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95. Not sourcing it was my oversight. my apologies. Lombord is still a political scientist, not an

Mon Jan 19, 2015, 05:33 PM

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actual scientist, and a well-known shill for corporate interests.

Interestingly, the only cost figures you gave come from lomborg; I didn't notice that he sourced his claims, nor did you.

the scientific papers (not political science papers) I cited give sources. I copied the abstracts.

don't like those? there are plenty more.

Even the folks paying for the development of golden rice, (the Rockefeller fund) quote much lower figures than 60%.

It doesn't matter how much of the world's population eats rice; it matters how much of the rice-eating population is VA deficient. And most of it isn't. Africa is the area with the highest % of VA deficiency. Depending on the area, there are plenty of naturally high VA foods that would be equally, or more culturally appropriate. And they wouldn't have to be genetically engineered either.

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Over 80 percent of Americans support "mandatory labels on foods containing DNA" [View all] alp227 Jan 2015 OP

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that this is seen as a great reason to not label djean111 Jan 2015 #1

Hydronium Hydroxide is sometimes added to processed foods Major Nikon Jan 2015 #4

It routinely causes asphyxiation jberryhill Jan 2015 #27

Believe it or not there's a group opposing a ban Major Nikon Jan 2015 #39

More here on the general issue of safety of food additives. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #45

Makes you wonder where they are hiding all the bodies Major Nikon Jan 2015 #50

Obviously not all illnesses are either acute or fatal + chronic diseases are exploding in the US. proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #59

... Major Nikon Jan 2015 #61

www.FoodDemocracyNow.org:"Dan Quayle & Michael Taylor's Nightmare Lives On - 20 years of GMO Policy" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #72

Which GMOs? jeff47 Jan 2015 #5

If the choices you are advocating are either NO GMO labeling or SOME GMO labeling, djean111 Jan 2015 #7

You do buy things with corn products in it. jeff47 Jan 2015 #9

Actually no, I do not. djean111 Jan 2015 #12

So you never eat fruit, huh? jeff47 Jan 2015 #24

Thanks for that, I will wash the fruit more thoroughly. You have been very helpful. djean111 Jan 2015 #40

"It's had a gene inserted that causes it to produce vitamin A, a common malnutrition problem" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #13

Yes, let's invade and bring them civilization. How'd that work last time? jeff47 Jan 2015 #23

of course we do. We're one of the reasons some people in other countries don't eat a varied diet. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29

Golden rice breeds with itself. You only need to give it to them once. jeff47 Jan 2015 #34

ironic. stop doing shit like this: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #51

That's using force, and didn't get anyone out of poverty jeff47 Jan 2015 #58

You must have missed my point: it's a major part of why they're *in* poverty. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #62

No, I understand your point. You're dodging the question. jeff47 Jan 2015 #63

Quit raping them. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #68

And that eliminates poverty by............? jeff47 Jan 2015 #73

here. i wrote this for your codiscussant, but it will do for you too. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #69

No, you said we shouldn't have made things worse in the past. jeff47 Jan 2015 #74

Did you miss the part about how Golden Rice wasn't developed by any corporation? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #66

First, I never claimed it was "developed by a corporation". I said "the corporate solution is..." ND-Dem Jan 2015 #67

So since Bill Gates funds Golden Rice research, he must want to make money off the 3rd world Major Nikon Jan 2015 #70

out of all that, you pulled out gates? There's a web of interests involved, and not charging ND-Dem Jan 2015 #71

Believe it or not you can send them a check and your name will be added to the list Major Nikon Jan 2015 #76

if i send them a very BIG check, sure. but i'm not a 1%er, so i can't. wouldn't want to anyway. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #77

You claimed it was a "corporate solution" which is an assertion you have yet to support Major Nikon Jan 2015 #79

I already responded to you about the "corporate solution". The technology is donated just ND-Dem Jan 2015 #80

I'm not convinced ending world poverty is a "faster" and "cheaper" option Major Nikon Jan 2015 #81

By faster and cheaper options, i'm referring to the use of fortified oils, fortified sugar, and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #83

All of those options are far more expensive, and it's not even close Major Nikon Jan 2015 #85

1) I said nothing about how much rice you'd have to eat to get some effect. I noted, however, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #86

Oh & PS: Bjorn Lomborg is a *political* scientist, not a science scientist. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

