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42. January 15, 2015: "Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs"
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.gmwatch.org/index.php/news/archive/2015-articles/15881-tyrone-hayes-on-crooked-science-and-why-we-should-shun-gmos

Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs
Scientist who exposed the dangers of atrazine explains how scientists get corrupted and how the GMO industry is really the agrochemicals industry

17 January 2015



This interview with Tyrone Hayes, the scientist who exposed the dangers of Syngenta’s pesticide atrazine, is worth reading in full. He covers GMOs at the end.

http://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-agriculture/tyrone-hayes-misfortune-frogs-crooked-science-and-why-we-should-shun-gmos.html

Tyrone Hayes on the misfortune of frogs, crooked science and why we should shun GMOs

Melissa Breyer (@MelissaBreyer)
Science / Sustainable Agriculture
January 15, 2015


The life and work of biologist Dr. Tyrone B. Hayes, PhD, reads like the script of a Hollywood blockbuster: Scientist whistleblower takes on global agribusiness responsible for environmental havoc; a web of lies, corporate shenanigans, and mystery ensues. So it’s somehow fitting that Oscar-winning director Jonathan Demme took on Hayes’ story for a segment in the Amazon Original TV series pilot, "The New Yorker Presents."

Co-produced by Jigsaw Productions and Conde Nast Entertainment, "The New Yorker Presents" is a nifty collection of vignettes in which pieces from the The New Yorker magazine – from fiction to poetry to non-fiction and beyond – have been recast as short films. In the segment on Hayes, Demme brings to life Rachel Aviv’s article about the biologist. Aviv's story becomes Demme's launching point into the investigation of the curious case of frogs changing genders and other deleterious effects of the herbicide atrazine on our ecosystem – told through the lens of Hayes’ life story and his enduring crusade to educate people about the dangers of this widely-used chemical.

We had the good fortune to talk to Hayes, here’s how it played out:

TreeHugger: (Sparing you the warm-up chitchat and cutting straight to the chase here.) So first of all, can you tell us about what led you to a career in amphibians and biology in general?

Tyrone Hayes: I was born and raised in South Carolina; I lived there until I was 18 years old. My interest in amphibians and the environment and in biology has been with me since I was a young child. I spent a lot of time in the swamps in South Carolina, both in and around my neighborhood and my grandmother’s house, but also in what’s now Congaree Swamp.

After South Carolina I moved to Harvard. I was a biology major there and I continued working with amphibians as an undergraduate and did my thesis on environmental regulation and effects on development and growth in amphibians. After graduating Harvard I came to Berkeley in 1989 for my PhD, where I again studied the role of environment and effects on amphibians and the role of hormones in development. Shortly after obtaining my PhD, I started a professorship at Berkeley where I continued to study amphibians and branched out into studying environmental chemical contaminants that interfere with hormones. At that stage I was hired by Syngenta to study atrazine and that's what the film is about.

TH: It seems kind of crazy that Syngenta sought you out; an expert in the field for a product that clearly had problems. Were the findings a surprise to them? Did they know what they had on their hands or was it a coincidence that they happened to come to you?

HAYES: No. They knew what the compounds did and I think that by hiring scientists ahead of any independent group or any government agency, they then had control over the data and how the data would be presented – or`whether the data got presented at all – and how much of the data got to the EPA. Individuals within the organization certainly knew about atrazine’s endocrine disrupting properties, from conversations that I had when we started the work. I think the goal was to be in control of the finances and the research and the data.

I don’t think it was a surprise at all. If you read some of their own handwritten documents that have been released, there are other chemicals in their arsenal, so to speak, that they know have environmental health and public health problems. They know that as the compounds are being released. So, for example, they replaced atrazine with a chemical in Europe [the European Union announced a ban of atrazine in 2003 because of ubiquitous and unpreventable water contamination] called terbuthylazine. And in the same year that terbuthylazine became available in Europe you see in their handwritten notes that it's more active than atrazine, it causes the same problems as atrazine; it causes testicular cancer and a number of other similar problems that may be associated with atrazine.

TH: It’s remarkable not only that they would seem to lack concern about the environmental and health effects, but also the hubris of fearlessly bringing these chemicals to the attention of enlightened researchers. Is this typical?

