you learned from that, I don't think you have much of interest to add: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #86
l learned a lot, thanks, bvf Jan 2015 #90
LOL! beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #89
Mark Twain could have saved you some time, bvf. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #129
D'oh! bvf Jan 2015 #134
+100. pseudo-profundity indeed. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #82
Religion Augustus Jan 2015 #94
Thank you. whathehell Jan 2015 #101
I think many just protest that which threatens their personal faith. greyl Jan 2015 #76
Sylvia Plath wanted to become a Catholic and her mother laughed at her. ucrdem Jan 2015 #84
Score one bvf Jan 2015 #87
Yawn. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #88
Point out, exactly, where I said that Augustus Jan 2015 #95
You didn't. You'll have to excuse my jaundiced view of some things, around here. Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #133
K&R pathansen Jan 2015 #91
Kick and recommend F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #92
So many problems with this OP Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #93
Faith means accepting as true things for which there is no evidence oberliner Jan 2015 #109
I'll start by saying I'm a firm unwavering supporter of Secularism/"Laicité" à la française Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #113
Very good points oberliner Jan 2015 #114
Thank you Pooka Fey Jan 2015 #122
Great Post. Jawja Jan 2015 #106
What about insisting on "breaking a child's will"?? Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2015 #107
This is as true of religion as it is of certain ideologies. hunter Jan 2015 #126
Kick sarcasmo Jan 2015 #121
Bravo! marym625 Jan 2015 #130
I went to church and Sunday School every Sunday when I was a kid. Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #136
It's all about the degree Augustus Jan 2015 #139
I understand that a lot of denominations Blue_In_AK Jan 2015 #140
Do you hear yourself? Brigid Jan 2015 #137
Apparently your insomnia did get the better of you Augustus Jan 2015 #138
Wow. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #141
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