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In reply to the discussion: Over 80 percent of Americans support "mandatory labels on foods containing DNA" [View all]Major Nikon
(36,927 posts)94. Sure, everyone who disagrees with Greenpeace is a "shill for business interests"
Along with other environmentalists who have changed their mind over GMOs, you can include in your list of "shill[s] for business interests one of the co-founders of Greenpeace.
So yeah, I've heard that one before and I just don't find it that effective of an argument. YMMV.
You didn't bother to source where you came up with the ad hominem attack against Lomborg. I'm pretty sure you got it from Wiki because it's word for word there, and it's probably also a safe bet that the reason you didn't source it was because directly underneath it you'll find this little jewel:
Response of the scientific community[edit]
The original DCSD decision about Lomborg provoked a petition[10] among Danish academics. 308 scientists, many of them from the social sciences, criticised the DCSD's methods in the case and called for the DCSD to be disbanded.[11] The Danish Minister of Science, Technology, and Innovation then asked the Danish Research Agency (DRA) to form an independent working group to review DCSD practices.[12] In response to this, another group of Danish scientists collected over 600 signatures, primarily from the medical and natural sciences community, to support the continued existence of the DCSD and presented their petition to the DRA.[11]
The original DCSD decision about Lomborg provoked a petition[10] among Danish academics. 308 scientists, many of them from the social sciences, criticised the DCSD's methods in the case and called for the DCSD to be disbanded.[11] The Danish Minister of Science, Technology, and Innovation then asked the Danish Research Agency (DRA) to form an independent working group to review DCSD practices.[12] In response to this, another group of Danish scientists collected over 600 signatures, primarily from the medical and natural sciences community, to support the continued existence of the DCSD and presented their petition to the DRA.[11]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B8rn_Lomborg
So yeah, great sources.
Interestingly the best rhetort you could come up with to challenge those figures was from a study that only considered one very small country with a relatively well established infrastructure and even if you run with those figures for the entire rest of the undeveloped world (which would be ridiculous), you still come up with a cost that is far more expensive than Golden Rice.
Another reality you simply ignore is that fortification doesn't work for countries that use little or none of those staples. For instance, sugar is a luxury product for most of the undeveloped world and is out of the reach of vast poor populations. From your own reference, fortification (if it were even practical for everyone and it ain't) would only reduce the vitamin A deficiency by 30%, compared to 60% for Golden Rice. Rice is routinely consumed by over half of the world's population.
So your "cheaper" and "better" argument seems to be falling flat even if you go with your own air-tight sources.
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Over 80 percent of Americans support "mandatory labels on foods containing DNA" [View all]
alp227
Jan 2015
OP
I am going to go out on a limb and assume that this is seen as a great reason to not label
djean111
Jan 2015
#1
Obviously not all illnesses are either acute or fatal + chronic diseases are exploding in the US.
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#59
www.FoodDemocracyNow.org:"Dan Quayle & Michael Taylor's Nightmare Lives On - 20 years of GMO Policy"
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#72
If the choices you are advocating are either NO GMO labeling or SOME GMO labeling,
djean111
Jan 2015
#7
Thanks for that, I will wash the fruit more thoroughly. You have been very helpful.
djean111
Jan 2015
#40
"It's had a gene inserted that causes it to produce vitamin A, a common malnutrition problem"
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#13
of course we do. We're one of the reasons some people in other countries don't eat a varied diet.
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#29
Did you miss the part about how Golden Rice wasn't developed by any corporation?
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#66
First, I never claimed it was "developed by a corporation". I said "the corporate solution is..."
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#67
So since Bill Gates funds Golden Rice research, he must want to make money off the 3rd world
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#70
out of all that, you pulled out gates? There's a web of interests involved, and not charging
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#71
Believe it or not you can send them a check and your name will be added to the list
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#76
if i send them a very BIG check, sure. but i'm not a 1%er, so i can't. wouldn't want to anyway.
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#77
You claimed it was a "corporate solution" which is an assertion you have yet to support
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#79
I already responded to you about the "corporate solution". The technology is donated just
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#80
By faster and cheaper options, i'm referring to the use of fortified oils, fortified sugar, and
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#83
1) I said nothing about how much rice you'd have to eat to get some effect. I noted, however,
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#86
Sure, everyone who disagrees with Greenpeace is a "shill for business interests"
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#94
Not sourcing it was my oversight. my apologies. Lombord is still a political scientist, not an
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#95
'The Black Swan' author Nassim Nicholas Taleb & team prove risks of GMOs are severely underestimated
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#48
Practically no farmer has ever grown any foodstuff for any reason except profit.
goldent
Jan 2015
#10
so what? are you recommending we replace what's left of democracy with the dictat of the
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#53
a lot of those same people don't know much about vitamins and minerals either, but we have food
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#56
As opposed to giving equal weight to informed and uninformed opinion? N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#97
so said those who took the vote from blacks in the south. "They're too stupid and uniformed to
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#98
January 15, 2015: "Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs"
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2015
#42
Oh no, he can't be a scientist. He disagrees with the prevailing "wisdom" and all the "scientists"
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#57
Not if you called it water. But of course, if the intent is to "prove" that most people are stupid,
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#87
i don't know many 8 year olds who know what dihydrogen monoxide is. I'd guess we live in
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#89
what i feel sorry for is people who'd have the public believe that questions of public policy are
ND-Dem
Jan 2015
#91
True, but if you want to get into ppb, you can say that about practically everything
Major Nikon
Jan 2015
#84
Clumsily phrased but I think folks want to know if their pears are spliced with spiders
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#22
I'm sure a roach and a banana have common marker too but it doesn't follow that I want
TheKentuckian
Jan 2015
#102