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jeff47

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60. I can write a book saying anything I like.

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 01:30 AM

Jan 2015

Doesn't make it accurate. And the more danger I predict, the more copies of my books I'll sell.

You'll note they spend a very, very, very, very, very long time talking about kinds of risks, but spend almost no time talking about what the actual risk is. It's kinda a 'tell'.

They claim the risk is due to 1) monocultures and 2) unknown protein interactions.

1) already happens with existing crops. That's why the Irish potato famine happened, for fuck's sake. To pretend this is new with GMOs is utterly and completely wrong. But it sounds scary.

2) Proteins are converted into amino acids very efficiently by digestion. We don't absorb proteins, we absorb amino acids. So how does the protein get into our bloodstream intact? They don't quite get around to saying....

Also, unknown protein interactions would fail their "can't be done by natural selection" test. Nightshade vs. Tomato, for example.

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Over 80 percent of Americans support "mandatory labels on foods containing DNA" [View all] alp227 Jan 2015 OP

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that this is seen as a great reason to not label djean111 Jan 2015 #1

Hydronium Hydroxide is sometimes added to processed foods Major Nikon Jan 2015 #4

It routinely causes asphyxiation jberryhill Jan 2015 #27

Believe it or not there's a group opposing a ban Major Nikon Jan 2015 #39

More here on the general issue of safety of food additives. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #45

Makes you wonder where they are hiding all the bodies Major Nikon Jan 2015 #50

Obviously not all illnesses are either acute or fatal + chronic diseases are exploding in the US. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #59

... Major Nikon Jan 2015 #61

www.FoodDemocracyNow.org:"Dan Quayle & Michael Taylor's Nightmare Lives On - 20 years of GMO Policy" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #72

Which GMOs? jeff47 Jan 2015 #5

If the choices you are advocating are either NO GMO labeling or SOME GMO labeling, djean111 Jan 2015 #7

You do buy things with corn products in it. jeff47 Jan 2015 #9

Actually no, I do not. djean111 Jan 2015 #12

So you never eat fruit, huh? jeff47 Jan 2015 #24

Thanks for that, I will wash the fruit more thoroughly. You have been very helpful. djean111 Jan 2015 #40

"It's had a gene inserted that causes it to produce vitamin A, a common malnutrition problem" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #13

Yes, let's invade and bring them civilization. How'd that work last time? jeff47 Jan 2015 #23

of course we do. We're one of the reasons some people in other countries don't eat a varied diet. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29

Golden rice breeds with itself. You only need to give it to them once. jeff47 Jan 2015 #34

ironic. stop doing shit like this: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #51

That's using force, and didn't get anyone out of poverty jeff47 Jan 2015 #58

You must have missed my point: it's a major part of why they're *in* poverty. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #62

No, I understand your point. You're dodging the question. jeff47 Jan 2015 #63

Quit raping them. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68

And that eliminates poverty by............? jeff47 Jan 2015 #73

here. i wrote this for your codiscussant, but it will do for you too. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #69

No, you said we shouldn't have made things worse in the past. jeff47 Jan 2015 #74

Did you miss the part about how Golden Rice wasn't developed by any corporation? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #66

First, I never claimed it was "developed by a corporation". I said "the corporate solution is..." ND-Dem Jan 2015 #67

So since Bill Gates funds Golden Rice research, he must want to make money off the 3rd world Major Nikon Jan 2015 #70

out of all that, you pulled out gates? There's a web of interests involved, and not charging ND-Dem Jan 2015 #71

Believe it or not you can send them a check and your name will be added to the list Major Nikon Jan 2015 #76

if i send them a very BIG check, sure. but i'm not a 1%er, so i can't. wouldn't want to anyway. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #77

You claimed it was a "corporate solution" which is an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Jan 2015 #79

I already responded to you about the "corporate solution". The technology is donated just ND-Dem Jan 2015 #80

I'm not convinced ending world poverty is a "faster" and "cheaper" option Major Nikon Jan 2015 #81

By faster and cheaper options, i'm referring to the use of fortified oils, fortified sugar, and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #83

All of those options are far more expensive, and it's not even close Major Nikon Jan 2015 #85

