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9. I think that's an element of it
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:27 PM
Apr 2012

But the larger question of why the Sanford Police didn't do anything leads us back to the "Stand Your Ground" laws. Police officers, as much as we love them or hate them, are human beings. And when human beings get conflicting signals, they will most often take the path of least resistance.

What are the conflicting signals? Two different laws, one against murder and one that validates murder. My understanding of the "Stand Your Ground" law is that one component of it provides a civil remedy for anyone who invokes it as a defense against a wrongful accusation of murder. That is, if I shoot someone dead, the cops arrive, I say I was standing my ground, and the cops proceed as if I was your garden variety murderer, I could have a cause of action against the cops for money damages if the cops can't make out a murder rap against me.

So, the path of least resistance is that the cops can always go back and bring a murder charge against me if their investigation shows that I'm a dirty fibber as well as a killer, and I should be charged with some degree of homicide. But if they jump the gun (so to speak) on arresting me after I've invoked a stand your ground defense, they could be on the hook for having to pay me some money in a civil lawsuit.

Now, the Sanford Police might have screwed this case up anyway; but my take is that they were reluctant to press forward with charges that night once Zimmerman claimed he was standing his ground.

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When people say it's about race I say, NO it isn't - it's about PRIVILEGE. blm Apr 2012 #1
I hope you will consider crafting your argument here into an OP of its own, such coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #11
Thank you for noticing. Comprehension has been sorely missing from this debate. blm Apr 2012 #103
I was going to make a post making the same point Enrique Apr 2012 #2
Yup Lilyeye Apr 2012 #4
Exactly. Lilyeye Apr 2012 #3
Just saw an ad for Disney World Orlando libodem Apr 2012 #5
I totally agree with your OP. He would have been walking around free, and there is no doubt about teddy51 Apr 2012 #6
Emphatic K&R! Utterly shreds the fallacy of coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #7
Don't injest rationality in the conversation. vaberella Apr 2012 #8
"If Zimmerman was a Black man and Trayvon Martin was a White Kid....SYG would never come into play". teddy51 Apr 2012 #14
I think that's an element of it gratuitous Apr 2012 #9
I still think that it's the entire town of Sanford that is fucked up. There was a story teddy51 Apr 2012 #16
+1 robinlynne Apr 2012 #10
well, the Daniel Adkins shooting isn't gettting national attention, so maybe that is the key Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #12
Casey Anthony got legs because Nancy Grace became obsessed with it obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #13
the Owens case hasn't exploded yet. the TV news media decides on that n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #18
And Here Is Your Link For It, Fella, And A Sample Of Its Comments.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #15
I answered your post in the other thread and what do the comments by readers Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #19
And Yet That Is The Link You Posted, Sir, Rather Than A Clean One To A News Source The Magistrate Apr 2012 #22
yes, my reason. its the link I found. thats it my friend. If MSNBC or CNN or Yahoo Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #27
Wriggle Away, Sir: Local Media There Has Plenty Of Coverage On This, But You Linked This Cess-Pool The Magistrate Apr 2012 #32
Your link is to an OP that includes both the article AND this statement by the OP author: pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #42
Pretty sad, their comments in the blog are pathetic. Rex Apr 2012 #36
Haven't heard of that case prior. dkf Apr 2012 #66
What Figures, Ma'am? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #74
No one cares much about the case. dkf Apr 2012 #81
Why Do You Think That Is, Ma'am? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #83
They need to belong to a list of preapproved victims. dkf Apr 2012 #93
And The Approved And Unapproved, Ma'am, Would Be...? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #94
"If the guy was GLBT the place would be going nuts." What the FUCK is that supposed to mean? DevonRex Apr 2012 #97
Us vs Them Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #107
When I lack knowledge, I place the responsibility of that ignorance on me... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #102
Oh that is easy, most others have proper police procedure Rex Apr 2012 #21
I don't think that is the reason the story got so big at all n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #24
So What Do You Think Is The Reason, Fella? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #26
oh, I absolutely believe its the race thing. "White" man kills black and walks Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #28
And What Is It Makes That So Fascinating, Do You Think, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #34
I'd say its the dynamics of our society. and you? Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #47
What Do You Mean By 'The Dynamics Of Our Society, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #49
Thing is, we know that racism is rampant and things are JDPriestly Apr 2012 #68
He's 40. vaberella Apr 2012 #80
Different Case, Ma'am: This Is a Shooting In Pheonix The Magistrate Apr 2012 #84
