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politicman

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76. Hmmmmm.......

Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:12 AM

Jan 2015

WOW, so just self-identifying as something automatically makes you that thing that you say you are?
Hmm, there is no litmus test that one has to pass before they really are what they say they are?

Great, so if I start self-identifying myself as a doctor and call myself a doctor, everyone will take me at my word that I am a doctor and I will be allowed to practice medicine?
If I start identifying myself as an atheist and go out and commit horrible acts, then you will associate my horrible acts with the fact that I don't believe in religion?

See, just because some says they are something, just because some people accept they are something, does not automatically make the person representative of an entire religion or profession.

Take Islam for an example.
The self-described extremist Muslims kill innocents because they believe that their religion permits it..
Then self-described moderate Muslims won't even accept that the extremists are real Muslims because they believe that Islam outlaws killing innocents.

So the question becomes which one of these groups is really adhering to Islam so that we can attribute their actions to the religion they follow? Is it the extremists that argue that killing is allowed, or is it the moderates that argue that killiing is not allowed?

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Pat Robertson Would Be Gone Tomorrow If Christians Would Just... [View all] lame54 Jan 2015 OP

Bush packed the government with people who may still be there and we ask why all the applications jwirr Jan 2015 #1

Even interdenominational Christians I know think that he is an idiot. Initech Jan 2015 #2

there's reason to wonder. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #3

people like my grandmother corkhead Jan 2015 #5

If words are weapons, then can't words be weaponized, making hate speech a form of terrorism? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #4

And yet the OP is saying someone should be 'gone' for espousing religious views Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #6

Pat robertson should be gone for his crimes against humanity and his thieving, not for ND-Dem Jan 2015 #7

His buttery words and a private media empire were the weapons he used to get his riches, riding the Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9

another guy who was born on third base, too. I actually suspect he's some kind of ND-Dem Jan 2015 #15

I do not take the same meaning from the OP that Robertson "would be gone tomorrow". From Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8

not what I meant at all... lame54 Jan 2015 #14

I don't think it's only 'christians' financing him. I suspect robertson is financed by ND-Dem Jan 2015 #16

because of his following that will vote the way he wants lame54 Jan 2015 #18

the way his funders want, you mean. robertson is the cats paw of other interests. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #22

Yep. Same thing with that homophobic AZ pastor - he stands up there to closeupready Jan 2015 #10

K&R.... daleanime Jan 2015 #11

they can't turn the channel.... TimeToEvolve Jan 2015 #12

I always like it when the Christians deny their spokes persons ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #13

but jeffrey dahmer was. an atheist, i mean. was he 'one of yours'? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #17

didn't we kill him for the horrible things he did... lame54 Jan 2015 #20

but doesn't he represent the atheist position? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #21

If you think that go right ahead it is you right to be wrong JD never held ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #23

pat robertson is a 1%er and a political operative. he plays a minister on tv, like reagan ND-Dem Jan 2015 #27

Pat is an Ordained Christian Minister and Christian Spokesperson ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #36

he's a political operative. just cause he got a card saying he's a minister doesn't mean ND-Dem Jan 2015 #38

What is the "atheist position"? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #29

jeff dahmers position. obviously. stalin was an atheist too. as was pol pot. are you starting to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30

What position? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #31

oh, can't take a joke? don't get the humor? i thought you guys were all about mockery ND-Dem Jan 2015 #33

What are you on about? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #35

"Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they represent all atheists." oh really? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #37

Who said otherwise? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #43

The state did not kill him he was killed in prison by other inmates. ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #25

that's right... lame54 Jan 2015 #57

I actually don't believe that: I think Robertson is a political operative Wella Jan 2015 #19

So you deny Pat is a Christian and is a leader, spokesperson, and ordained minister ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #24

are political operatives leaders of the faith? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #26

Some political operatives are leaders of thier faith too ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #34

or maybe they don't have any faith and they're just operatives. robertson was the son of ND-Dem Jan 2015 #39

Pat Robertson is an fucking ordained christian minister deny it all you want but it wont ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #41

he's also the son of a powerful politician who's been in politics and a political operative all ND-Dem Jan 2015 #42

Sigh, you just dont get it. I am done with you ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #46

be done with me then, i couldn't care. cause it's you who just doesn't get it, and my ND-Dem Jan 2015 #47

Don't waste your time on that one. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #48

Well the poster is easily proving that religion makes one less reality based ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #49

*snort* beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #51

I did thanks for the tip! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #55

Don't mention it. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #56

Some Democrats think they are better than others and try to disown our bad ones Wella Jan 2015 #64

That's nice. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #65

That's true: and it gives the proper analogy Wella Jan 2015 #67

I'm not defined by other atheists. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #69

And I'm not defined by other Christians. Wella Jan 2015 #70

Bully for you. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #71

The point's been made. Wella Jan 2015 #73

No, it hasn't. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #75

George Wallace was typical of the Democrats back in his day, why deny the truth? ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #83

Hmmmmm....... politicman Jan 2015 #76

Fun with logical fallacies. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #77

you said the following: politicman Jan 2015 #78

Yes, indeed I did. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #79

Ill example one more time... politicman Jan 2015 #80

The logical fallacies weren't written by me, I just use them to make my points. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #81

we sort of agree. politicman Jan 2015 #82

I don't think that you can label people whatever you want. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #84

Where did this come from? Wella Jan 2015 #66

I dunno, maybe people are sick of christians claiming their bad guys are really atheists? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #68

We are all sinners, my dear, but if you are truly living by Christian precepts, Wella Jan 2015 #72

Except you don't get to redefine christianity in order to exclude bad people. beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #74

And I'm not a "sinner". beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #85

I have been appalled since the Bush Jr. administration over the quality of the hires in DOJ. Shrike47 Jan 2015 #28

i remember reading he was hiring people out of some christian law school run by someone ND-Dem Jan 2015 #32

Regent University is an malaise Jan 2015 #40

'Schools' like Regents or BJU or Liberty U are nothing more then radical Christian Madrasas ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #44

Precisely malaise Jan 2015 #50

that's the one! and it IS pat robertson's university!!! or rather, he founded it. and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #45

"Robertson got into religion to take the territory from actually religious people" beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #52

I know that there's political operatives in religion, because i've met some of them, and they're ND-Dem Jan 2015 #53

So you can read minds? beam me up scottie Jan 2015 #54

I've met some. They're political operatives. Think what you like, the only reason they ND-Dem Jan 2015 #60

Regent and Liberty malaise Jan 2015 #58

And may all their friends wind up in the same place. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #59

Gonzo et al should have been there for malaise Jan 2015 #62

A la carte cable TV is needed. NT Trillo Jan 2015 #61

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