1) I said nothing about how much rice you'd have to eat to get some effect. I noted, however, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #86

Oh & PS: Bjorn Lomborg is a *political* scientist, not a science scientist. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

Sure, everyone who disagrees with Greenpeace is a "shill for business interests" Major Nikon Jan 2015 #94

Not sourcing it was my oversight. my apologies. Lombord is still a political scientist, not an ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95

"well known" by whom? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #96

'The Black Swan' author Nassim Nicholas Taleb & team prove risks of GMOs are severely underestimated proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #48

I can write a book saying anything I like. jeff47 Jan 2015 #60

Certainly they proved it to themselves Major Nikon Jan 2015 #64

Practically no farmer has ever grown any foodstuff for any reason except profit. goldent Jan 2015 #10

I'm fairly sure that most people who answered the poll were thinking of GMOs. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14

Well the people want labels on food w/DNA in it obviously... (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #16

If people are scientifically illiterate enough to confuse DNA with GMO NuclearDem Jan 2015 #21

Yes, let the 'smart' people tell them what to do. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30

Sorry, science isn't democratic. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #37

Fucking science. Always telling us what is instead of what we want to be. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #41

so what? are you recommending we replace what's left of democracy with the dictat of the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #53

No, I'm saying people don't get to vote on what reality is and isn't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #54

a lot of those same people don't know much about vitamins and minerals either, but we have food ND-Dem Jan 2015 #56

As opposed to giving equal weight to informed and uninformed opinion? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #97

so said those who took the vote from blacks in the south. "They're too stupid and uniformed to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98

January 15, 2015: "Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #42

Tyrone Hayes + Penelope Jagessar Chaffer: "The Toxic Baby" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #44

+1000. Thanks for posting this! nt adirondacker Jan 2015 #55

Oh no, he can't be a scientist. He disagrees with the prevailing "wisdom" and all the "scientists" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #57

they should label stuff that doesn't contain DNA, like Hot Pockets foo_bar Jan 2015 #2

I swear you can actually hear hifiguy Jan 2015 #3

Link to the study jeff47 Jan 2015 #6

hell, people in this country, if polled, ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #8

Not if you called it water. But of course, if the intent is to "prove" that most people are stupid, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

that is what was done in the article... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #88

i don't know many 8 year olds who know what dihydrogen monoxide is. I'd guess we live in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89

once considered science... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #90

what i feel sorry for is people who'd have the public believe that questions of public policy are ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91

Sorry. You lost me... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #99

ok. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

I have only one thing to show AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #11

Wow, that is really disturbing. Avalux Jan 2015 #15

"don�t realize that it is contained in almost all food" Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #17

salt Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #18

OK, you got me. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #19

I live for the Curmudgeoness 'gotcha'! Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #20

koolaid ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31

I think that I will end up being grossed out Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #38

Water Major Nikon Jan 2015 #65

You can stop now. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #75

Pedantic mode on!! jeff47 Jan 2015 #82

True, but if you want to get into ppb, you can say that about practically everything Major Nikon Jan 2015 #84

Clumsily phrased but I think folks want to know if their pears are spliced with spiders TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #22

Because "this contains GMOs" doesn't actually tell you much. jeff47 Jan 2015 #33

It already was long before GMO ever came around Major Nikon Jan 2015 #78

I'm sure a roach and a banana have common marker too but it doesn't follow that I want TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #102

Actually given your 'logic' it does follow Major Nikon Jan 2015 #103

How many would support labeling posts by Monsanto shills? DLnyc Jan 2015 #25

I think they label themselves. ret5hd Jan 2015 #36

Speaking of Monsanto shills... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #101

I think it is time to start producing our own produce and farm products Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #26

they link to the source and the source makes no mention of the DNA question GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #28

Gee, could it be a lie? Perish the thought. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #32

Try reading page 4. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #35

Yes, it does Recursion Jan 2015 #47

30% of the US still supports GWB Ramses Jan 2015 #43

Ban hydric acid! (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #46

Reminds me of the prank that pops up every now and then Revanchist Jan 2015 #49

Can we label the people who supported this? DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #52

Labels are needed more than ever polynomial Jan 2015 #93

Good point Major Nikon Jan 2015 #104