HAYES: I think what they do, in my experience, is they prey on young scientists. I was an up-and-coming scientist at the time, a brand new assistant professor and I didn't have tenure. What they can offer, especially in this funding climate, is a significant amount of funding to a young scientist and the promise of funding for life. They have control over that science and control over the career of a scientist, but the scientist will still have their own independent reputation. So for example, if I worked my way up through the ranks at Berkeley with their funding I would be free to really do any kind of science I want, and at the same time they'd have control over the science I was producing relative to their product.

So it's not much of a surprise with a chemical like atrazine that eventually a lot of people started to study it, but as long as they had control, they had some control on how it was regulated and what information became available.

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TH: So you’ve obviously distanced yourself from the company, but how was it when you were actually working for them?

HAYES: At first it was a little bit strange, I was a brand new assistant professor, I had never really been hired as a consultant and I didn't know how it worked or what it meant and I treated it just like I would any other academic pursuit. I assumed they really wanted the information. We did literature reviews, we wrote papers, some of the scientists there seemed respectable. But some of the other scientists seemed like they were really out to say whatever the company wanted them to say for money … I heard people use the term "biostitutes." I watched scientists who knew better – who I know knew better – say “oh yeah this is safe, oh yeah this doesn’t mean anything” or perform experiments very poorly on purpose, or so it seemed to me.

It really became clear that some of these guys would just do poor experiments over and over again to get the results that the company wanted and then continue to be paid. So I started to become skeptical about whether or not I wanted my name associated, and worried about my reputation. Then when they actually started to bury data and manipulate my data and play these kinds of games, then I knew it was not a situation that I wanted to be involved in. I've said before, I could have stayed home and been a drug dealer or a pimp, I didn't need to get a PhD to do that kind of work!

I realized I've got a conscience and a sense of ethics that just won't allow me to operate that way. In a more practical way, I went to Harvard on scholarship. So somebody paid for me to go to school, and now I can't turn around and take money to do something like that.

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/02/10/a-valuable-reputation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024479039