Sure, everyone who disagrees with Greenpeace is a "shill for business interests" Major Nikon Jan 2015 #94

Not sourcing it was my oversight. my apologies. Lombord is still a political scientist, not an ND-Dem Jan 2015 #95

"well known" by whom? Major Nikon Jan 2015 #96

'The Black Swan' author Nassim Nicholas Taleb & team prove risks of GMOs are severely underestimated proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #48

I can write a book saying anything I like. jeff47 Jan 2015 #60

Certainly they proved it to themselves Major Nikon Jan 2015 #64

Practically no farmer has ever grown any foodstuff for any reason except profit. goldent Jan 2015 #10

I'm fairly sure that most people who answered the poll were thinking of GMOs. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #14

Well the people want labels on food w/DNA in it obviously... (nt) LostOne4Ever Jan 2015 #16

If people are scientifically illiterate enough to confuse DNA with GMO NuclearDem Jan 2015 #21

Yes, let the 'smart' people tell them what to do. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #30

Sorry, science isn't democratic. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #37

Fucking science. Always telling us what is instead of what we want to be. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #41

so what? are you recommending we replace what's left of democracy with the dictat of the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #53

No, I'm saying people don't get to vote on what reality is and isn't. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #54

a lot of those same people don't know much about vitamins and minerals either, but we have food ND-Dem Jan 2015 #56

As opposed to giving equal weight to informed and uninformed opinion? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #97

so said those who took the vote from blacks in the south. "They're too stupid and uniformed to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98

January 15, 2015: "Tyrone Hayes on crooked science and why we should shun GMOs" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #42

Tyrone Hayes + Penelope Jagessar Chaffer: "The Toxic Baby" proverbialwisdom Jan 2015 #44

+1000. Thanks for posting this! nt adirondacker Jan 2015 #55

Oh no, he can't be a scientist. He disagrees with the prevailing "wisdom" and all the "scientists" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #57

they should label stuff that doesn't contain DNA, like Hot Pockets foo_bar Jan 2015 #2

I swear you can actually hear hifiguy Jan 2015 #3

Link to the study jeff47 Jan 2015 #6

hell, people in this country, if polled, ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #8

Not if you called it water. But of course, if the intent is to "prove" that most people are stupid, ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

that is what was done in the article... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #88

i don't know many 8 year olds who know what dihydrogen monoxide is. I'd guess we live in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #89

once considered science... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #90

what i feel sorry for is people who'd have the public believe that questions of public policy are ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91

Sorry. You lost me... ProdigalJunkMail Jan 2015 #99

ok. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

I have only one thing to show AZ Progressive Jan 2015 #11

Wow, that is really disturbing. Avalux Jan 2015 #15

"don�t realize that it is contained in almost all food" Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #17

salt Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #18

OK, you got me. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #19

I live for the Curmudgeoness 'gotcha'! Rainforestgoddess Jan 2015 #20

koolaid ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31

I think that I will end up being grossed out Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #38

Water Major Nikon Jan 2015 #65

You can stop now. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #75

Pedantic mode on!! jeff47 Jan 2015 #82

True, but if you want to get into ppb, you can say that about practically everything Major Nikon Jan 2015 #84

Clumsily phrased but I think folks want to know if their pears are spliced with spiders TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #22

Because "this contains GMOs" doesn't actually tell you much. jeff47 Jan 2015 #33

It already was long before GMO ever came around Major Nikon Jan 2015 #78

I'm sure a roach and a banana have common marker too but it doesn't follow that I want TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #102

Actually given your 'logic' it does follow Major Nikon Jan 2015 #103

How many would support labeling posts by Monsanto shills? DLnyc Jan 2015 #25

I think they label themselves. ret5hd Jan 2015 #36

Speaking of Monsanto shills... Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #101

I think it is time to start producing our own produce and farm products Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #26

they link to the source and the source makes no mention of the DNA question GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #28

Gee, could it be a lie? Perish the thought. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #32

Try reading page 4. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #35

Yes, it does Recursion Jan 2015 #47

30% of the US still supports GWB Ramses Jan 2015 #43

Ban hydric acid! (nt) Recursion Jan 2015 #46

Reminds me of the prank that pops up every now and then Revanchist Jan 2015 #49

Can we label the people who supported this? DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #52

Labels are needed more than ever polynomial Jan 2015 #93

Good point Major Nikon Jan 2015 #104