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Showing Original Post only (View all)Hillary Clinton is too old to run for President. There, I said it. [View all]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_agehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton
October 26th, 1947 - January 20th, 2017 = 69 years, 86 days
2 presidents started after 66th birthday, one died two months in and the other served his second term while suffering from Alzheimers.
Today, class, lets review past presidential election results and see if that review can shed any light on where the Democratic Party should look when picking its candidate for the 2016 election. My conclusion points to Elizabeth Warren over Hillary Clinton, though there may be a better choice yet somewhere waiting in the wings.
1. In past elections, Democrats have done better (won by a greater percentage of popular vote) when the candidate delineates clear differences from the Republican candidate.
Starting with Cleveland in 1892, we see he actually received fewer votes than his two major opponents, Harrison (R) and Weaver (Populist).
This after essentially tying with Harrison in 1988 and with Blaine in 1984.
The next Democratic Party president, Woodrow Wilson in 1912, was able to beat his main rival, T. Roosevelt, running as a Progressive, with fewer voters than those supporting Roosevelt and Taft (R) combined.
This pattern of the Democrats winning only because the opponents split their votes, benefited Truman and Clinton, who never won the majority of the votes but secured the presidency thanks to Ross Perots independent run in both 1992 and 1996.
FDR, positioning himself as significantly populist and different from the Republicans, won every election with more than 6% advantage. (1932 = 18.32%, 1936 = 24.92%, 1940 = 10%, and 1944 = 7.32%).
Kennedy barely won while LBJ, presenting himself as significantly different than Goldwater and benefiting from a Right Wing take over of the Republicans won with a 22.69% difference.
I hate to mention the Gore/Bush 2000 election other than to point out the cries at the time of no difference between the candidates which resulted in a strong showing for the 3rd party Nader. Not to mention the backlash to Clintons escapades and the resulting loss of his campaigning support for Gore during the election.
Obamas 2008 victory by 7.38% was the biggest margin since FDRs in 1940. The 3.9% margin in 2012 was larger than Carters 2.1% even as Carter gained some evangelical votes.
In 2016, the Democrats will do better with a candidate that shows significant differences between his/her policies and the rivals. Clinton, as a female candidate will appear significantly different on that count, but her silence on wall street issues, support of military intervention in foreign affairs, support of free trade and perceived membership with the Powers that Be puts her at a disadvantage concerning differentiation compared to Elisabeth Warren.
2. Clinton will suffer greatly in the campaign because of her age. She would be second only to Ronald Reagan in age at inauguration having turned 69 in October of 2016. Reagan, by all accounts, served his entire second term with an advancing case of Alzheimers disease. The other President inaugurated after an age of 66, Harrison, died less than 2 months into his first term. A review of the other 20th century presidents that started at an age over 60 is very short and yields Truman, Eisenhower, Ford and Bush. I think you will find the press very unkindly covering all of these mens health issues throughout their terms. Im not making any claims as to Hillarys health, but I can sort statistics as well as any insurance actuarial when it comes to human aging metrics.
Every misspoken utterance, stutter and hesitation will be questioned by the press, bringing questions to the publics mind. That is, assuming anyone who hasnt already decided thinks they might actually bother to show up and vote between say JEB Bush and Hillary. Im just two months older than Hillary and I can tell you Im thinking a lot more about retiring than taking on anything new. The prospect of a presidential run has got to be weighing heavy on Hillary right now and I wouldnt be surprised if she cant complete the bid if she actually chooses to make an attempt.
Elisabeth Warren carries little negative baggage with her into 2016. As a female she starts with the same distinction Hillary would benefit from, bringing people out to vote as they wont want to miss out on voting for the first female president. Warrens lack of history and past record that the press will cling onto in Clintons case is a plus and her strong support of Wall Street reform sets her apart from every other contender save Sanders. Warren is smart to claim no status in the 2016 run, but she will the first people turn to when they see Hillary falter. Other than the usual Hillary supporters, of which I should be counted as a class of 1992, when the polls start showing Bush ahead, primary voters will be searching for an alternative. Warren, Moveon.org and others like me will be ready and waiting.
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Perhaps, but the type of work that Hillary has done is not as physically taxing as others have done.
Major Hogwash
Jan 2015
#146
Mittens is 67 and yet somehow the chattering class never seems to paint him as too old.
Snarkoleptic
Jan 2015
#32
My neighbor is a Mormon and eats more ice cream than anyone I've ever known.
Snarkoleptic
Jan 2015
#112
I'm currently residing in Lake in the Hills and drive through your town 2-3 times per week.
Snarkoleptic
Jan 2015
#159
Not necessarily....My uncle was a Seventh Day Adventist Vegetarian for life...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2015
#127
Romney-67,John McCain-71,Ronald Reagan-74,Nancy Pelosi-74,Harry Reid-75,Barbara Boxer-75
pathansen
Jan 2015
#81
Plus, she's a woman, and we all know women are too emotional to be president
NoJusticeNoPeace
Jan 2015
#3
Yeh. Though many here deny it, this place is much more difficult to deal with than 10 years ago
HERVEPA
Jan 2015
#103
lol, sense of humor when it comes to Hillary? That's not allowed here. You're kiddin, right?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2015
#153
Elizabeth Warren, born 6/22/49, would turn 68 a few months after the inauguration.
Demit
Jan 2015
#7
Yeah funny how that happens every time republicans run and are gonna lose, like in 2014
Autumn
Jan 2015
#31
Seriously? Senator Warren is *one and half yrs younger than Hillary, so if age is an issue with you,
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#10
People age differently. Warren gives a better impression of vibrancy than Clinton.
randome
Jan 2015
#17
It's true that people age differently, but if Hillary is considered to be "too old" to run for the
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#28
I can understand saying that Hillary is too old because she ACTS old. Warren doesn't.
randome
Jan 2015
#33
That's not what the OP is saying. The OP is making the case that Hillary is too old TO RUN.
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#38
Brown was not such a weak opponent until he blew his own best asset - being seen as a nice person
karynnj
Jan 2015
#156
Brown was made strong by corporate Media, true, but Ms. Warren didn't become strong until this vid:
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2015
#157
Since there is so much about age, Hillary is one year and 8 months older than Warren,
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#52
I just met a 93 year old woman yesterday who could run rings around most posters here.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2015
#22
If Jimmy Carter declared this week, I would quit my job and work for him next week. nt
onehandle
Jan 2015
#39
Imagine a puke POTUS & puke majorities in the house and senate. The oligarchy take over is complete.
L0oniX
Jan 2015
#59
Please remind me about when Hillary spoke about the game being rigged, 'cause I forgot.
Scuba
Jan 2015
#75
Don't know what you are talking about so I will not be able to remind you.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#90
On the chart at the end of the issues both Hillary and Warren are rated the same, both rate liberal.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#96
She is NOT too old. Her ideas are, but she could handle the physcial demands just fine. n/t
jtuck004
Jan 2015
#53
Both Clinton and Warren have the advantage of great wealth that bought them the best health-
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2015
#92
Okay then...we've eliminated Clinton (68), Warren (66) and Sanders (74). Who else have you got?
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#109
If you look closely at her face you realize she is about the age oF Hillary.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2015
#135
oh, bull. there are plenty of reasons why Clinton shouldn't be President but age is not one of them.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2015
#140
Mitt is several months older than Clinton. I have yet to see his age being brought up.
DEMTough
Jan 2015
#141
Advocating age discrimination especially on a progressive website is appalling
Samantha
Jan 2015
#145