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Believe it or not there's a group opposing a ban Major Nikon Jan 2015 #39
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Makes you wonder where they are hiding all the bodies Major Nikon Jan 2015 #50
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... Major Nikon Jan 2015 #61
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So you never eat fruit, huh? jeff47 Jan 2015 #24
Thanks for that, I will wash the fruit more thoroughly. You have been very helpful. djean111 Jan 2015 #40
"It's had a gene inserted that causes it to produce vitamin A, a common malnutrition problem" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #13
Yes, let's invade and bring them civilization. How'd that work last time? jeff47 Jan 2015 #23
of course we do. We're one of the reasons some people in other countries don't eat a varied diet. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29
Golden rice breeds with itself. You only need to give it to them once. jeff47 Jan 2015 #34
ironic. stop doing shit like this: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #51
That's using force, and didn't get anyone out of poverty jeff47 Jan 2015 #58
You must have missed my point: it's a major part of why they're *in* poverty. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #62
No, I understand your point. You're dodging the question. jeff47 Jan 2015 #63
Quit raping them. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68
And that eliminates poverty by............? jeff47 Jan 2015 #73
here. i wrote this for your codiscussant, but it will do for you too. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #69
No, you said we shouldn't have made things worse in the past. jeff47 Jan 2015 #74
Did you miss the part about how Golden Rice wasn't developed by any corporation? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #66
First, I never claimed it was "developed by a corporation". I said "the corporate solution is..." ND-Dem Jan 2015 #67
So since Bill Gates funds Golden Rice research, he must want to make money off the 3rd world Major Nikon Jan 2015 #70
out of all that, you pulled out gates? There's a web of interests involved, and not charging ND-Dem Jan 2015 #71
Believe it or not you can send them a check and your name will be added to the list Major Nikon Jan 2015 #76
if i send them a very BIG check, sure. but i'm not a 1%er, so i can't. wouldn't want to anyway. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #77
You claimed it was a "corporate solution" which is an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Jan 2015 #79
I already responded to you about the "corporate solution". The technology is donated just ND-Dem Jan 2015 #80
I'm not convinced ending world poverty is a "faster" and "cheaper" option Major Nikon Jan 2015 #81
By faster and cheaper options, i'm referring to the use of fortified oils, fortified sugar, and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #83
All of those options are far more expensive, and it's not even close Major Nikon Jan 2015 #85
1) I said nothing about how much rice you'd have to eat to get some effect. I noted, however, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #86
Oh & PS: Bjorn Lomborg is a *political* scientist, not a science scientist. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92
Sure, everyone who disagrees with Greenpeace is a "shill for business interests" Major Nikon Jan 2015 #94
Not sourcing it was my oversight. my apologies. Lombord is still a political scientist, not an ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95
"well known" by whom? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #96
'The Black Swan' author Nassim Nicholas Taleb & team prove risks of GMOs are severely underestimated proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #48
I can write a book saying anything I like. jeff47 Jan 2015 #60
Certainly they proved it to themselves Major Nikon Jan 2015 #64
Practically no farmer has ever grown any foodstuff for any reason except profit. goldent Jan 2015 #10
I'm fairly sure that most people who answered the poll were thinking of GMOs. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14
Well the people want labels on food w/DNA in it obviously... (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #16
If people are scientifically illiterate enough to confuse DNA with GMO NuclearDem Jan 2015 #21
Yes, let the 'smart' people tell them what to do. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30
Sorry, science isn't democratic. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #37
Fucking science. Always telling us what is instead of what we want to be. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #41
so what? are you recommending we replace what's left of democracy with the dictat of the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #53
No, I'm saying people don't get to vote on what reality is and isn't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #54
a lot of those same people don't know much about vitamins and minerals either, but we have food ND-Dem Jan 2015 #56
As opposed to giving equal weight to informed and uninformed opinion? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #97
so said those who took the vote from blacks in the south. "They're too stupid and uniformed to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98
January 15, 2015: "Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #42
Tyrone Hayes + Penelope Jagessar Chaffer: "The Toxic Baby" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #44
+1000. Thanks for posting this! nt adirondacker Jan 2015 #55
Oh no, he can't be a scientist. He disagrees with the prevailing "wisdom" and all the "scientists" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #57
they should label stuff that doesn't contain DNA, like Hot Pockets foo_bar Jan 2015 #2
I swear you can actually hear hifiguy Jan 2015 #3
Link to the study jeff47 Jan 2015 #6
hell, people in this country, if polled, ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #8
Not if you called it water. But of course, if the intent is to "prove" that most people are stupid, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87
that is what was done in the article... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #88
i don't know many 8 year olds who know what dihydrogen monoxide is. I'd guess we live in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89
once considered science... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #90
what i feel sorry for is people who'd have the public believe that questions of public policy are ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91
Sorry. You lost me... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #99
ok. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100
I have only one thing to show AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #11
Wow, that is really disturbing. Avalux Jan 2015 #15
"don’t realize that it is contained in almost all food" Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #17
salt Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #18
OK, you got me. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #19
I live for the Curmudgeoness 'gotcha'! Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #20
koolaid ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31
I think that I will end up being grossed out Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #38
Water Major Nikon Jan 2015 #65
You can stop now. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #75
Pedantic mode on!! jeff47 Jan 2015 #82
True, but if you want to get into ppb, you can say that about practically everything Major Nikon Jan 2015 #84
Clumsily phrased but I think folks want to know if their pears are spliced with spiders TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #22
Because "this contains GMOs" doesn't actually tell you much. jeff47 Jan 2015 #33
It already was long before GMO ever came around Major Nikon Jan 2015 #78
I'm sure a roach and a banana have common marker too but it doesn't follow that I want TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #102
Actually given your 'logic' it does follow Major Nikon Jan 2015 #103
How many would support labeling posts by Monsanto shills? DLnyc Jan 2015 #25
I think they label themselves. ret5hd Jan 2015 #36
Speaking of Monsanto shills... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #101
I think it is time to start producing our own produce and farm products Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #26
they link to the source and the source makes no mention of the DNA question GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #28
Gee, could it be a lie? Perish the thought. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #32
Try reading page 4. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #35
Yes, it does Recursion Jan 2015 #47
30% of the US still supports GWB Ramses Jan 2015 #43
Ban hydric acid! (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #46
Reminds me of the prank that pops up every now and then Revanchist Jan 2015 #49
Can we label the people who supported this? DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #52
Labels are needed more than ever polynomial Jan 2015 #93
Good point Major Nikon Jan 2015 #104
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