Oh oh...thanks so much. I read up thread and realized my mistake. n/t vaberella Apr 2012 #101
That is fine, your opinion means as much as mine does Rex Apr 2012 #29
I know you're wrong. the public isn't enthralled with police procedures Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #31
Not true at all, this made national news when it was discovered Rex Apr 2012 #33
then I am expecting the SPD to be indicted at any moment for the cover up Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #37
The FBI is investigating the case. Rex Apr 2012 #39
oh, OK. its funny how I always see news about the bond hearing, the bloody head but not Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #44
Grace Under Pressure, Sir, Is Part Of the Work: You Are Getting Awfully Tetchy Here Now The Magistrate Apr 2012 #46
I agree 100%. H2O Man Apr 2012 #89
Then you haven't been paying attention and clueless. vaberella Apr 2012 #78
It was a number of weeks before the Trayvon Martin case got a lot of national attention. drm604 Apr 2012 #25
on another thread, I was asked if I could point to a single case where a white man was killed Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #40
But I was replying to your post in this thread. drm604 Apr 2012 #50
ahhhh, it is then quite odd that the focus is about what happened between Martin and Zimmerman Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #52
As I said, it's still early. drm604 Apr 2012 #54
and my guess is there will not be n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #55
So you're basing your whole argument on a guess. drm604 Apr 2012 #56
I am bringing it back to the OP, its my opinion Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #58
And The Lack Of National Coverage Of The Other, Sir, Owes To What --- In Your Opinion? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #59
it lacks a proper villain n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #64
And What Is Improper About Its Villain, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2012 #65
And you appeared to be basing that opinion drm604 Apr 2012 #62
Years ago, SNL ran H2O Man Apr 2012 #91
That Was A Helluva Shot, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #92
Learned it by H2O Man Apr 2012 #95
Spend Less Time In Racist Pits, Sir, And Try Actually Following The Coverage The Magistrate Apr 2012 #57
ahhh OK, maybe you can find an acceptable link to the Daniel Adkins murder Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #61
You Really Are Not Very Good At This, Fella The Magistrate Apr 2012 #63
That cesspool post includes a clean source link which could have been used here pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #67
And As You say, Sir, he Did Not, But Chose To Link To The Racist Source Instead The Magistrate Apr 2012 #69
Again, if neither person had been carrying a gun, neither the killer JDPriestly Apr 2012 #70
Indeed, Sir: Basing Public Policy On Private Fantasy Is Foolish The Magistrate Apr 2012 #72
Took Him Ten Seconds, Sir, To Find This Racist Fever-Swamp The Magistrate Apr 2012 #43
find another source, dude . you just don't like the story n/t Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #45
You Linked To Your Source, Fella: A Racist Cess-Pool --- That Took You 'Ten Seconds' To Find.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #48
Oh, I know. drm604 Apr 2012 #51
Knew You Knew What Was Up, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #53
did the police sweep the killing under the rug? fascisthunter Apr 2012 #73
The Poor, Down-Trodden White Man Theme, Sir, Seems Oddly Popular Here Nowadays.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #76
yeah... as a white male, it makes my skin crawl fascisthunter Apr 2012 #77
Or At Least, Sir, Bear Up Under 'The White Man's Burden' With Better Grace.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #85
hehe... you say it a lot better than I would fascisthunter Apr 2012 #86
I also liked his visual... Oilwellian Apr 2012 #96
I agree with the point you're making, but the case is Solomon Apr 2012 #17
ummmm... Zimmer man ain't white unless you consider mestizos white. Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #23
The only groups claiming Zimmerman was white are RWing groups Rex Apr 2012 #30
I don't watch Fox but I know MSNBC was saying he was white Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #35
NO they said his father was a white man. Rex Apr 2012 #38
yep, they say his father was white. and GZ too. Bacchus4.0 Apr 2012 #41
I can't wait until you get your pepperoni.n/t vaberella Apr 2012 #79
it's like a rich kid pretending to earn everything he was born with fascisthunter Apr 2012 #82
Agreed. vaberella Apr 2012 #87
ooops... edited: right below the post fascisthunter Apr 2012 #90
It is about the SPD trying to just push the corpse Rex Apr 2012 #20
I agree and have been making the same argument for weeks. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #60
It was the release of the 911 tapes Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #71
FALSE. This was blown up long before the 911 tapes came out. vaberella Apr 2012 #88
Most heard about it when the 911 tapes were released. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #98
That's also false. Why? Because people like Lawrence O'Donnell and Joe Scarborough.. vaberella Apr 2012 #100
It's all of the above and it is why it is being picked up by the media fascisthunter Apr 2012 #75
Exactly. SYG is supposed to be a COURTROOM defense Canuckistanian Apr 2012 #99
I beg to differ. toddwv Apr 2012 #104
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2012 #105
so the police should have arrested him hfojvt Apr 2012 #106
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